Russia/Georgia Situation News & Updates

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Probably has a little something to do with RUSSIA standing in their way?

Originally posted by johnsky
reply to post by Harlequin

 

Where is Georgia with THEIR relief for their own people?

actually Georgia shut down the humanitarian corridors themselves stopping any aid going in - looks about 50 pages back

Originally posted by TruthTellist
reply to post by johnsky

 

So what - like should we takeover some land in world of warcraft for ATS or something?

It's not world of warcraft.

It is world of war, staring Russia and NATO.

reply to post by Rentor


LoL, I play WoW too!
Alliance of course

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and so do i - working on m`uru right now - but back to the war

Ann Coulter goes .. ATS or not !

j/k)

fyi i play since beta and finally gave it up few months back.Now whats going on with turkey? any news on their sites or what?

This thread was going great until some posts ago... could we remain in topic?

Some geographic questions:

- Why does the Ukraine exercise so much influence over the Russian Navy? It looks to me that Russia has enough landmass along he Black Sea to come and go as she pleases.

- If the United States Navy was going to enter the Black Sea it would need to use the Aegean Sea and pass via Istanbul and The Bosporus Strait. Does this give Turkey veto over US ship movement? Can the Bosporus even give conduct to an aircraft carrier. (Are the bridges too low?)

Could this move by the U.S. actually be counterproductive? If the Russians retreat now, it will be seen as them backing down in the face of the U.S. - and as we've seen, they are in no mood to be pushed around.

Originally posted by Mainer
(Are the bridges too low?)

There are two suspended bridges in the Bosporus strait, both with a maximum clearance from sea of 64m. I don't know how much military ships are tall, though.

Originally posted by Mainer
Some geographic questions:

- Why does the Ukraine exercise so much influence over the Russian Navy? It looks to me that Russia has enough landmass along he Black Sea to come and go as she pleases.

Not all locations are created equal. Sevastopol base is there for many reasons and it's highly developed. It may be difficult or impossible to find another such place in Russia proper, because its Black Sea coast is actually not that large (trust me, I traveled there many times) -- the rest is Abkhazia and Georgia.


[edit on 13-8-2008 by buddhasystem]

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Hi Truth, do you have link for this info?? This is quite interesting

reply to post by Mainer


Yes, US warships are alowed to pass the Dardaneles, but only one at a time...
Aircraft carriers are not allowed.

For further info, see the Montreux Convention.

link

reply to post by Shirakawa


Sorry, I guess they got carried away with the lull in the news.

Sky is just repeating the news that Bush is worried about rumors of continuing Russian presence. Still no confirmations yet of the rumored continued fighting. You'd think shots being fired would be pretty darned easy to confirm... which is why I'm putting no faith in the rumors.

As far as I'm concerned, Russias holding to their end of the bargain, the Georgians are also holding to their end of the bargain...

... and using the US for aid was really the wrong choice. Too much tension there... there had to be a more neutral country we could have sent in with aid.

This is only a thought, but I suspect that throughout the course of this conflict we have seen a great deal of "testing the waters" by Russia, and now by the United States. Russia, arguably justifiably, feels stung by NATO’s expansion and what they see as a dismissal of their concerns and interests in the region. As such, it's somewhat as if Russia is saying that they have the right to be in Georgia should they deem it necessary, and “what is anyone going to do about it?” In addition to what they feel are legitimate concerns over Georgia's activities in South Ossetia (regardless of who was ultimately the catalyst,) they may wish to remind the U.S. that they still matter and can't be ignored. Likewise, it's as if the United States is now asking Russia if they'd like to “try that again” when U.S. forces are actually inside Georgia or in its nearby waters. I think the U.S. is essentially trying to call what they see as Russia's bluff.

However, Russia has said many times over the years that, strategically, Georgia is a red line for them. They don't want to see it join NATO, and they don't want increased U.S. influence in the country or the region as a whole. Thus the U.S. may be hard pressed to coax Russia into backing down. Both sides know the other doesn't want war - presumably - with the other. This, in a sense, may embolden them both because they feel that no matter what happens, the other won’t risk pulling the trigger. If so, this could be a miscalculation to our collective peril.

It's my hope that both sides will reconsider, if indeed that is their mutual position currently.


[edit on 8/13/2008 by AceWombat04]

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Yushchenko “locks” Russian ships in Crimea

President of Ukraine Victor Yushchenko has adopted a procedure of movement of the Russian Black Sea Fleet units beyond its Sevastopol base.
The text of the Decree #705/2008 dated August 13, 3008, is posted at the official web site of the Ukrainian President.

The decree confirms and puts into actions the decision of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine made on Wednesday, August 13, 2008. The NCDS noted that Ukraine lacked a clear mechanism for coordination of movements of BSF military men, ships, and aircraft beyond its Sevastopol base. As a result, an uncontrolled, without any coordination, movement of military units and military men of foreign states takes place, which does not correspond to the national interests of Ukraine, and poses a potential threat to lives and health of Ukrainian citizens.

Considering the NSDC resolution, the President, with his Decree, confirmed a procedure of coordinating BSF movements beyond its base with competent state bodies of Ukraine. Thus, BSF should seek a permission no later than 72 hours prior to any planned movements.

source

The Us might be sending a ship like the USNS Comfort. nothing more. There will be no destroyers or such a thing in the black sea. turkey seems to be neutral in this, and will never allow a major us naval force entering the bosporus.

and most of you are forgetting economics are on russias side. they can take over 10 millionen barrels of oil of the markets. and something like about 40 % of european gas supplies, if we take eastern european countries into account.

the us is allready on the brink of a recession, 350 $ oil would not help them. in fact russia could shut down the word economy just by turing of energy supply.

there won't be an american intervention.

BREAKING - SKY TV - REUTERS: President Saakashvili says Bush's statement means Georgian airports and ports will be under U.S. military control.

- White House says first U.S. aid plane arrives in Georgia.

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got this

USS Theodore Roosevelt

Total height, from keel to mast - 244 feet (~74 meters), as high as a 24 story building