SETI Waste of Time & Money

Here it an interesting video






[edit on 6-1-2009 by SLAYER69]

I like something that Stanton Friedman says; "SETI = Silly Effort To Investigate".



Here's Stan's Challenge to SETI Specialists;

The basic rules for the lack of attention to the relevant data by well educated, but ignorant-about-UFOs-professionals, especially SS, seem to be:

1. Don't bother me with the facts, my mind is made up.

2. What the public doesn't know, I won't tell them.

3. If one can't attack the data, attack the people; it is much easier.

4. Do one's research by proclamation. Investigation is too much trouble and nobody will know the difference anyway.

www.stantonfriedman.com...

Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence

First we need to find Terrestrial Intelligence. Any thing out there is not going to want anything to do with a messed up place like Earth. If I had a way off this rock I would leave tonight. Any one know where I can buy a used flying sourcer?

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I think Seth Shortstack is nothing more than a higly paid shill for the government to cover-up the truth.

Obviously, if he and the other scientists aren't finding any "signals" then the "aliens" must not exist.

I caught him on LK live and he was so biased towards the other guests that said the UFO's were a real phenomena, it was really so apparent that he does
work to debunk any UFO sighting.

Seth full of $#!+ Shostek is what I call him.

I'd also like to point out that SETI isn't just searching for ET's anymore. They are processing "Astropulse" WU's also now, which is outside of the strictly ET scope. There are other things they can and will do with that telescope.

Radio detection and transmission to the stars and whatever is a big scam
perpetrated by Tesla since 1901.

Publications in 1901 1907 1909 1919 1921 and 1937 I just look at
this morning push this endeavor.

So he can get more funding from suckers to make more coils.
Which is not a bad idea if there were alternate and occult reasons
as a black project to fund a flying machine.

Thats why I think any radio effort for space communication
is a cover for construction of secret craft.

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My theory is - Even though I don't think we have been visited by aliens, that does not mean they are not out there. If SETI was not successful in detecting alien signals, they would have wasted 40ish years of funding. All that time and energy would have gone into a wasted experiment.

If you possibly heard them once, www.seti.org... , what are your chances of hearing them again? Or, did they even hear from an alien species in the first place? Who knows.

Great quote from the page:

So was the Wow signal our first detection of extraterrestrials? It might have been, but no scientist would make such a claim. Scientific experiment is inherently, and rightly, skeptical. This isnt just a sour attitude; its the only way to avoid routinely fooling yourself. So until and unless the cosmic beep measured in Ohio is found again, the Wow signal will remain a What signal.

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the SETI program...is at least a fumbling Start

i expect that other Intelligences would have long ago been able to
"send-signals" which would Alert the 'proper' civilizations.

Do your think Quasars & the milli-second bursts of energy are Naturally Occuring....
NO - i suggest these events are 'Beacons' to space faring civilizations...
a huge step up from mere (SETI) radio-wave Morse-Code technology !!

I wouldnt call SETI a waste of time and money, I think there are better and more useful distributed computing projects today, like proteins@home or einstein@home, but its not very expensive, so I dont see any reason to completely abandon it. Even negative result is a result. Keep trying!

Originally posted by ANoNyMiKE
Listening for radio signals from an advanced alien race makes about as much sense as listening for telegraph beeps

Radio waves can be produced by a number of different devices, methodologies and processes. If we have developed thousands of different ways and devices that produce radio waves, what might have a more technologically advanced civilization developed?

The name trips up a lot of people because instinctively think of AM/FM radio, but in reality radio waves are one of the biggest parts of the electromagnetic spectrum. The reason we listen to radio waves in particular for the most part as opposed to microwave, infrared, x-ray or gamma is because due to the extremely large amplitude of radio waves (they're the size of buildings, cars and people opposed to atoms and nuclei like X-ray and Gamma waves) compared to others in the electromagnetic spectrum they are able to travel much further into space with less broadcasting power.

Good Morning

Is SETI a waste of time? Yes and No. Yes it is a complete waste of time to believe that we are actually contributing to the real search for ET life by keeping SETI alive. But no it is not a waste of time for groups that would use the technology against the very people supporting it.

Much like the deafening silence we hear from NASA about any finds that might jeopardize the stranglehold that religion and the government have on information, SETI would not present any information to us if or when they found it.

If after all of this time, with hundreds and hundreds of credible witnesses of potential ET visitations, neither NASA nor SETI can find anything, it would be a good opportunity to either disband both or to completely replace the administration of both organizations. The level of incompetence is staggering when you consider the gross mismanagement of the voluntary resources supplied, and the complete lack of results.

Just sayin
..Ex

I agree - waste of resources...

Do Aliens have eyes to watch a TV Signal? Do Aliens have ears to hear Radio Transmission? Blast a radio signal at an ant hill - do the ants pick up the noise? put an ant infront of the television, are they seeing what we are transmitting? My point is that life might not be uncommon in our universe; but humankind might be unique.

You know, a great way of getting their attention might be to start sending Nukes out in space and detonating them, lets blast a few of Jupitar's Moons - not only would that be a fun light show, but a great way to test our wepons and not harm any humans.....also, Aliens might be looking at our solar system for faint explosions - maybe they have equipment that can monitor anything nuke like.....hummm. I wanna be the one to push that button!

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In this case we would be the Ant hill.
As far as popping off nukes in space? Compared to what has happened in space naturally our nukes are but firecrackers in comparison.

I doubt they would attract much attention.

I don't run the Seti app for about 5 years now. It's a REAL waste of time and money because ET life is FAR more intelligent than us, and never would use such a primal way to communicate.

They are already here.

HEY MAN

I saw a video by some great scientist .. I forgot his name ...

he talks about SETI and how it is impossible to find since aliens wouldnt use just like one channel to communicate ... I forgot his name but he is the most known in the us I think ... his parents are frm japan I think but he is american

I am a bit surprised Slayer. I thought you'd be all for useless tech .

Kidding aside, yeah I agree with you. It would not be as bad if we had some sort of medium in space to grab signals and send them pack to us a much higher speed than they would if left alone.

But your idea is valid. By the time we receive stuff it's decades old and any civilization who travels the cosmos would most likely be nomadic in some sense, sending random signals wherever they are at the time, so even if we did receive one, could decipher it and figure out a way to communicate back, they would be long gone.

Also, considering how traveling at the speed of light would affect time on some level, that would also pose a problem.

~Keeper

Giving this thread a small bump.

As much as I respect SETI's noble aims, I believe it is time to call it quits, shut down and use the funds for more meaningful purpose.

To continue claiming that they are there to search for life in the universe, while teeming lifeforms are already visitng Earth based on overwhelming evidences by credible eyewitnesses, is a slap in the face to decent people funding this project.

Stop this travesty of science please.

( Unless SETI is serving another purpose, but still, the people have a right to know. If not the people, at least the senate sub-committee on Intelligence to ensure taxpayers monies are not wasted and decent people not mocked!)

Well slayer, it's like this. If we don't look, we wont find it. We haven't been listening all that long and remember that the length of time we listen here on earth is directly proportional to the area we are looking at in space.

It is entirely possible that we are the most advance species within 100 light years at the present time. It's also possible that others may have moved on from our corner of space eons ago. We just don't know.

It's not a waste of time.

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ok let me ask this...

Is it possible that what some scientist agree that most if not all the radio signals we have picked up from space can be explained away as natural "Background" noise is it possible that some of those are actually artificial signals that we have mistakenly identified as "Natural"?