Hacker Wins Extradition Delay

Originally posted by UFOpsychiczebra


What is unbelievable is that you think that if a criminal commits a crime easily that they should be let off with it.

Depends on the crime. Look at the evidence: he accessed (not hacked as the only networks he entered had NO password on them at all) the computer files. Fair enough that's a bad thing in terms of privacy but it most certainly does not warrant a 70 year jail term.

You may say that the information he accessed was of Top Security and therefore the crime befits the punishment. Well I answer again with the fact that if the files were so heavily secret and of vital importance why were they not protected at all?

The US had to concoct 'damage' to even get an extradition order on him. They know if they were to try without that concocted evidence, that the British wouldn't find enough evidence to convict him and let him walk free, with Top Secret knowledge in his head.

reply to post by Kryties


My thoughts exactly

Don't worry about that member. Let him think what he wants......

Some people you cannot convince....

If I were him I would be border jumping right now. I'd get in my car and just keep driving, and I'd live under an alias for the rest of my life.

No chance in hell I'd spend 70 years in an American prison, not with rapists/murderers/and other violent criminals.

Originally posted by IMAdamnALIEN

Where did you get that information?

Interesting, very interesting........

He mentions it in this interview (its rather long but very interesting)...

Google Video Link

Originally posted by IMAdamnALIEN
reply to post by UFOpsychiczebra

 

Yet again, your examples don't have anything to do with this story!

Someone hacking into my bank account should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Someone walking through an open door and witnessing a cover up is something completely different. I think you may want to read a more in depth article on Gary, as you might change your mind.

My examples were relevant and speak for themselves. You yourself replied using my example as an example for your argument! lol.

I know all about Gary's story. He did NOT walk through an open door. He has admitted unauthorised access to computers that are not his to access. Why do you fail to understand that legal fact? Gary also says that he got caught by making stupid mistakes, HE OBVIOUSLY KNEW HE WAS COMMITTING A CRIMINAL ACT, that is why he didn’t want to get caught!!!!!!!! He did not just stumble into someone else’s computer files.

Also, whether there is a 'cover up' or not is irrelevant. And the so called 'cover up' is not proven anyway.

I understand why you have sympathy with Gary but you wrong to say he should not go to prison for committing a crime.

reply to post by Kryties


Thanks for that.

Watching now.....

Originally posted by IMAdamnALIEN
reply to post by UFOpsychiczebra

 

You do know that most laws are based on morals right?

Thou shalt not murder, yeah, thats a good law to make!

You are missing my point.....I think im done explaining myself......

Sorry man....

[edit on 12-8-2008 by IMAdamnALIEN]

You posted this thread as you thought it would lead to dozens of posts saying how right you are! lol.

It may surprise you to find that not everyone thinks Gary is a saint.

reply to post by Kryties


It seems the video doesnt work, even the link on the bottom

Could you please provide a direct link to the video, sometimes embedding the video is glitchy.....

Thanks for your time

Originally posted by UFOpsychiczebra

I know all about Gary's story. He did NOT walk through an open door. He has admitted unauthorised access to computers that are not his to access.

Its really simple. Password = Lock. No Password = Open door.

reply to post by IMAdamnALIEN



Try this link mate: www.projectcamelot.org...

I just tried it again and it worked, although it may already be stored in cache on my pc.

Originally posted by IMAdamnALIEN
reply to post by Kryties

 

My thoughts exactly

Don't worry about that member. Let him think what he wants......

Some people you cannot convince....

Oh, so I'm 'That Member' now. How good of you to allow me to think what I like, as long as I don't make you uncomfortable with minor details like the facts. .

You should have said this was Gary's fan club and I wouldn’t have posted, but for some strange reason I assumed that on ATS fan club threads are not the norm, most ATS members are far more intellectually diverse for that.

Originally posted by Kryties

Originally posted by UFOpsychiczebra

I know all about Gary's story. He did NOT walk through an open door. He has admitted unauthorised access to computers that are not his to access.

Its really simple. Password = Lock. No Password = Open door.

Kryties, it is pointless you posting my reply to 'ALIEN' out of context and then you replying to it. It ends up like a game of Chinese whispers. I simply did not post what you are trying to imply.

Originally posted by Kryties
From what I understand the US couldn't place an extradition order on him unless the crime did more than 5,000 (dollars? euros? pounds?) worth of damage. So all of a sudden the US has found that he apparently damaged the computers.

I can't believe the US concocts such bollocks. And if it were a US citizen in the situation being wanted by the British the US would go ape-doodoo and protect its citizen.

They can conconct any cockamamie B.S. they want in order to show some magic 5,000 number similar to the way people pad resumees or dig up a receipt for every trip to the bathroom to tax deduct as a business expense.

A complete buffoon will believe computers could have been damaged in any substantial way by simly accessing files. The zeal to get this guy for accessing essentially unprotected data leads me to doubt any claim made by the government.

By this reasoning, simply going to the NASA homepage could be considered hacking into their site. Now, the one accessing the site has to determine if they're accessing something intended to be publicly accessed. McKinnon may have been aware in this case but getting a conviction on this one starts blurring the line between hacking and visiting.

reply to post by EnlightenUp


The most that he could have done in damage was maybe letting a piece of spyware through! LOL

I can just picture a NASA employee logging on to his computer the next day:

"Do you want to grow your ____ up to 3 inches?" HAHAHHAHAHAH

The most money that would cost would be a antivirus program.

They can multiply the cost of the program by the number of computers he accessed.

Such BS!!!!

Originally posted by Kryties

Originally posted by UFOpsychiczebra


What is unbelievable is that you think that if a criminal commits a crime easily that they should be let off with it.

Depends on the crime. Look at the evidence: he accessed ... it most certainly does not warrant a 70 year jail term.

You may say that the information he accessed was of Top Security and therefore the crime befits the punishment.

It does NOT depend on the crime as to whether or not a criminal should go to prison. It only depends on if they committed the crime. And Gary has ADMITTED UNAUTHORISED ACCESS. That is a fact.

Secondly, if you actually read my post, instead of just reading 'ALIEN’s' part, and out of context, quotes from my posts, you would see that I actually stated very clearly that Gary does not deserve 70 years in prison, that is excessive. So your 'befits the crime' remark is entirely surplus.

I'm off now, I have posted even points to the Gary fan club. lol. It is obvious where this thread is going and I have stated the facts and that is it. I have no interest in these games of forum Chinese whispers and circular arguments.

Hey, don’t forget to buy your 'Free Gary' t-shirt on the way out.

Originally posted by IMAdamnALIEN
reply to post by UFOpsychiczebra

 

Your talking lawfully wrong, I am talking morally wrong!

He has done nothing morally wrong at all. In fact what he was doing was just and should be commended! All I know, if he goes to jail for this, he will have some serious positive Karma for his heroic efforts!

Thanks for your reply!

What if he'd hacked into your computer because he thought you had data which in his opinion should be in the public domain?

Would you agree that he, and anyone else, who accesses your computer should be allowed to do so?

What if I am convinced that you have proof of aliens on your computer? Do you mind if I hack it tomorrow to find out?

I don't agree with his extradition mind and am pleased to hear of this 'stay of excecution'

Originally posted by Essan
What if I am convinced that you have proof of aliens on your computer? Do you mind if I hack it tomorrow to find out?

A citizen has rights to privacy.

The government is FOR THE PEOPLE and has no right to privacy, it should be transparent and accountable. If the government is concealing UFO/Alien informtation from the people, then it is no longer FOR THE PEOPLE. It is working against the people and should be exposed as the lying scum that it is.

Set Gary free. He's a crusader and he was trying to find the truth.

The claim that he caused any damage at all to any computers he had access to is a flat out lie. He simply accessed computers that were left unprotected, and viewed documents that should NOT have been left unprotected at all. If anyone is to blame here its nasa and those who left those computers open on a public network. They should've thanked him for exposing their vulnerabilities. Any so called hacker (which he wasn't) would not have harmed the data on the computers if they didn't want to be found out. But, despite him being a novice, he still did not delete or cause any sort of damage whatsoever to the computers he accessed.

While I'm all for the good guy clearly Gary is in the wrong. The access, whether hacked or via unsecured means, is still a violation of private property. I think those trying to sensationalize and vindicate Garys plight are very confused. That said I don't think 70 years is right either and I highly doubt he'll face that long of a term. Look at past big hacker cases, most only served a small sentence if any. You can dress this up anyway you please but as the old saying goes you can't polish a turd.

brill

reply to post by Essan


Again, more references to the mundane!

You're comparing the biggest cover up in human history to my personal data......

I fail to see the connection.......

People....If you are going to compare this event to anything, think a big larger than useless information gathered on personal computers.

We are talking about THE EXISTENCE OF INTELLIGENT LIFE BEYOND EARTH and you are comparing that to "what if he hacked you"..... makes no sense at all.....


Thanks for your reply!