SWAT guns down innocent dogs of town mayor

Well the incident has reached higher levels and now the FBI is to do an investigation to see if the county is committing civil rights violations.

It seems that the sheriff department and the police will be hiring some new personnel after all.

Also now the police involved in the incident tried to say that the reason they kick the door was because the elderly mother in law saw them (looking through the window) and started screaming.

So that is why they kick the door grab the elderly mother in law, put her on the floor and handcuff her while shooting the dogs.

This officers are guilty of charge they are now going around the bushes looking for excuses.

Incredible.

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Investigations need to be extended from county to country. A moratorium on such raids should be effected immediately.

What amazes me is the use of lethal force on the animals, when there are other non-lethal options. Sounds like PG SWAT team was a little too geared up for this.

I would figure an asp or O.C. spray would be a non-lethal deterrent carried by a police officer.

[edit on 9-8-2008 by Meddle_Element]

Originally posted by Dan Tanna
Rule 2) Run a damn name and address check. It stops 'oh sh!t its the mayors house' mistakes.

Hearing about stuff like this temps me to try something weird...Although I'd be too chicken to actually do it.
Using a pay phone somewhere, call in an anonymous tip to DHS, stating that I saw a van & three guys unloading crates of a size & shape that could reasonably contain assault rifles...At the address of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave in Washington D.C. I wonder how far they'd get before they realized where they were going?
Truthfully, after all is said & done, where is the real source of "homegrown terrorism" anyway?! Hell, Washington D.C. is the "seed" & the mainstream media is so full of $#|+ that they make for the perfect fertilizer, with the misinformed public being the soil to grow it!

Originally posted by EnlightenUp
They should have had the knowledge beforehand. No excuses. Those executing these types of raids are criminals.

But the bigger issue here is that these are criminals given sanction by criminals! This is the real problem that needs to be addressed...By the public! The only reason criminals like this get away with such acts is because the People let them get away with it! In all truthfulness they can not "govern" this way without the consent of the People, so only the People themselves can stop it. The peaceful method involves to continue telling them to stop (via Right to Petition, although they've obviously gone deaf already), peaceful civil disobedience (by simply refusing to do anything they say) or non-violent "removal" of support by everybody stops paying the taxes...If the government doesn't collapse soon enough by going broke, then violence would be the last resort.
The pervasive systems of public deception is so deeply rooted in our society, there's still far too many People addicted to the "blue pill." Truly, we have become our own worst enemies for letting it get this far in the first place.

Originally posted by jerico65
*SNIP*


Mod Edit: Quote Cleanup.

[edit on 8/8/2008 by Mirthful Me]

Even though I never saw the actual posts before your edit, from what I see left of it, wouldn't it be more like, "cleanup in aisle 7."

Originally posted by ArMaP
..change the politics (and you have the power to do it, we did not had that power until 1974) and you can (and will) change the direction your country is going to.

Remember, it's always easier to enter a dictatorship than to end it, don't let it start!

It seems a bit to late to prevent tyranny...After all, the courts already collude with the Executive to "interpret" law in the Executive's favor, while the Executive already uses "signing statements" to usurp Congress' Legislative Power & Congress sits back & watches it all happen, wondering why this mess got started in the first place (no matter how much the People are telling them why it's happening).
But I agree that it's not too late to stop the already-existing tyranny...It's just that there's still too many People who haven't recognized the close similarity to Hitler's rise to power yet.

Originally posted by Raist
I once thought that most of the posters on ATS had some intelligence but I see that many are no better than those these stories are written about.

I understand your viewpoint & agree with it. But when you get a website that's as large as ATS, you're bound to find some real kooks now & then. It's just a matter of recognizing those kooks & resigning yourself to know who to ignore & when...It's the only real way to keep your own sense of balance intact.

[edit on 9-8-2008 by MidnightDStroyer]

Just asking something hypothetically here, sorry if its a bit off topic... What could be done by private citizens to discourage the use of these raids? Is it legal to set booby traps in your home? or inside your front door? Booby traps that would incapacitate (either lethal or non-lethal means) anyone kicking my door down in the middle of the night?

Seems to me that if a few SWAT teams were blown away by land mines or claymores (deffinately illegal) they might start knocking instead of kicking doors down.

Originally posted by marg6043
Also now the police involved in the incident tried to say that the reason they kick the door was because the elderly mother in law saw them (looking through the window) and started screaming.

So that is why they kick the door grab the elderly mother in law, put her on the floor and handcuff her while shooting the dogs.
Incredible.

Their reaching and making up stuff now, you don't bring the SWAT team unless you plan on kicking the door down.

My son was laughing about this today. He is a huge Dave Chappelle fan, and the way this ties into his show is pretty funny.

there is that episode where they switch the stereotypes for black and white people, and it shows a white guy getting his house raided. This is almost identifal, right down to the dog getting shot.

It is like Chappelle is Nostradamus or something. LOL

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You would think that it would be legal to put whatever you wanted inside your own house, but i don't think that's the case anymore, You'd have to check the ordinances in our specific city, town,etc.

Some years back my cousin had a problem with gangs jumpig her fence and runnin through her yard, so they put nails on the top of their 6 foot privacy fence, but they hammered them in from the other side so that they were facing the inside of her yard, no one would be hurt unless they were jumping her fence, the city fined her for that and she was told to remove them.

I also remember a case where a business owner set booby traps in his business because he kept getting robbed after hours, criminal broke in, got hurt and sued the owner.

I do know that there are people that have their walls and doors reinforced so that they can't be kicked down, cops can't even get in using a battering ram which is what they usually use when they pull that "no knock" crap. But like i said you have to check your local city ordinances.


As far as the sherriff's reaching for a cover story now, you're right they are because they know they messed up big time. I heard one story where they said they decided to storm in because they heard someone yelling that they were running towards the house, which according to them meant that someone was yelling out a warning.

Things have gotten so bad in this country between cops and civilians that now most of them now see us all as criminals that just haven't been caught yet.

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One option that is the most overlooked is jury nullification. We The People could refuse to convict nonviolent offenders (in malum prohibitum cases such as this). That is really the last word and is supported by common law.

Originally posted by XTexan
Is it legal to set booby traps in your home? or inside your front door? Booby traps that would incapacitate (either lethal or non-lethal means) anyone kicking my door down in the middle of the night?

Seems to me that if a few SWAT teams were blown away by land mines or claymores (deffinately illegal) they might start knocking instead of kicking doors down.

Of course you can do whatever you want in your house,(illegal-only if you get caught) but are you going to take the risk of something like that going off accidentally? Nope - not a good idea.

While it sounds like a good idea initially, fighting fire with fire by creating booby traps to disable raiders to your home - problem is you'd be facing charges worse than any drug charges for hurting or killing law enforcement officers. Just not going to fly unless you plan on becoming Rambo and living in the woods the rest of your existence while they hunt you.

Originally posted by chise61

I do know that there are people that have their walls and doors reinforced so that they can't be kicked down, cops can't even get in using a battering ram which is what they usually use when they pull that "no knock" crap. But like i said you have to check your local city ordinances.

Yeah one thing that always bothers me is how crappy most American homes are built - as far as keeping people out that want to get in. Almost a conspiracy that the government wants soft doors, walls & windows so they can come in anytime unimpeded. (or maybe it's the Aliens fault - so they can abduct you anytime).

Of course if you have the resources you can build a house that is virtually impenetrable by cops or burglars, but most people don't have that kind of money as that means custom built stuff that you can't just buy at the local building supply store. Of course one can always beef up there home to slow them down and allot of dope dealers do just that - so they have time to burn or flush evidence, but the average joe doesn't want ugly bars on his doors and windows and can't afford a castle.

It's time we take the profit out of the War on drugs and stop forfeiture laws that are a big incentive for small time county sheriff's to boost their income by taking cash, houses & cars in order to grow their office and eventually they get too greedy and start hitting the wrong people as we see in this case and they have absolutely no remorse for their crimes.

Another thing we need to do is take them to court and sue the crap out of them every time they violate our civil rights. The only way to get them in line is make them pay for every mistake.

I had a friend who's apartment got raided by the feds looking for her roommates boyfriend. He wasn't even there, but in the botched raid they scared her when they broke in the upstairs windows and she fell down a couple stair steps and broke her arm. She was a good sheeple and let her insurance pay her medical bills and missed work with no compensation, cause like most American sheeple she thinks the pigs who caused her injury are good guys. Letting them get away with that just encourages them to continue.

Know your rights and always take the pigs to court - even if you lose your case the hassle & time you cause them is a loss for them.

[edit on 10-8-2008 by verylowfrequency]

Originally posted by verylowfrequency

Originally posted by XTexan
Is it legal to set booby traps in your home? or inside your front door? Booby traps that would incapacitate (either lethal or non-lethal means) anyone kicking my door down in the middle of the night?

Seems to me that if a few SWAT teams were blown away by land mines or claymores (deffinately illegal) they might start knocking instead of kicking doors down.

Of course you can do whatever you want in your house, but are you going to take the risk of something like that going off accidentally? Nope - not a good idea.

While it sounds like a good idea initially, fighting fire with fire by creating booby traps to disable raiders to your home - problem is you'd be facing charges worse than any drug charges for hurting or killing law enforcement officers. Just not going to fly unless you plan on becoming Rambo and living in the woods the rest of your existence while they hunt you.

Agreed, booby trapping my home could have some definite down sides... though the Rambo approach could be fun...

Seriously though, how is it legal for someone to, un-announced, kick my door down in the middle of the night? Also, how can they expect me to act "civilized" when I've just woke up to my door being kicked in and hearing gunshots fired at 3am? It makes absolutely no sense to me.

Also, whats gonna happen when one of these storm trooper squads kicks down someones door they shouldnt have (i.e. someone with booby traps... terrorist, drug cartel, etc.) and a whole neighborhood gets blown sky high?



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[edit on 10-8-2008 by XTexan]

[edit on 10-8-2008 by XTexan]

Originally posted by XTexan

Seriously though, how is it legal for someone to, un-announced, kick my door down in the middle of the night?

It shouldn't be legal unless they have a search warrant signed by a judge and the occupant of the home doesn't answer the door in a reasonable time period.

Again the problem is the failed war on drugs - they believe they are stopping the destruction of evidence by making a violent entry, but in the case were talking about here - it would of been impossible to destroy that much MJ so it's apparently standard OP to make violent entries - which is wrong in my opinion.

Instead of policing the general public they are acting like it is the rules of war in hostel territory in their violent entry. They are acting like they are going to have a potential violent response to their entry. Obviously they did not do their homework, but they've been trained to treat the people they work for as enemies looking to kill them. Something is wrong with the way cops are being trained today.

Originally posted by XTexan
Also, whats gonna happen when one of these storm trooper squads kicks down someones door they shouldnt have (i.e. someone with booby traps... terrorist, drug cartel, etc.) and a whole neighborhood gets blown sky high?

We all no what pussies cops have become today - All we need to to is look what happens when there is a real threat against them - they run. It happened in Seattle a few years ago at Mardi Gras and innocent civilians got killed by thugs because the cops where outnumbered and ran away like pussies. It happened in the LA riots after the Rodney King verdict and the cops ran like pussies and we know what the thugs did.

Cops today only want easy targets like worn out dope addicts peddling drugs & other low end dope houses where there is never any resistance. Also, they like people in their cars because they are an easy target and a certain revenue source. Note: we can't have tinted windows because they believe their safety and being able to see who''s money their going to take is more important than us getting skin cancer from not having tint. All they'd have to do is require people to roll their windows down when pulled over - but thats not enough they want to see you before they decide to pull you over.

Good cops? The only good cops are the ones you can avoid.

[edit on 10-8-2008 by verylowfrequency]

Originally posted by EnlightenUp
We The People could refuse to convict nonviolent offenders (in malum prohibitum cases such as this). That is really the last word and is supported by common law.

But the problem is that it'll never reach a Common Law Court...The vast majority of courtrooms in the USA are corporate/commercial entities that uphold the UCC as higher than the Constitution. It may even get to a "Summary Judgement" court that skips the jury process entirely. You can get a better idea of what I'm talking about over here & here.

No, the real problem is how bad the government has been stealing authority & quickly sliding into a police state mentality. This is not an isolated incident.
Here's some excepts from an article written over a year ago.
Source: Natural News

The empire turns its guns on the citizenry

In recent years, American police forces have called out SWAT teams 40,000 or more times annually. Last year did you read in your newspaper or hear on TV news of 110 hostage or terrorist events each day? No. What then were the SWAT teams doing? They were serving routine warrants to people who posed no danger to the police or to the public.

Occasionally Washington think tanks produce reports that are not special pleading for donors. One such report is Radley Balko's "Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America" (Cato Institute, 2006)...

...With local police forces now armed beyond the standard of U.S. heavy infantry, police forces have been retrained "to vaporize, not Mirandize," to use a phrase from Reagan administration Defense official Lawrence Korb. This leaves the public at the mercy of brutal actions based on bad police information from paid informers.

SWAT team deployments received a huge boost from the Byrne Justice Assistance Grant program, which gave states federal money for drug enforcement. Balko explains that "the states then disbursed the money to local police departments on the basis of each department's number of drug arrests."

With financial incentives to maximize drug arrests and with idle SWAT teams due to a paucity of hostage or other dangerous situations, local police chiefs threw their SWAT teams into drug enforcement. In practice, this has meant using SWAT teams to serve warrants on drug users...

...SWAT teams serve warrants by breaking into homes and apartments at night while people are sleeping, often using stun grenades and other devices to disorient the occupants. As much of the police's drug information comes from professional informers known as "snitches" who tip off police for cash rewards, dropped charges, and reduced sentences, names and addresses are often pulled out of a hat. Balko provides details for 135 tragic cases of mistaken addresses.

That article goes on further to say that these SWAT teams go so far as to pay off "informers" who are actually drug-dealers themselves...The "payoff" being that the cops let off the "informer" & even pay with money. Actual drug-criminals being able to determine which law-abiding citizens get raided by para-military squads? Sounds preposterous, but it's true...We're already living in a Police State.

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Just when I think it can't be any more of a travesty, you bring to light something that shows it to be an utter and complete travesty!

Earlier in this thread I posted a link to a map of botched raids by Radley Balko so I am aware there's nothing isolated about this. It's an epidemic. Not only of botched use of SWAT teams but use of SWAT teams for practically any kind of law enforcement operation. What's next? SWAT teams for forgetting a turn signal?

I wanted to pose a question regarding this case. I was under the impression that if something illegal was mailed to me, I am not responsible. The package was intercepted, shouldnt the feds have removed it from the mail at this point and gone after whoever shipped it? Maybe even contact the person (in a civilized manner) it was being sent to? What if there had been a bomb hidden in that package? If they intercepted it and inspected it, then re-packaged it and mailed it to Calvo, are they not guilty of mailing illegal drugs themselves? Seems to me that if they are aware of a drug ring that is mailing drugs to random houses, then they have no business raiding the recipients home...