CERN Large Hadron Collider, Nostradamus & the recent Dark Sky Phenoms!

Originally posted by Discotech
You would be better off doing a jigsaw puzzle if you want to put pieces of a puzzle together, hey at least you'll know when they fit or don't fit for sure

Nostradamus and most other prophets are jokes. They make up so called prophecies and shroud them in secrecy and allow them to be very very open to interpretation giving them a great chance of someone like yourself aligning it to something!

Here's a prophecy for you that WILL come true

In the years to come
A great fire will rain on the earth
In the depths of a cave a bear will stir
Upon this day your enemies will be shown

Of course I just randomly made that up but I'm sure most of you prophet believers will be able to link it to something because it's what you do, clinging onto the hope of something even if it's the end of the world as we know it!

I'd really love for some loopy stuff to happen because of the LHC like opening dimensions and us getting invaded by stange creatures, however I'm sensible enough to realise that, that stuff only happens in the movies!

It would be interesting, and that would 'end the known world' throwing it into chaos if that happened.

I shall be here when the Lizards from Alpha Planet IVXXC invade, to say. Yes. I was right.

On a serious note, opinions are opinions and over the internet it is hard to convince others of your point of view. Which is why I wholefully accept yours and freely express mine. Though I do hope you respect mine as much as I do yours. I think I'll make that my signature!

Threads like this make me wish for Zombie Infestations to cleanse the world.


At least in a zombie world woo-woo would be fatal.

Originally posted by Shazam The Unbowed
Threads like this make me wish for Zombie Infestations to cleanse the world.

At least in a zombie world woo-woo would be fatal.

HAZZAH! A Fellow zombie enthusiaist!

Have I mentioned I am an avid End of the Known World fan? I'm all for chaos and war.

>.> Just not destorying of the entire world.

reply to post by Tentickles


CERN has been on for over a month now. They started "spinning" the atoms about a month back...they just aren't colliding yet.

reply to post by Tentickles


Wow. I am also an end of the world fan, and I am a big fan of zombie movies. Just saw the new "Day Of The Dead" movie this weekend...It sucked, but it was a zombie movie, so...

I guess we have a lot in common. My favorite end of the world films are:

Last Night
Miracle Mile
The Day After

Favorite zombie films:

Dawn of the Dead (2006)
Dawn of the Dead (1974)
Return of the Living Dead

The Extremely Long Odds Against the Destruction of Earth
Don't be too concerned that the world's largest particle accelerator is about to go online.
by The Editors
published online July 24, 2008

discovermagazine.com...

Can we be sure that a black hole created at the LHC wouldn't expand and swallow the earth?
I think the honest answer to this question is yes. The black holes that would be produced at the LHC must also be produced by the hundreds every day due to energetic cosmic rays bombarding our earth. When cosmic rays smash into particles of earth material, it's the same type of collision that happens in the LHC. So the very fact that we exist here on earth to talk about these things tells us that even if black holes are produced, pretty much everything is very safe. Either black holes are not produced at all, or they decay very, very quickly due to Hawking radiation or an equivalent mechanism.

Follow the link for a lot more info from Brown University physicist Greg Landsberg, who is involved in experiments at the LHC,

reply to post by just theory


It has a great deal to do with things, RAYPOZ is referring to a man that in allied to the One World
Order. He is coming out of a royal house and he is a prince.
There is a general title, made up of two words, that is most
often used in media to describe them. Get this and you will
get RAYPOZ.

Originally posted by Tentickles

I quote Nostradamus:

"Leave, leave Geneva every last one of you,
Saturn will be converted from gold to iron,
Raypoz will exterminate all who oppose him,(?)
Before the coming the sky will show signs.
Migrés, migrés de Geneue trestous,
Saturne d'or en fer se changera,
Le contre Raypoz exteriminera tous,
Auvant l'aruent le ciel signes fera."

Maybe they will decay lead ,gold ,or mercury into highly radioactive iron.

King James Bible Revelation 2:27
"And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father."







[edit on 11-8-2008 by eradown]

I've always been interested in Nostradamus, having seen the documentary on HBO about 20 years ago and then given a book by my parents. I'll agree that most of the time, events are attributed to his quatrains after the fact and some are made to fit his vague descriptions. One recent show on the History Channel had a skeptic on that basically said make a call before hand and he'll consider it. I think that's where this kind of lies. Most of the time the big event happens and then after the fact they say Nostradamus predicted it. After 9/11 happened, Nostradamus was one of the biggest net searches! This quatrain would clearly vault him into the category of true prophet if someone were to actually predict something ahead of the fact instead of after.

Having said all that, the only thing that appears to tie this quatrain with the LHC is the mentioning of Geneva. The second line about Saturn turning from gold to iron, what exactly does that refer to? The third line with the word Raypos seems to me like it is a name because it says "Raypos will exterminate all who oppose him". The last line, "Before the coming, the sky will show signs" is about as vague as can be. I noted the threads about the dark and light changing, but haven't witnessed anything like that around here. Figured if it was really something big we'd see it in the news. And there are lots of things that could be considered signs in the sky. Last week there was even an eclipse.

All in all, the LHC is perfectly safe. It is going to be turned on one way or another. As the guy said in Braveheart right before William Wallace went to pick a fight, "We didn't get all dressed up for nothin'!"

Originally posted by Discotech
In the depths of a cave a bear will stir
Upon this day your enemies will be shown

OMFG! Clearly you have just foreseen the conflicts between Russia and Georgia! Too bad they began a couple days ago, but hey, at least you can see where it's going...

I'm just wondering if the LHC would really be the first time travel machine being ever built. I bet the scientists would like to know how to keep the micro wormhole open for a longer period. Surely after that we would have quite a few microsized time travellers to come into this time period.

Ha boy! That image just got a whole lot stranger.

[edit on 11-8-2008 by Shrukin89]

Okay, i am going to do a little explaining on the LHC, doomsday device, probably not, the amount of energies they use are nothing compared to the collisions that happen in the ionosphere, and yes micro black holes are created in the ionosphere as well as there is a good chance that we will see evidence of them on the detectors of the LHC. Microscopic black holes have a shelf life of about a billionth of second. Accelerators are a vacuum hence, no matter, due to hawking radiation(take a guess who discovered it) the black holes will evaporate, they follow the same laws of physics people, they eat matter or they die, so in a vacuum where there's nothing to eat and the energy of the initial black hole isn't enough to damage the machine to break the vacuum, the black hole will evaporate. it is not going to swallow the earth. Even if it damaged the vacuum and broke a part of the machine, it would evaporate before matter could reach it. Stranglets are highly theoretical, the energy of the LHC probably wouldn't have enough energy to create one and if it did that means they would be all over the earth already because remember the (ionosphere). okay there is some particle physics for you if you feel like disagreeing with me do some research before you post.

now as for the recent light and dark anomalies, I only believe they one in the uk was legit and i believe it was do to the storms that were rolling through that caused the darkening, or possibly an eclipse of some sort. remember global warming is real and ask any meteorologist and they will tell you there has been major shifts in storm patterns and cloud formations, there are new types of clouds popping up that have never been seen before. the light anomolie in toronto was at the same time the propane factory lit up and if you had seen the video, that explosion lit up the sky for about the same time he said it turned daylight outside.

On the topic of the propane factory, there were heavy storms in toronto prior to the factory starting on fire which probably caused it to do so we will know for sure in a few weeks.

I am not trying to be the logic guy on the conspiracy website, i believe in aliens like most of you all do. but to try to take every current event and add a spooky twist on it is just ridiculous. If you want to save us all and do your part don't protest the LHC, just recycle.

Originally posted by Shazam The Unbowed
Is there anyway to sue the OP for the minutes I spent reading those links? Since Ill never get them back and all.
Becasue no matter how much someone may allow themselves to fall prey to uninformed fears, the LHC is no danger to anyone.

i wonder if you can sue your self for making that choice to read all those links?

reply to post by Tentickles


As for the "dark sky phenom" that could be related to black auroras which were officially discovered in 2001 by a quartet of small European Space Agency satellites that work together to research auroral phenomenon from orbit.

sci.esa.int...

sci.esa.int...


Somemore background on "black auroras"
www.gi.alaska.edu...

This one gives some additional info plus some photos of the phenomenon
www.phys.ucalgary.ca...

Here are some High-res mpeg's of the phenomenon
www.phys.ucalgary.ca...

People used to report similar things in the past but until just recently we had no direct scientific proof of their existence.

This is another really interesting aurora find from 2006 from this same group of ESA satellites...
www.esa.int...

There was an episode of NOVA on the auroras a few years ago that I saw which talked for a while about this phenomenon and it included an amazing video clip of the black auroras in action. I have yet to find that footage anywhere online.

-ChriS

I'm sorry.

I haven't exactly been up to date with what's going on with the LHC. But could somebody please be so kind as to explain to me in laymens terms exactly what the purpose is behind the LHC project. Is it suppose to be some sort of a weapon? Or what? I don't remember.

Thanks in advance to anybody who can offer an explanation. Have a better one. Peace.

Originally posted by gate13


i wonder if you can sue your self for making that choice to read all those links?

Nope, my health insurance isnt good enough.

www.canada.com...

alot of things happened that day and none are attributable to the powering on of the lHC. not to mention that all of these things are completely ambiguous of eachother. I would suggest finding better correlary evidence to support these unsubstantiated conclusions before jumping out on a limb.

reply to post by Marked One


Here is a little more info...

en.wikipedia.org...

The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is a particle accelerator complex intended to collide opposing beams of 7 TeV protons. Its main purpose is to explore the validity and limitations of the Standard Model, the current theoretical picture for particle physics. This model is known to break down at a certain high energy level.

The LHC is being built by the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), and lies under the Franco-Swiss border near Geneva, Switzerland. The LHC will become the world's largest and highest-energy particle accelerator.[1] It is funded and built in collaboration with over two thousand physicists from thirty-four countries as well as hundreds of universities and laboratories.

The collider is currently undergoing commissioning while being cooled down to its final operating temperature of approximately 1.9 K (−271.25 °C). The initial particle beams are due for injection in August 2008,[2] the first attempt to circulate beam through the entire LHC is scheduled for September 10, 2008,[3] and the first high-energy collisions are planned to take place after the LHC is officially unveiled, on October 21, 2008.[4]

When activated, it is theorized that the collider will produce the elusive Higgs boson, the observation of which could confirm the predictions and "missing links" in the Standard Model of physics and could explain how other elementary particles acquire properties such as mass.[5][1] The verification of the existence of the Higgs boson would be a significant step in the search for a Grand Unified Theory, which seeks to unify three of the four known fundamental forces: electromagnetism, the strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force, leaving out only gravity. The Higgs boson may also help to explain why gravitation is so weak compared to the other three forces. In addition to the Higgs boson, other theorized novel particles that might be produced, and for which searches[6] are planned, include strangelets, micro black holes, magnetic monopoles and supersymmetric particles.[7]

Some people think that a micro black hole could eventually destroy the earth but that is false. A micro black hole would only have the energy to exist for a very tiny fraction of a second before it dissipates. This is because of what scientists call Hawking Radiation .

Some crazy people have apparently decided to protest the LHC in Geneva becuase they think that the destruction of molecules is wrong (tell that to, I don't know, all the stars in the universe). The destruction of matter is involved in nearly every major event in our universe. Black holes, white dwarfs, nuclear fusion, nuclear fission, etc....possibly even the big bang itself..For more info..
Group Protests Treatment of Hadrons at CERN

But probably the most exciting prospect of the LHC scientifically (at least right now) is the possibility of discovering scientific evidence of other dimensions. The LHC might even give us way of gauging the shape of these dimensions.. Refer to references below for more info..

www.interactions.org...

www.universetoday.com...

news.softpedia.com...

Michio Kaku was recently on ATS mix in a really interesting show. He talked about the LHC in detail as well as all the different theories of black holes and much much more. For that, refer to this thread..
www.abovetopsecret.com...'

I believe Michio Kaku said on the radio show that the LHC is so large the city of Geneva would fit inside it.

And another REALLY interesting machine is being built right now in Livermore, California. It will be the largest, most powerful laser ever built. It is called the National Ignition Facility (NIF)..
NIF official website
Article on the NIF from Discover Magazine

-ChriS


[edit on 12-8-2008 by BlasteR]

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Well said, allthough I must say Im more excited by the rospect that the LHC may NOT discover the higgs boson. But then I got all excited because Gravity Probe B had a miniscule chance of disproving some parts of special relativity too.