Do you actually LIKE George Bush?

Oh YES, What a great man. I've never seen such a public figure that shows so mush distaste for his fellow man.....ever.

Originally posted by RRconservative
George Bush is probably the most hated President since......Abraham Lincoln.

Future historians will rank Bush highly.

Bush's popularity will rise after he leaves office. Mainly because of the mess McCain or Obama will create when they take office. We will be wishing we had a leader like Bush back in the White House.

I would say the most hated since Jimmy Carter.

As far as when he leaves office, It's my opinion that this is when we will all learn just how many questionable and conspiracy related things went on under his watch. I can see congressional investigations and litigation against many in his government including both the president and the vice president.

We did not have a free and open republic under this administration.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
The most important thing about Bush is that he came into office with an agenda that did not include the worst foreign attack on US soil in history. In the wake of that, he has charted a course that has set our enemies in full retreat, captured or killed their important leaders, and banished bin Laden to some rocky lair in the middle of nowhere, that is, if he is still alive.

I completely disagree his staff was full of supporters of the Project for the New American Century This group clearly wanted to use US military to enforce foreign policy especially in the Middle East. The complete failure to secure Iraq is the only thing that stopped us from invading Iran as well.

Now lets look at the members of PNAC that were also members of this administration or were inserted into various government positions:

Elliott Abrams
Richard Armitage
John R. Bolton
Dick Cheney
Eliot A. Cohen
Seth Cropsey
Paula Dobriansky
Francis Fukuyama
Zalmay Khalilzad
I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby
Peter W. Rodman
Donald Rumsfeld
Randy Scheunemann
Paul Wolfowitz
Dov S. Zakheim
Robert B. Zoellick

In 2000, PNAC signator Dick Cheney and George W. Bush became the Vice President and President of the United States following a landmark Supreme Court decision to not perform a recount of the Florida votes in the highly contended U.S. Presidential Election in 2000. With a PNAC member in the number-two spot in the U.S. Federal Government, who could provide advice to the newly elected President on his White House appointments, many PNAC members were elevated from their nascent thinktank to many of the most powerful positions in the executive office of the United States, including Secretary and Deputy Secretary of Defense, Deputy Secretary of State, and multiple additional posts within the Defense and State Departments. It is inconclusive whether Cheney's affiliation with PNAC was related to these appointments, although it has been repeatedly alleged that Bush and Cheney had every intent of bringing PNAC’s foreign policy ideas to fruition in their administration

These people signed a document that wanted a a "Pearl Harbor" type attack against our country in order to significantly increase the military budget and to start multiple wars in the Middle East, and with 9/11 they got their wish and the then invaded both Afghanistan and Iraq.

To say he entered office Not wishing to be a War time president is shear nonsense. And why so much secrecy in all levels of his administration if he has nothing to hide!!

Though not arguing that Bush administration PNAC members were complicit in those attacks, other social critics such as commentator Manuel Valenzuela and journalist Mark Danner, investigative journalist John Pilger, in The New Statesman, and former editor of The San Francisco Chronicle Bernard Weiner, in CounterPunch, all argue that PNAC members used the events as the "Pearl Harbor" that they needed––that is, as an "opportunity" to "capitalize on" (in Pilger's words), in order to enact long-desired plans.

"When the Towers came down," William Rivers Pitt writes in his editorial in Truthout.org, "these men saw, at long last, their chance to turn their White Papers into substantive policy."

And Jimmy Carter says this:

judges the PNAC agenda in the same way. At first, argues Carter, Bush responded to the challenge of September 11 in an effective and intelligent way, "but in the meantime a group of conservatives worked to get approval for their long held ambitions under the mantle of 'the war on terror'." The restrictions on civil rights in the US and at Guantanamo, cancellation of international accords, "contempt for the rest of the world", and finally an attack on Iraq "although there is no threat to the US from Baghdad" - all these things will have devastating consequences, according to Carter. "This entire unilateralism", warns the ex-President, "will increasingly isolate the US from those nations that we need in order to do battle with terrorism".

The Supreme Court made him president! Is it no wonder that high crimes and misdemeanors soon followed from a unlawfully appointed president!

However I will say Bush is very loyal to those close to him, he stood behind Rumsfeld and Brown way too long.

But we will see what history will say about GWB. If information is censored or controlled then I can see him being remembered as a good President, but if we can repair the damage he has done to our Republic then if the shoe Fits then Wear it!

I like him well enough. He's done a pretty good job with the bad hand that has been dealt. Obviously, he's not perfect by any stretch and I have major disagreements with him on some issues (immigration, being one), but I think that once the history is finally written, the general opinion of his presidency in 100 years or so will be fairly positive.

The key will be the events of the next 25-50 years, specifically whether or not the whole 'war on terror' reasoning provided by the Bush administration proves to be valid. Unfortunately, I think time will prove his concerns correct, and Bush will be remembered as president who had the foresight to recognize a growing problem and the will to deal with it before anyone else.



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I do like President Bush. I disagree with him at times. I get frustrated at some of the choices he makes, especially when it comes to spending and his lack of fiscal discipline. I wish he was a better communicator at times.

But I LOVE that true leader part of him that makes a decision and goes forward with it regardless of the politics.

I think what we think about him is what we are asking for. Why has this country put so much focus on "approval ratings", polls and speculation? So telling that what we think about becomes our reality.

Yes there is government collusion, war machines, banking and stock manipulation. But why are we so surprised by this and act like victims? I will admit I recently "woke up" to this and realized I was playing along. Now every decision I make for my and my family's future - I make sure that I empower with higher-thinking.

We have created and allowed ALL of this - over many, many generations. He and his advisors are simply just parroting what they believe is expected of them.

If we truly want change, I suggest we focus on the vision of the new future and reset our own personal expectations and rally. Example - Have you seen the T. Boone Pickens energy plan? Not here to debate if this particular issue makes sense or not - but a great example of someone who is out there, right or wrong, trying to solve a problem with some new ideas and expectations.

Bush, McCain, Obama, Clinton - whoever - it's irrelevant - they are merely parrots. What we expect - our quality of life here in the USA and on this planet - is what we should focus on.

No I dont like pres Bush. he's like that annoying kid at school that sits next to you, and drops your pencil on the floor every seconds and laughs.Then when you punch him in the face, he gets his Huge mates to beat you up."No sir i didnt hit him....wait your a kid!!"

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Didn't read any other comments other than the opening question.

I feel the country is in better shape than if Gore or Kerry would have won instead.

You need to look at the big picture, not just GW. The demoncrats in office and control of house, many many tax and spend programs would be in place.

The price of gas today would probably be fond memories from new environmental laws and energy policy in place.

Who's to say one way or another where we would be at with the war on terrorism. Most likely would have surrendered under one guy and God only knows what the other one would have responded with for 9-11.

Overall, I'm neutral in liking GW but I do think his presidential term(s) have been average. Far worse than some, and much better than others.

reply to post by tasteslikethunder


Any president that sends 165 billion over seas to a war, on the same funding bill for flood victims in the good ole USA he sends them 2.7 billion, is nothing but a fool, ignorant in his ways only looking out in selfish nature and intentions.

Bush has done nothing except kill the American dream, create chaos, stifle peace, stir hate and set the foundation for the ultimate failure.
I am sorry but bush hasn't done a thing on any positive side, period!


Bush should be in jail for the crimes he has committed!!!

Originally posted by pooty
Here's an answer you were probably not expecting.Personally I have no use for Bush.Has he done a good job?That depends are you talking about for the people or for the corporate owners?I believe the owners are satisfied with his performance.The people,not so much.If you are trying to rate his job performance you have to rate him as what he is the CEO of the corporation called the united states of america.

Frankly, im suprised by your arrogance. "I have no use for Bush"... rofl.

Anyhoo, i think buch got the short end of the stick during his presidency, 9/11, katrina, iraq, etc. He made some mistakes, but he did ok overall.

reply to post by Anonymous ATS

The fact is, the economy rolled along pretty good for the last 7 years

Really?????? Where are you? China? Iran? Venezuela?
If that is a fact, then I'm the king of Djibouti.

The "fact" is we are in a far worse off position than we were before we were "attacked". And no, our economy has barely been chugging along with every country we are/have pissed/pissing off is throwing every little economic monkey wrench in our cogs every chance they get.

Anyone else notice the number of people actually supporting Bush since the whole Ron Paul campaign made such an impact?

I'm not much of a person to cast unfounded insinuations, but it seems like there was a thread per day being publish about Paul on this site when his campaign was in full swing. Making this site one of the most trafficked places for Paul supporters. Now we have many, many new members here taking up for Bush and his presidency. Makes me wonder where these new members came from. Granted there have always been several dies-hard Bush supporters here, but it's seems we're overwhelmed with new members that LOVE Bush and his administration. Check out the recent threads that grace the homepage and check the star ratings for Pro-Bush statements.

You wouldn't have seen that 9 months ago. What's changed since then? What happened to change people's minds about Bush? In my opinion: ATS growth. Growth of new members all aligned with certain political ideals. It's not all that weird when you think about it. Political parties are always looking for the next thing that can advance their political agenda. Ron Paul's success on the internet and his constant threads on this site leave no doubt in my mind that we have a growing membership devoted to finding out just how and why Ron Paul had such success. Of course, they have their own ideals and agendas and we seem to be reaping the rewards as seen in some of the newer threads posted on this site.

reply to post by gluetrap


I think you are right and I agree. I think the dumb, cannot speak act is bullsh*t. He has a master degree, he went to one of the top colleges in the world. Does he just get flustered in public, I think so.

Not everyone can speak to 300 million people and not be a little nervous. Do I think he is the worst, no he is not. He will be reguarded 20 years from now as a POTUS that got things done. Whereas clinton will be known for a blue dress. I dont think Obama will win, I also do not think McCain will last as POTUS, his cancer will return if it hasnt already and he will die in 2 to 3 years.

In that time, he will be forgotten and looked at like ford.

Dont get me wrong, I voted for Bush twice, I do not agree or walk lockstep with everything he has done. No one can be right all the time, hell I even voted for Clinton the first time around.

Has anyone else noticed anythign interesting about this thread? The people who like bush, like myself, have posted reasons why. We have pointed to policies we agree with, and policies we disagree with in an unemotional and rational manner. Those who hate bush however can not do they same. They merley spit venom, sarcasim, and vitriol like an woman having a bad period.

Interestign that those who think I and others are stiupid for not hating bush cant even articulate why we should with the same level of intellect as a 4 year old.

reply to post by Shazam The Unbowed


Shazam...I don't think you are quite correct in your evaluation of coments on this thread.

YES, there will be sometimes heated, vehemently stated opinions. Not sure that many 4-year olds can type, nor string three words together, but...I'm just trying to be funny.

I'll just say, it has been an interesting read.....and the actual opening premise is a bit of fluff, sorry OP.

Seems the man THINKS he's doing the right thing....but the sycophants and downright scary NEOCONS who surround him are the real problem, my opinion.

reply to post by weedwhacker


A bit of fluff? My thread was started to ask a simple question. That question seems to have sparked alot more answers and opinions than i had imagined. I simply had the feeling there was alot more support on this site for bush than one would assume. a question. simple. clear. but (obviously) not empty.

reply to post by tasteslikethunder


Sorry, tastes.....I got distracted by your amazingly funny avatar.

AND....well, it shouldn't have come out of my mouth, as it did.....I was wishing for a beer.....'mmmmmm, beer.....'

You actually stirred up quite some discussion.

Poked the hornet's nest, ya did!!!

smile....and have another beer, it's on me!

reply to post by Shazam The Unbowed


I could list a hundred reasons why I don't like Bush's Presidency. But, I'll not bore you, since you're obviously set against objective reasoning.

1. "No child left behind" failure.

2. Nation Building/Increasing American Empire/Globalist Agenda.

3. Economy in shambles mostly because military spending.

4. His absolutist views on foreign politics (i.e.: "You're either with us, or against us.")

5: Failure to capture Bin Laden, while being extremely close with his family.

7. Profiteering from this war (indirectly - but, other person's in his administration profit from it directly).

4. His military "service" record (not a policy - just a personal dislike).

I could go on and on, but why bother?

As far as speaking as if a 4 year old ... just take a look at you own signature and avatar: "Kepping my pimp hand strong just like the decider!" And I like how you misspelled "Keeping" as if you were speaking like Bush would read from a teleprompter. That was a nice touch.

reply to post by Anonymous ATS


Maybe you should read some non-fiction first.
"The Creature From Jekyll Island" by G Edward Griffin.

"War is a Racket" by Major General Smedley Darlington Butler, Commandant of the US Marines, WWl Hero TWICE decorated w/ the Congressional Medal of Honor.

or just watch "The Money Masters" on google

Originally posted by mind is the universe

No no, you have backward thinking.

OMG Im in horror of your post.

You scare too easily

Nobody is trying to demonise him,

Originally posted by mind is the universe

"hes an evil facisist, Nazis, dictator "

"This man is an evil degrading demon"

"He is such disgusting human being."

God you need to get your head checked out!

So anytime anybody has a disagreement with you, you assume that they are in need of psychological help? Sounds a little Hitler-esque don't ya think?

Hes an great actor,

Finally something positive

in other words its his intention to act like a bad public speaker,

Thats quite a conspiracy you got going on there.

you need to

Stop right there. Anytime someone tells me I need to do something, I can't help but think that the person telling me this needs to .... take a hike

You said since when was the USA coming a communist country, need n't worry about that,

I made that comment as an outside observer as I made clear in that post. I made that comment from the standpoint that communist countries own the profits of businesses. Seeing as the corporate tax is near 40%, second highest in the world, only behind Japan, I was making a point that when a state owns that much of businesses profits, that, again as outside observer, it resembles socialist/communist ideologies.

Was it too bold of an assertion? Yes, but at the same time making my point and used it as a question one could ask when a certain party in the US continues use rhetoric like "tax the rich" as their mantra.

its becoming a dictatorship brainwashed nazis state invading countries.

Please grab a towel and wipe some of that foam from your mouth. It is not going to happen no matter how much you want it to.

LMAO there is still people like you around talking nonsense for the most part like above

I am a paid dis-info agent, you have no idea how many of us there are

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Bush strikes me as a nice guy he would make a good neighbour but as president he is far to easily influenced and he is also very naive . All of that adds up to Bush being way out of his depth in the oval office .

Cheers xpert11 .