Rebuttal In Defiance Of The GFL

Stared and flagged OP.
If the mods continue to look the other way, ATS IMO will deteriorate so much that probably after a year at least the UFO forum will be totally resembling godlikeproductions. LOL!
I am here because some people do great posts, not for the mods, the mods don't mind to have podcasts interviewing renowned scientists like M.Kaku and let words like "sex in the ufos" been heard repeatedly over and over from the interviewers, like there should be a point. What do you really expect?

Well, do I dare to speak like that about mods? What do I know. I don't visit much, I'm just one of those thousands of anonymous hits, every now and then. Only once in a while I actually take the time to post something. The taste I've been having from ATS lately feels weird. Visitors on occasion, like me don't have time to actually get to the board politics or the mods psychology, characters or traits, they just think, that someone is selling out his/her visitors.
Since many, even in a position of moderating on the internet, as everybody else, can be partially anonymous or even with a faked persona. Since no harm is going to get you, if no one knows who you really are, and you can get to be paid to act like you are for real, for some amount of time, its damn easy buck.
I am not saying that this is happening right here on ATS, but you know.. $hit happens and, we the people, either we are buyers, voters, forum visitors, we always end up being the last ones to know.

I have seen this before. There is a systematic destruction of internet hang outs where brilliant people gather and interesting views are being shared and that is going on from the dawn of the internet. Still for any forum or page they destroy, usually another pops up after a while. The problem is, when the old trusted sources acting as hangouts, fall from the credibility list, most people who used to peek here and there a few times, and that is a tremendous number of people, the actual majority of the sites hits to be exact, don't know where to turn to, to weigh and analyze any news they might consider strange and weird.

Old trusted hangouts, act like beacons. If you put out those beacons until new ones light up, people are forced to sail in the dark. Between those dark hours, a lot of things can be covered up..

Originally posted by Setharoo
Is there a way to treat the ATS like a democracy? We can already flag threads that we enjoy; why can't we vote to remove threads that we don't. Each and every person could have a voice and ever vote would count. There could be "Flags" for good threads and "Flops" for bad threads. If a thread receives more "flops" than "flags" in a predefined time period then the thread will be moved to a secondary category.

I really wonder if the term censorship can apply to an individual thread. Try to think of a thread like a small group of people you invite into your home to have a discussion with. Anyone can show up and give their opinions, but it is my right to kick their tush out the door if they cause trouble.

Just a thought. I am fairly new to ATS, but love the heck out of this place. Keep up the great work!

Starred and flagged.

[edit on 7-8-2008 by spacebot]

I don't know what i should think about GLF.But it looks sometimes they use the mass sightings as a way to fill their contend on the prophecy they plead for. For most of the people living in difficult times and in poverty this could be the solution they long waited for.And that scares me sometimes because you never know the real truth about such tellings.And that also gives me questionmarks.But does it contibutes to ufology i think not. And if ATS is only based on research they should banned such treads.For my own i do believe there are higher beings living in other dimensions we yet have to understand.But if such a thread comes along i sometimes read it and if my common sense says this is bull then click and pass on.

[edit on 11/02/2007 by 0bserver1]

reply to post by InfaRedMan


this sight almost lost me with the bacon and eggs for breakfast thread. i have posted some things about serious subjects only to get 1 or 2 comments and then it's gone.
the only thing that i can imagine thats happening here is that the average research level of the respondents is diminishing
4 PAGES ON BACON AND EGGS?
write about the economy or the 9-11 cover up and get ignored.
think about it. what seems to be missing? hmmmmmmm

I'm glad the GFL post has been removed and thank the moderators for doing so. I was thinking yesterday why such threads make me so angry and I came to the conclusion that it was because my reasons for entertaining paranormal ideas differ greatly from that of the GFL author. Many people look into this stuff because its dramatic or entertaining. I take this area very seriously because I believe there are true sciences in this phenomena that would help us to better understand the nature of our universe. I don't expect we'll come close to realising who or what we are in our lifetimes but I'd like to think each of us are contributing a tiny part to that final understanding by keeping our minds open and passing our ideas and our experiences onto our children. Posts like the GFL are distractions from that progression and serve only to further dilute the integrity of an already elusive truth.

Th9nker

Originally posted by Spectre0o0
reply to post by InfaRedMan

 

..4 PAGES ON BACON AND EGGS?
write about the economy or the 9-11 cover up and get ignored.
think about it. what seems to be missing? hmmmmmmm

sad sad

what about a self-censoring point system by members..something like a points poll for every thread.´every point counts´, and after,lets say, 100 negative points, the thread is closed.

another side effect of this, of course, would be a massive rise of ´new members´ every day.

( just kiddin, that wont work, the CIA-friendly posters here would just like to have something like that..)

cheers

Originally posted by Th8nker
I'm glad the GFL post has been removed and thank the moderators for doing so. Th9nker

Hi There Th8nker,

I wasn't aware that the GFL thread had been removed from the UFO/Aliens Board. If that's the case, then it's good news for the integrity and future of the serious researchers into this phenomena here at ATS... and might I add, some relief to many!

A big THANK YOU to the fine Moderators that watch over us, namely WyrdeOne, Spiderj, kleverone, yeahright, Sauron, Skyfloating and last but by no means least, NGC2736.

Big thumbs up to you guys/gals

Admittedly, I've been working all day and only checking back on the direction/progress of this thread as everyones thoughts on the topic are interesting to me. It's nice to see the community draw together when we need to!

So... it's safe to go back to the board is it?

IRM

[edit on 7/8/08 by InfaRedMan]

I am among the majority here in not knowing what the think about some threads here, particularly with the GLF. I don't know if the poster about the GLF visit over Alabama is sincere or just another nut looking for someone to pick them up from the vine.

I will say this in concern for everyone posting and reading here. I do not know if aliens in general exist or not. I've read ufo books since I was about 10 yrs old (I'll be 49 on 9/11) and the subject has fascinated me for years.

I will say that it is total arrogance on our part to believe that WE are alone in the universe, particularly since the newest Mars lander discovered ice/water on Mars. Why do you suppose that we have science projects that continue to look for life out there? I think that deep down, each of us suspects that we are not alone and proof would be icing on the cake.

In recent weeks, the US Government has been moving toward disclosure of whatever they have been hiding from us for over 60 years. I don't buy the arguement that they haven't told us because they don't believe we could handle the truth. On the contrary, I believe we will handle the truth.

The GLF stuff, if true, would certainly mean that we have been judging others harshly and that maybe we should re-examine our positions and beliefs a bit.

What bothered me the most about the GLF posting was that they supposedly picked Alabama as a place to park their craft. Why not right over the white house or Cleveland or Dallas or Denver or Salt Lake City or LA or San Francisco? Frankly, they should just park on the white house lawn for all to see, if true, and get disclosure over with. More folks believe in the Bible than believe that life might exist out in the universe.

I appreciate all of you and your posts on the subject. Thank You !

To the MODS and Owner of this site ..... KUDOS to you. A job well done !!!

Hey buddy,

I have no idea whether it was deleted but it certainly isn't centre stage. I commented on the thread yesterday and the guy after me mentioned closing the thread until the date of the prophecy on October 15th. I jumped to the conclusion it had been closed but I can't confirm that. Sorry. I need to be more specific next time.

Th9nker

how the hell did this on here anyway how does someone no about this, anyways it probz wont happen but if it does i would be surprised, and don't you think the government would cover this story up.... its a bit to much to be honest i think its aload of bull


anyways if it happens i will believe and we know we are not alone but i doubt that.

reply to post by Setharoo


The "negative flagging" was tried some time ago, but it was used more as a weapon than as a way of classifying threads, virtual groups of people could "negative flag" the thread if it was from someone they did not liked, and if they were faster than those who really like the thread the thread would look as a bad thread without even having been really read.

reply to post by Th8nker

The thread was not deleted or moved, it's still there, with its 16 flags and 15 stars for the opening post.

Apparently, the mods were right in letting it stay as it was, the result was that the thread is starting to be "submerged" by other, more active, threads, like this one.

Survival of the fittest, some people doubt that it really has been proved in Nature, but it works on ATS.

Lets wait until October 14th...

A simple solution would be to have a forum dedicated to Predictions/possible hoax or as I have said on many occasions, all threads that say Theres an alien in my bedroom as I type or I am being abducted as I type should be questioned by the mods accordingly.

All threads that claim to have evidence of ALIENS and UFOS should have to provide photos or video evidence with their first post to stop alot of time wasting and unecessay trawling.




[edit on 7-8-2008 by franspeakfree]

[edit on 7-8-2008 by franspeakfree]

reply to post by InfaRedMan


Hi OP,

Star & flag from me.

This forum is starting to become a big pile of s$it. Too bad because I like it so please Modo's do your job right and don't let cult freaks post here.

Peace ya all.
Europa aka Buckwild

"Good, Productive, Members" ---OMG The whole site, except for the news items is speculative. What's the harm in some free entertainment. Maybe, just maybe one of these crazies will be right someday. There were so many sightings last year that even Hynek came out of retirement.
Imagine turning on Coast to Coast with Noory hosting, and there Hynek was talking about UFO stuff like it was 20 years ago.
If another war is started, say in the middle east, expect another mass wave of sightings. Word.

reply to post by franspeakfree


There's a "Predictions forum", but it's supposed to be

for the discussion of predictions from modern previously-published clairvoyants (with links), ancient prophecies, and not the random posting of member's predictions

There is also the "Skunk Works" forum, but people may not like to create their threads there. Some have been moved to there, a forum that is presented in this way:

This forum is dedicated to the all-important highly speculative topics that may not be substantiated by many, if any facts and span the spectrum of topics discussed on ATS.

There is also the "Gray Area" forum, recently created.

The Gray Area is a discussion forum that provides a dedicated area for members to post their confessions, disclosures, and related extraordinary personal experiences. Like the highly speculative Skunk Works forum, The Gray Area will tolerate topics that may be unusually hypothetical or unproven for the purpose of vetting the stories of thread-starters by the ATS membership at large.

reply to post by ArMaP


Thanks again ArMaP for posting links to the various other boards and giving detailed explanations of their criteria. Hopefully anyone reading this thread that may have inclinations similar to that of the GFL will post there instead!

Best,
IRM

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
reply to post by Cuhail

 

I understand where your coming from Cuhail, and thanks for piping in with your words of wisdom - but how do you discredit, rebut or disprove a negative?


IRM

you don't discredit, rebut or disprove anything by simply eliminating the source

if you actually feel that is your mission

it seems that you want something to just "go away" because it doesn't agree with your particular sensibilities

you think it's about protecting credibility - protecting your particular area of interest

keeping the standards high enough that the subject matter can be researched in a manner you deem as being serious and responsible

but it's actually a form of intellectual laziness

I know this sounds like a personal attack - but it's not - it's going on everywhere -

even "out there" in the real world - politics, science, religion - pick your poison

people don't want to think

people don't want to deal with anything that doesn't fit into their world view

I can't believe this even has to be discussed here at ATS

what you don't seem to see is - if it were up to anybody else - if there were someone out there who had the power - ATS would just go away

because it's absolute nonsense - the entire site

your serious attention to the ufology is a complete waste of brain cells and electricity to many people - and they'd shut you up in a heartbeat - simply because they don't respect you - and you annoy them

get it?

in a relative universe - your opinion means absolutely nothing to a great many people

my entire time here - I haven't read one single word - except what's been referenced in other threads - about the GFL

it affects me not at all

why is that?

Why should the Mods *HAVE* to lock and delete threads? Trolls are a problems, but all know trolls have to eat. If you don't feed the trolls they will go away. Locking their threads, and deleting their accounts just seems to get them to start new accounts and new threads. Also when the GFL mother ship does land, you're all gonna feel real stupid. LOL!

Originally posted by prestonberryworth
Why should the Mods *HAVE* to lock and delete threads?

The reasons vary, but, usually it is due to it being either very disruptive, a moot topic or theat a thread on the topic already exists.

Trolls are a problems, but all know trolls have to eat. If you don't feed the trolls they will go away.

Kinda like the raccoons that want my trash. Strap down the lid or they'll always leave a mess.

Locking their threads, and deleting their accounts just seems to get them to start new accounts and new threads.

But it sets a precedent. Yes, you can just re-register and continue posting garbage, but, the Mods are VERY good at recognizing patterns of posting and will do an IP check and see if it matches a banned member. They're on it. Sometimes, sometimes the member who was banned sees that they screwed up and post more maturely as their new screen-name and Mods/Admin may give them a break. It's happened on a few occasions.

Also when the GFL mother ship does land, you're all gonna feel real stupid. LOL!

Yeah....you count on that. I go on as usual.


Cuhail

Many of you agree that it can be hard to find a thread that has hard work gone into it and not just a some crappy testimonial or terrible evidence advertised and ground breaking. I am a new member and put the effort into analysing a NASA video, i started the thread hoping for opinions on what might be in the video. Now i know my post does contain a link to youtube but i did do a search on it and found the longest thread on it 4 pages to be from 2005 so i thought a fresh look at it might be OK.
Have i made a faux pas? 300 views and noone seems interested. Please have a look at the animation and tell me what you think.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Spiramirabilis


I'm sorry but I cannot follow one word of your disjointed gobbledygook! Perhaps you should put some thought into your words before you post!

BTW - Why use so many carriage returns? Seems you feel by using more space, your words will somehow carry more gravity? Or perhaps it's a cry for attention?

Anyhow, to sum up, I don't care how you feel and I don't care for your brand of logic (if that's what you wish to call it).

And if the entire ATS is complete nonsense - why don't you just go away? Stop wasting your precious brain energy!

If you look like a troll, walk like a troll and quack like a troll.... Get It?

You've lost me! Why is that?


IRM