CERN Large Hadron Collider, Nostradamus & the recent Dark Sky Phenoms!

reply to post by zorgon


Timesonline Article

Aside from the momentary side tracking, wow just wow this is really turning into something worthy of much investigation. I have my eyes on this thread to see what else you guys can come up with.

So are we talking about 9-10-2008?

What can one do to protect family from the effects? Cave exploring or something?

And do you suppose that metal in dental fillings will be affected?

So many questions that need answers fast...

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I read somewhere that it is possible that the particles will obliterate each other. I cant remember the site but kiss the world goodbye! Could start a chain reaction destorying all atoms on earth.

I really need to find that article.

This brings to mind the recent figure 8 crop glyph,



If this makes sense, press.web.cern.ch...

Starting up such a machine is not as simple as flipping a switch. Commissioning is a long process that starts with the cooling down of each of the machine’s eight sectors. This is followed by the electrical testing of the 1600

Talk about the theory of everything... Nostradamus, strange anomolous light and subsequent dark world wide, unexplained arial phenomena, political redherrings rampant, Toronto explosion, shades of black beam, Cassini Mission extended, Rayletheon the connectivity goes on and on.

Looks like August 22nd will be a day to keep our eyes on as well, www.interactions.org...

The synchronization of the LHC's clockwise beam transfer system and the rest of CERN's accelerator chain was successfully achieved last weekend. Tests began on Friday 8 August when a single bunch of a few particles was taken down the transfer line from the SPS accelerator to the LHC. After a period of optimization, one bunch was kicked up from the transfer line into the LHC beam pipe and steered about 3 kilometres around the LHC itself on the first attempt. On Saturday, the test was repeated several times to optimize the transfer before the operations group handed the machine back for hardware commissioning to resume on Sunday. The anti-clockwise synchronization systems will be tested over the weekend of 22 August.

I have to say I was hospitalized over the days above mentioned, I have had dehydration symptoms ongoing, and vertigo. Hummm, now what to expect on the counterclockwise direction? I think I will stay in bed and drink, plenty...

Originally posted by Sandia-1985
THAT GIVES YOU SERIOUS RESPONSIBILITIES WOW

Nah just Knighting the governor of the State of Nevada and raising several million dollars for the mentally challenged where I first met Robert Bigelow

To the Topic...

Found a MSM source on that magnet explosion...

Magnet for European particle accelerator self-destructs with a 'bang and a cloud of dust'
The Associated Press
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 04.04.2007

GENEVA — A 43-foot-long magnet for the world's largest particle collider broke "with a loud bang and a cloud of dust" during a high-pressure test, and officials said Tuesday they are working to find a replacement part.

www.azstarnet.com...

Well I'll be for once they were right

A 43 foot long magnet going up "with a loud bang and a cloud of dust" is no small thing




[edit on 12-8-2008 by zorgon]

lhc-injection-test.web.cern.ch...
We can supposedly watch the results from above link.

Is it possible that some of the affects were experienced during these dates and times? Check out the bottom of the schedule, what radiation and how much? Culd this have been why at 400am people in the UK saw daylight for a few seconds?

Injection test - approximate schedule


Time Phase Resp Approx elapsed time
Friday pm Access system - Beam ON
Friday pm Final prep of TI2 and EIS Rossano 1 hour
Friday 16:00 Final Interlock tests Bruno/Ben 1 hour
Friday 15:20 Beam on to TI2 TED
MSI etc pulsing

Cycle LHC Sector 23
OP 1 hour checks - trajectory etc. Beam down TI2 first shot
Friday 19:00 TI2 TED out, beam to TDI, kickers off

Give Alice 20 minute warning before taking TED out
INJ 2 hours Beam on TDI after correction end TI2
Friday 21:00 Kickers on, time in, position checks

Resolve timing issues
INJ 2 hours Interesting collaboration between timing and RF
Friday 21:40 TDI out - threading - momentum matching - beam to IR3 - beer Jorg & team 3 hours Beam to IR3 first shot. Tweak SPS.
Over night Fri-Sat Kick-response measurements Jorg & team 8 hours Beam induced quench of RB.A8.L3 at 02:19

Access required to replace quench heater power supply (not related to above quench)

Saturday am Access point 3 & Alice
15:00-17:00 Steering , RF, BI - beam to IR3 15:00 Beam back to IR3
17:00 - 20:00 Injection region aperture checks - TDI in Bren & team 4 hours TDI in 16:55 - Aperture checks half done
19:13 Injection kickers - fault off - system reset required - no beam for 2 hours+ 22:05 beam back
22:00 Kick-response measurements revisited
IR3 - open collimators - check down stream optics - close collimators afterwards.

Beam trhough IR3 nor problems. Instrumentation & optics look good.
Jorg, Massimo, Stefano 23:05 Beam through IR3
22:00 - 07:00 Gentle aperture measurements

Very nice set of measurements taken over night.
Stefano 8 hours
09:00 - 14:00 Dispersion plus RF

13:55 - dispersion measurement OK
OP Andy and Philippe Lots of fun with RF system, crashing counters
and stuff - sorting essential problems
14:00 ish Sunday Polarity checks etc

(Injection screen measurements in parasitic mode - OK)
Frank 3 hours Tested BPM response with lower intensity from PS

1 10^9 - not triggered
1.1 10^9 - triggered but noise
2 10^9 - looks good - Rhodri having a closed look

16:00 - finish aperture checks of injecton region
- injection kicker delay scan & trajectory
TDI in Brennan & co 3 hours Ok
Re-cycle - reset followed by problem with quench heater, injection kickers
Sun night Beam through IR3, BLM response IR3, re- check optics Bernd & co

Stefano & co
4 hours
06:00 End test
08:00 Start radiation survey, establish zones (areas which have seen beam) RP 4-6 hours

Originally posted by Tentickles

Timesonline Article

Thanks saw this after I posted mine I will add this to my pages.

Right zorgon also found it in wiki:

Failure of magnets
On March 27, 2007, a magnet designed and built by Fermilab for CERN's Large Hadron Collider suffered a catastrophic failure. The 14-meter long quadrupole magnet broke after supports that held the magnet in place inside a cylinder of liquid helium snapped.[10] The solution to this failure was developed within 3 months. Full current of 11.4 kilo-amps was achieved in one of these repaired magnets on April 24, 2008[11].

en.wikipedia.org...




[edit on 12-8-2008 by antar]

Is this thing in CERN a circle or a figure 8?

the collider is a circle.......a BIG one.....

Originally posted by trusername
Is this thing in CERN a circle or a figure 8?

Have a picture !!

The gold line is the overlay of where the collider is.
--- The tunnel in which the collider resides, ranges from 50 to 175 meters in depth.
The yellow line is international border - France in the lower, Switzerland in the upper.
The airport is Geneva airport.
To walk the tunnel, from one point all the way around to return where you started, is a 27km walk.

[edit on 13/8/08 by Misfit]

So a year ago a helium tube fails and a huge magnet vaporises into dust on a test run, but we guarantee its safe... nothing can happen Honest we fixed the problem in three months...

Uh huh

Here is a mini Cern wannabe...




Weird I guess I posted all that CERN stuff in another thread... oh well...


CERN Big Powerful Beam, Circle with 8 Nodes...



Look Familiar?

Big Circle 8 Nodes with Beams...





Yup its safe... no worries

Even Dr. Lyn Evans, who heads the accelerator project at CERN, said the explosion had been potentially very dangerous. "There was a hell of a bang, the tunnel housing the machine filled with helium and dust and we had to call in the fire brigade to evacuate the place," he said. "The people working on the test were frightened to death but they were all in a safe place so no-one was hurt."

[edit on 13-8-2008 by zorgon]

Originally posted by captiva
Interesting take on the LHC, but no more interesting than all the other prophecies that have been doing the circuit over the last 2 years. What Im more interested in are the dark daylight symptoms that are cropping up. Ive got a theory on that, but thats a diffirent thread.

As far as posters saying nothing will happen to the LHC or happen because of it, I dont think we are able to say that with any conviction. Fact is we are bordering on the totally new here. Throughout history great strides have been made due to experimenting in totally new fields or pushing ideas to their limits with the help of new equipment. Alas there have been many set-backs during the progress and Im sure the LHC wont be any diffirent. The unknown factor with the LHC is that an error could be the costliest ever known to man.

Lets here it for a brave new era thanks to the information gathered by the LHC, but lets not be too quick to say its harmless and nothing will go wrong.

[edit on 12-8-2008 by captiva]

One possibility for the dark sky phenomenon could be the black auroras and there is information about this phenomenon in one of my previous posts. The only reason I even know of it is because of a TV show I watched 4 years ago that actually showed video of the black aurora in action as caught by the "cluster" of 4 european space agency satellites from orbit.

But as to the rest of your post, Of coarse anything could go wrong. The real question, at least to me, is "what will happen ?". And, honestly, this is a MASSIVE particle accelerator that was built on a scale only dreamed of before in particle physics. If a micro black hole is created, then the machine is operating properly is it not? At this point the black hole isn't created by some fault in the machine or something going "wrong". A micro black hole isn't going to become larger and larger and envelope the earth. This is a myth and there are a few factors that people usually don't think to take into account, such as..

1-The LHC can only produce microscopic black holes of a particular mass density (If it can at all) simply due to the limitations of the equipment and the fact that they are only accelerating and colliding a couple molecules together.

2-If black holes really did simply expand unimpeded (such as in a popular youtube video) and exist indefinately, then the entire universe would have become a distant memory long ago after ending up "eaten" by black holes of unimaginable proportions.. And the growth of such a black hole would require a mass multiplier within the singularity that, if remained constant, would give the black hole more mass and cause it to grow at an exponential rate. This doesn't happen.. There wouldn't be any way for the black hole to gain exponential mass. Black holes are created by massive stars when they die. No other mass is put into the process other than what is created after the star collapses onto itself under its own gravity.

And then you would have the difficulty overcoming the factor of hawking radiation. (see my previous post on this for more information).

A supermassive black hole is created in an extremely violent death of a massive star (as many of us know). After the point at which the mass reaches critical density and "punctures"/"distorts" 3-dimensional reality during the collapse of all that mass at a single point, no more mass can ever be added to the black hole at a later point to make it larger. In fact, what scientists believe really happens is that the black hole basically evaporates/dissipates over an extremely long length of time (dependant on the attributes of the black hole itself and it's surroundings) until it simply doesn't exist anymore. This process of evaporation is what scientists, again, call "Hawking radiation" ( basically the black hole radiating it's contents out into space over a long period of time )

3- Because of this fact, even a micro black hole only has the capability to exist for a tiny fraction of a second before it dissipates. This is because of the density of mass created when the initial collision occurs and the size of the colliding objects. For example, If we were to create a black hole by colliding 2 particles colliding into each other at near the speed of light, the resulting black hole would be much smaller and much shorter lived than if we collided 2 kitchen sinks at the same speeds.

-ChriS

Originally posted by BlasteR
One possibility for the dark sky phenomenon could be the black auroras

Links please

In ancient times a "prophet" would be killed if he was wrong once because it could not have come from God.

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by BlasteR
One possibility for the dark sky phenomenon could be the black auroras

Links please

I talked about the black auroras in a little more detail in a previous post with lots of links and info. There are also some photos and high res mpegs to check out which I linked to. It's definately mind boggling stuff

..I also mentioned the NIF (National Ignition Facility) which I believed you already know about. I posted it in a different thread recently when we were discussing CERN just because it is another MASSIVE scientific undertaking that will produce the largest laser ever created. The main premise behind putting all that money into a giant laser is, primarily, nuclear research. Scientists think they might be able to discover a new kind of nuclear energy that would revolutionize energy as we know it. They talked about this in more detail within that Discover magazine article I linked here in my post. Also has some pretty amazing photos of the thing.

-ChriS

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Keep the posts coming, alot of good information in the links and what not.

You know. I just can't get out my head Stephen King's the langoliers. Black holes doing the packman on the planet. I personally don't like it. I wish that had been a question to Dr Kaku.

[edit on 8/13/2008 by jpm1602]

Originally posted by BlasteR

I talked about the black auroras in a little more detail in a previous post with lots of links and info.

This thread? Hmmm must have missed it... hard to keep up with so many threads on the same topic

The main premise behind putting all that money into a giant laser is, primarily, nuclear research.

Well ermmm... that and DEW

If your interested to see what the LHC actually looks like, check out these pictures...

I got a whole load of pictures