Hacker Wins Extradition Delay

this guy was not even a proper hacker! he just exploatated the computers where the default Windows password was never changed. The problem comes with the very VERY low IT security awarness of the americans.Lucky them he was just interested in UFOs! but to apply 70 years penalty I guess is scare-tactics against wannabe-hackers so they want to make sure the world will not find out how stupid they are! Shame!

[edit on 12-8-2008 by sty]

Originally posted by Essan

Originally posted by IMAdamnALIEN
reply to post by UFOpsychiczebra

What if he'd hacked into your computer because he thought you had data which in his opinion should be in the public domain?

Would you agree that he, and anyone else, who accesses your computer should be allowed to do so?

What if I am convinced that you have proof of aliens on your computer? Do you mind if I hack it tomorrow to find out?

I don't agree with his extradition mind and am pleased to hear of this 'stay of excecution'

If what McKinnon did was somehow break through layers of proper security it would be a different matter. This case is somewhat like amazon.com leaving users' credit card information available to those just visiting the site. Who would get the most blame in that case? Viewing practically unprotected photos is certainly less destructive-- real aliens or not.

One has to wonder what else is left unprotected that could truely be damaging if it got out-- like certain weapons tech falling into the wrong hands. Security through brute-force prosecution doesn't cut it. It is the government that should be learning a lesson and not some dude that peeped at what was basically handed to him on a silver platter.

What's the deal? They're going to start leaving everything minimally protected and if you peep at it they throw you in prison? Is that cheaper or something?

[edit on 8/12/2008 by EnlightenUp]

Originally posted by UFOpsychiczebra

Originally posted by IMAdamnALIEN
reply to post by UFOpsychiczebra

 

You do know that most laws are based on morals right?

Thou shalt not murder, yeah, thats a good law to make!

You are missing my point.....I think im done explaining myself......

Sorry man....

[edit on 12-8-2008 by IMAdamnALIEN]

You posted this thread as you thought it would lead to dozens of posts saying how right you are! lol.

It may surprise you to find that not everyone thinks Gary is a saint.

nobody said he was.

In fact he was acting human. He wanted answers. The secrets, were in this case wanted to be outted to the public. He didnt even access them. He didn't hack them. He admitted trying to. He did nothing wrong in a moral sense. He does not deserve 70 years for this

I mean let's get FRICKIN real here.

On a side note, who said that we the people are not allowed to find out about secret ufo files. Why can't we, since we are people like the people who keep secrets from us. Gary is as close as a saint as anyone can get!

Peace out

reply to post by mind is the universe


That member is still posting here?

LOL

I put him on the ignore list LOL

Made the right decision looks like

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The crime here is the PTB lying to the public about ET's and free energy technology! This man exposed the cover-up and now he's in trouble?? I say screw the law in this case, because the real perps are keeping the world running on black gold and waging wars because of it.

They are who belong behind bars IMHO.

I really hope he doesn't get punished for this-I think he's very brave.

what do you mean "wins"

he hacked into the US military!

We wont let that go away unpunished and neither will Heros like McCain. We cant just have foreigners breaking into our systems. USA is the most powerful country on the planet nobody messes with us or can stop us from getting what we want. Let alone some 42 year old with no job. when he went into that database he violated every american and every citizen of earth since we protect the world form all enemies foreign and domestic. My brother served in the military and he swore an oath to stop people like that guy. I hope this person can get into custody quick because if any person sees them it would be a bad day for him since hes risking the security of the USA and all of our allies.

Originally posted by ufo reality
It's true. He didn't "hack" into anything. There was no security and no password he had to enter. So he's going to jail for stumbling upon UFO/ET information. What a crock of sh*t!

Err no sorry it doesn't work that way. speaking as someone who worked for years in IT security i can tell you the law quite easily. It's like this, say you left your front door open and someone walked in, would that still be trespassing? Yes it damn well would. Also this is a bit of a bad example because the door wasn't truly open, from what he's said there was a password prompt screen, guessing that password doesn't mean you have authorised access.

He broke the law, and whilst the "hack" as the media ignorantly call it wasn't exactly difficult, it was still breaking the law to access systems which were not his without permission of the owner.

Note he didn't "stumble" upon the systems, he went out of his way to find them, wrote a small piece of code to try empty passwords and report them to him. That isn't stumbling upon things.

Originally posted by mind is the universe
In fact he was acting human. He wanted answers. The secrets, were in this case wanted to be outted to the public. He didnt even access them. He didn't hack them. He admitted trying to. He did nothing wrong in a moral sense. He does not deserve 70 years for this

I mean let's get FRICKIN real here.

On a side note, who said that we the people are not allowed to find out about secret ufo files. Why can't we, since we are people like the people who keep secrets from us. Gary is as close as a saint as anyone can get!

Peace out

So what about other systems? What if i am curious about a companies private financial information? What if i'm interested in their development of a secret printing technology that will revolutionise the world and make them a lot of money? Should i be allowed to get that information if they have blank passwords? No i shouldn't because they spent money developing it.

Whilst i think any information regarding free energy and ufo's should be made public, illegally accessing that information will and should result in prosecution. I admit however that 70 years is a little rediculous.

[edit on 13-8-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]

The man broke into sensitive information of the US gov't! Just because you say he was a hero for revealing info on ETs/space warships doesn't mean that he gets a free pass. If I hacked your computer and revealed to people your social security number and personal info and said that I did it because the 'public has a right to know', i should get out of being put on trial.


You said that 'some people you cannot convince'. Some of your comments have made y'all sound pretty closed minded. Just my interpretation.

Originally posted by IMAdamnALIEN

This man DID NOTHING WRONG!

Anyone informed with the story would know this!

This is the only break this poor man has gotten. What a shame. Gary doesn't deserve 70 years in jail for trying to discover the truth through open doors.

He didn't even hack anything. Let him GO!!!!!


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[edit on 8/12/08 by niteboy82]

Wow, just wow. To say that he did nothing wrong and to say he doesent deserve 70 years areworlds apart. He totally admitted that he did wrong, I simply cant imagine how you think he didn't. I watched him confess to hacking NASA. That's definately wrong.

If you feel the information should be public fight it. However don't endorse hacking, because by your logic it would be acceptable for me to search your hard drive if I believe you are harboring information that I feel should be public.

Originally posted by jprophet420
If you feel the information should be public fight it. However don't endorse hacking, because by your logic it would be acceptable for me to search your hard drive if I believe you are harboring information that I feel should be public.

Just to say, not all hackers are bad people, some hackers work for companies that are paid to test systems you know. So you can happily endorse hacking, just legal hacking.

He should get a handslap..... the penalty should be equal to the crime. I do not see anything in the publically available documents (which isn't much) to indicate that he did "damage" to anything in his bumbling around NASA networks. He should be fined and have to do some community service for a couple years and not have access to a PC or the internet for the duration of his probation.

70 years is excessive; and to me as a citizen of the USA it is border-line unconstitutional and violates the "cruel and unusual punishement" clause of the 7th amendment of our MOST cherished document:

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

SOURCE

-Euclid

Originally posted by UFOpsychiczebra

Originally posted by IMAdamnALIEN
reply to post by UFOpsychiczebra

 

Your talking lawfully wrong, I am talking morally wrong!

He has done nothing morally wrong at all.

You cannot justify NOT sending him to prison because you think he was morally right in his crime. Prison is for those who break the law, not morals. Therefore you must agree that if he has broken the law he should go to prison?

You obviously know he has broken the law, agreed that he has and therefore SHOULD go to prison?

[edit on 13-8-2008 by euclid]

[edit on 13-8-2008 by euclid]

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


however all hackers are breaking the law. Security experts are a nice asset to have, agreed. theres a big difference.

reply to post by jprophet420


No hang on no sorry, if a corporation pays a persont o break into their system then they are a hacker but not breaking the law.

Here is a thought: If something is protected, then all possible measures are taken to INFORM people of its security status. Many people find the fact that they are presented with a password as their warning not to proceed.

What told Gary he wasn't supposed to be there?

Originally posted by Kryties
Here is a thought: If something is protected, then all possible measures are taken to INFORM people of its security status. Many people find the fact that they are presented with a password as their warning not to proceed.

What told Gary he wasn't supposed to be there?

A password prompt screen or something similar would have popped up as he was entering blank passwords. Therefore the system was showing itself to be secured and private (although badly secured). That should have been his signpost to go away, choosing to proceed is what makes him a criminal in regards to the law.

What told Gary he wasn't supposed to be there?

The fact that he wrote a perl script with the intent of hacking NASA's private network pretty much is a dead giveaway.

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OK, so the guy gets access to some classified UFO reports. So bloody what? The British don't seem all that concerned, ie they just gave him a waver from extradition while he builds his case. Its only the US that seem concerned, concerned enough to concoct outrageous damage claims just so they could get him on their own soil regardless of the crime.

The fact that the US is so vehement in its approach, combined with the knowledge of how the treat people in places like Guantanemo, is what is reviling me about the possibility of him being judged by the US. In this case the crime DOES NOT fit the punishment, regardless of what all the lawmakers would like to think.

the only thing that would worry me if i was him was having to face trial in the US, yikes!!! the PTB won't go to this much trouble to get their hands on him and then try him fairly, hes in trubble.

they probably wouldn't bother to prosecute him at all in the UK, if the files were not worth proper protection, they're not worth all that fuss, but someone in the US wants the guy badly, i wonder why?

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by jprophet420

 

OK, so the guy gets access to some classified UFO reports. So bloody what? The British don't seem all that concerned, ie they just gave him a waver from extradition while he builds his case. Its only the US that seem concerned, concerned enough to concoct outrageous damage claims just so they could get him on their own soil regardless of the crime.

Lets be clear, the reason they're doing htis is more out of embarrassment and wanting to turn off anyone who would think of doing the same. Their inflated costs aren't that inflated, whlst the hardware isn't that valuable the time it'll take for engineers to go around and secure everything (as it should have been done in the first place) is where the cost is.

I'm in full agreement that 70 years is a rediculous sentence, when you consider Kevin Mitnick actually did damage, stole secrets and ran up massive phone bills under someone elses name and got a far lesser sentence.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
I'm in full agreement that 70 years is a rediculous sentence, when you consider Kevin Mitnick actually did damage, stole secrets and ran up massive phone bills under someone elses name and got a far lesser sentence.

Reminds me of what Kevin Mitnick said to the guy who caught him in the movie. At the end, when Kevin is in jail and his captor comes to see him he asks "Why am I in here, and not you?"

Sort of like "Let he has not sinned cast the first stone".