Disgusting election taints ATS... Stand up and shut up!

Originally posted by jetxnet

Better Sand than Glass Krazy (such as this thread is).

Why don't you go post in the new thread titled "Hitler would vote for McCain and MLK Jr. would vote for Obama".

Is this not the kind of threads you are talking about? If not, then quit your crying. Man-up Dawg, man-up.

1) Glad you skipped my suggestion to support your assertion. I doubted you would because I don't think you have much intent on having any kind of reasonable conversation.

2) Why would I post in that thread when my suggestion is to ignore foolishness?

3) I tire of foolishness and ignorance (something this site purports to want to deny). It's not crying to post about elevating the level of discourse.

Get over yourself big boy, your tongue isn't that sharp nor your wit so cutting. I think I can get by without your advise.

Make an argument, support it, continue discussing it without a sarcastic or sour tone and then maybe I'll think a little more of you.

Until then you don't interest me much.

Originally posted by W3RLIED2
My post had no intention of throwing gas on the fire. It's true, almost every message board on this sight has some body trying to bring it down.

The people that try to derail and make people angry are trolls, hence the troll spray. Sorry if it rubbed you the wrong way.... maybe you were effected by its contents!!! that was a joke please dont be mad at me

I'm not angry with you. I was simply pointing out that by calling someone a troll, all you succeed in doing is angering them. Then they'll just redouble their efforts.

If you don't like what someone is saying, ignore it. If it's truly offensive, the moderators will deal with them. that's their job..

reply to post by LLoyd45


Agreed, but can i keep my spray picture handy??? It makes me laugh.

Originally posted by W3RLIED2
Agreed, but can i keep my spray picture handy??? It makes me laugh.

I'd say that's between you and the moderators. I was simply trying to save you a few points and a lot of grief.

Originally posted by LLoyd45
"Yes", I did read through them, and they speak for themselves. Your McCain article entitle "McCain the pathological liar" was wrong on many levels. The most obvious being you violated posting rules by creating your own inflammatory title rather than using the actual title. Care to comment on why you chose to do that? If that isn't a clear example of trolling, I don't know what is. I'm surprised the moderators allowed you to get away with it.

Changing the subject a bit?

Let's go back to what you said, okay?

You said my past threads were propaganda trash and those arguing that the political debate needs to become more civil in this thread are the worst offenders. You have yet to prove what propaganda I or the others have used when we are simply saying that the debate needs to be about issues not "Shari law", "birth certificates", "reparations" or "African terrorists".

Trolls are rarely calling for a civil discussion and just keep accusing the accuser when someone calls them on their actions. It's called deflection.

What I find funny is that you mock the OP's past threads as being trivial but create one about "Crack Spiders?"

Okie dokie.
You don't have a point here.

Your own posts and threads are proof enough. If you haven't noticed, nobody is defending your actions..

Which is supposed to mean what exactly?
People defending my actions prove they are valid?

People agreeing with your arguments or subjective opinion on a subject do not make them any more right or wrong. There are some arguing that there is a "kitten skull/human skull" on mars. If enough people agree than disagree does this make it an actual skull? In a forum overrun by a certain group chances are they will agree with those that share their ideas.

Means absolutely nothing.

By your logic though, you should pipe down right now because if you haven't noticed some people are criticizing your actions. Many agree with the OP...more so in terms of the stars...than your initial post rebuking him.

Guess he's right then?

FYI: there are other ways a member can express agreement with another member without giving a public "star" being given.

Ever hear of U2U?

Both threads were your attempt to cause the same type of disruptive behavior on the board that you say you oppose. Own up to your own actions.

I can't argue this as it is your own personal opinion.

What I posted were facts or a commentary on the current low brow political discourse and not an attempt to pass of a hoaxed chain mail as truth, a poor use of baseless fear-mongering, a vitriolic accusation that is completely unfounded, or just paranoid speculations.

I'm glad to hear it. Be happy in your work.

I can see that you are.

If you like the garbage Obama threads just say so, but stop trying to loosely tie everyone who disagrees with those tactics to doing the same thing. You are failing no matter how many stars you get.

I think you are arguing for the sake of arguing and like most without a point, accusing the accusers to deflect from the facts even if your accusations are unsubstantiated.

I'll stop here and be done with this, as I see your game.
I'll let you get back to work.


- Lee

[edit on 4-8-2008 by lee anoma]

people's opinion is like the old saying.

opinion's are like Ahole we all got them..

so why does it hurt if someone think's obama is a muslim..it's there belief..remember he says believe lol and hope..they also have hope he is a muslim..so in a way they are only doing what obama says anyways lol

this is a conspiracy forum...
to not wonder if a candidate is muslim or not...not a legal citizen..list goes on
is a conspiracy.

but on the other hand thread's like NO ONE WANTS TO VOTE FOR BARRACK OBAMA CAUSE HE IS BLACK thread..

breed racist talk to flame. >>>>POST HERE WE WANT A RACE WAR THREAD

*sigh*
This has always brought to mind 2 cliche truisms..

1: Freedom of speech is not what you say, but what you allow others to say.

2: Stupid people breed at greater than a 2 to 1 ratio than the smart.

Thus we can conclude that as time passes, more and more stupid people will have more and more stupid things to say while trying to halt other people's speech.

I would love to see zero candidate stuff on a site like this because, I can read all that on countless other sites. I come to this site because the conspiracies and metaphysical items fascinate me, not because I believe in them-but because I want to-just not sold completely.

In the meantime I went through one night and 'Ignored' everyone in a thread I could that used homophobic slurs or seems psychotically religious... I quickly ran out of ignore slots, now I just see those threads feel some disgust and go to some other website, which unfortunately is happening more and more.

I agree with this post, most definitely! Starred and flagged, man. All I've seen lately is people calling Obama a commie because of a flag with Che Guevara on it. Come on, why hasn't anyone suspected photoshop, yet? And all the rumours, outright lies, and other such bull is just getting sickening. Can we, for once, really THINK about what we're going to post? "McCain is a fascist." OK, that's nice. Please back up your opinion. What do YOU define as fascist? Has McCain done anything that would define himself as a fascist? I'm not saying that he is or isn't one, I'm just saying that you should back up your opinions.

And can everyone stop using communism as a synonym for fascism? They're not really the same. Communism was supposed to be stateless, so evidently, there is no communist STATE, because communism is, again, supposed to be stateless! I believe they're referring to socialism. I could go on for a while.

reply to post by Quazga

Originally posted by Quazga

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by jsobecky

Originally posted by intrepid
And what makes you think he isn't a conservative? Because he doesn't want to wallow in the mud?

So, conservatives like to wallow in the mud? Nice "community building" there, pal.

Reread that and you'll have your answer.

Good Grief, why are you changing Intrepids words?

Freedom of speech ends with your own.

Please. I merely made his sentences less cumbersome to read. He in effect said

"A is not a conservative because he does not want to wallow in the mud."

Which is the same as saying

"A is a conservative because he wants to wallow in the mud."

Now either he made a mistake, or he believes that conservatives want to wallow in the mud.

He said that right after he said he believes in "community building". I asked him to clarify.

See how that works?

reply to post by intrepid

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by jetxnet

Frankly I don't care about Obama or McCain, in fact I'm not even American. I DO care about ATS and these threads bring the intelligence curve on the board to near zero

I just saw this .. and the all the Alien abduction and ghost stories on ATS don't?? Give me a break.

What's your point and how does it relate to this topic?

It's pretty obvious what his point is. He's saying you don't exhibit the same diligence in those threads as you do in threads where you have the chance to attack conservatives.

As someone stated, there are plenty of Bush/McCain bashing threads "John McCain is Racist" that are beyond rediculous yet you have nothing to say about those. Stay out of US politics if you claim neutral, which obviously you're not.

Originally posted by intrepid
Hmm, second neocon that has accused me of something without proving it(Waiting on yours JSO). Is that all you guys have? Innuendo and attack?

Like I said earlier, no prob, the reader sees what's going on.

Neo-cons? Resorting to name calling, Intrepid? Is this more of your "community building"?

"The reader sees what is going on"? We're all readers, Intrepid, and we do see what is going on. It sounds like you're appealing to the forum for help, support, and validation. Some might call it "gang tactics".

You've managed to turn this thread into a discussion of yourself. I am done playing that game, and will not respond to baiting any more.

KJ, you were right - just ignore the trolls.

Try standing on your own merits, Intrepid. It's exhilirating!

I don't mind when people attack the politicians with "FACTS" or some sort of source that backs up what they are saying..

Like this thread, John McCain is a racist, has a source where you can go to.

But this thread, Hitler would vote for McCain-MLK for Obama, is just pure conjecture from somebody that I don't like seeing.

I'm by no means a McCain fan, but I still think the second thread is wrong.

If you are going to start name calling politicians, you should at least be able to back it up with reliable sources, the key word here being reliable.

with all due respect to the OP:

I have to agree with llyod on this one.

This is what political discussion is. pointing out the flaws in the opposing candidates.

I *DO* agree with the OP in the regards of actual quality of the thread as it pertains to real concerns.

Example: McCains age has every bit as much to do with his ability to run for president as Obama's skin color.

Both are moot points.


Judging by the extreme amounts of "stars and flags" that numerous threads (just liek this one) get every time they're posted, its safe to say most people either agree, or feel they are supposed to agree.

In either event, if you feel the decision 2008 forums, in its entirety, is posting garbage, and non-issues (i believe thats a wrong assertion, but anyways)

if you feel im wrong - why not post your own stuff?

I see lots of people complain about the decision 2008 forums

but i see nobody "doing anything" to change them to a manner they see fit.

If you want to see how the "issues" get treated.

Voting records speak for themselves

is close to page 4 now. Long since died. It covered, in its raw form, the issues.

It appears to me that the masses only like to appear that the issues are important to them.

All other attempts at posts like mien that i linked above have been killed off by the masses.

So we normal posters are left with two options:

1.) Go to another forum
2.) Fight fire with fire, and try to make our fire burn hotter and brigther

You, yourself, are left with the same two choices

Just my 2 cents.

Originally posted by jsobecky
"The reader sees what is going on"? We're all readers, Intrepid, and we do see what is going on. It sounds like you're appealing to the forum for help, support, and validation. Some might call it "gang tactics".

I don't need anyones help mate. I can handle myself just fine. I'm merely pointing out that anyone reading this sees what you refuse to.

You've managed to turn this thread into a discussion of yourself. I am done playing that game, and will not respond to baiting any more.

Dude, do you have a memory problem? YOU came at me. YOU made it about me.

Try standing on your own merits, Intrepid. It's exhilirating!

Now you're just being silly. Why don't you come back to this conversation when you can post something other than personal junk.

Originally posted by LiquidTheBrit0
All I've seen lately is people calling Obama a commie because of a flag with Che Guevara on it. Come on, why hasn't anyone suspected photoshop, yet? And all the rumours, outright lies, and other such bull is just getting sickening.

Sorry, but it's true! Obama did have flags and pictures with Che Guevara posted in campaign offices. Time to step into reality and realize these are actual pictures and not something done in photoshop. Why does he have these posted? You are quick to call McCain a fascist when your Messiah is the actual socialist.

Here are the pictures you mentioned which are not photoshopped:

So when you add:



+



It equals and gives you:



[edit on 5-8-2008 by WhatTheory]

Originally posted by lee anoma
Changing the subject a bit?

No, I just wanted you to comment on why you violated posting rules and changed the article title into something much more inflammatory? If you were not trying to antagonize or bait posters, what was your purpose?

Let's go back to what you said, okay?

You said my past threads were propaganda trash and those arguing that the political debate needs to become more civil in this thread are the worst offenders. You have yet to prove what propaganda I or the others have used when we are simply saying that the debate needs to be about issues not "Shari law", "birth certificates", "reparations" or "African terrorists".

So, "McCain the psychopathic liar" is not trash posting or propaganda, but topics like "birth certificates", "reparations" or "African terrorists are?

Trolls are rarely calling for a civil discussion and just keep accusing the accuser when someone calls them on their actions. It's called deflection.

Learned a new word there, huh? Deflection is your thing, not mine.

What I find funny is that you mock the OP's past threads as being trivial but create one about "Crack Spiders?"

It was meant for entertainment purposes and placed in skunk Works Lee. You didn't see it posted in the Decision 2008 forum did you?

I'm not even going to dignify the rest of your post with an answer. It's just so much rambling.. I guess you must be a proponent of quantity is better than quality when writing.


[edit on 5-8-2008 by LLoyd45]

Hmm... Let's see

en.wikipedia.org...

Forty years after his execution, Che's life and deeds still remain a contentious issue.

Some view Che Guevara as a hero;[110] for example, Nelson Mandela referred to him as "an inspiration for every human being who loves freedom" while Jean-Paul Sartre described him as "not only an intellectual but also the most complete human being of our age."

reply to post by WhatTheory


Maybe because Obama doesn't personally approve every poster put up in every campaign office across the country (or for that matter every single person that works on his campaign)?

In fact, I'd be willing bet Obama doesn't even personally choose the decor or brand of pencils used at his campaign offices... that lazy $&#^&!!!

And back on topic, thank you for giving us a perfect example of the kind of idiotic nonsense that this thread is complaining about

Welcome to my ignore list - after spending too much effort quelling my temper when I have to reply to stuff like this, I've decided to simply add a bunch of people who reliably have nothing to say to my ignore list.

I don't like the idea at all, I prefer to discuss things people coming from with a wide variety of viewpoints, but I've decided it's the simplest possible way of preventing myself from being baited by trolls every time I log on to ATS.

Originally posted by xmotex
Maybe because Obama doesn't personally approve every poster put up in every campaign office across the country (or for that matter every single person that works on his campaign)?

Ok, whatever you say.
Keep looking the other way. Boy, it sure does seem like Obama does not know a lot about his organization along with his past associations.

And back on topic, thank you for giving us a perfect example of the kind of idiotic nonsense that this thread is complaining about

No, it's not.
Those are actual pictures from his campaign and not some made up possibly theory.

reply to post by Quazga

What the OP is talkign about is the "civility of the debate".

Really, open a thread and let's debate something besides "OBAMAS A SOCIALIST"

Unfortunately, what you and the OP are trying to do, is stifle debate, when you don't agree with the thread.
A case in point is the above quote. 228 ATS members HAVE debated that statement that Obama is a socialist, in a thread I created. I personally believe that the FACTS PROVE that he is a socialist. In addition, several Obama supporters agreed that he is, but saw nothing wrong with that.
Many members put forth facts that support that contention.
The interesting thing is that in that entire thread, there was virtually NO incivility.
I don't think anyone has the right to say what SHOULD or SHOULD NOT be debated.
Maybe if there were better candidates, the threads might reflect more positive arguments, but that doesn't seem to be the case this election. In fact, if anything, the threads are MORE CIVIL than the actual campaigns that the candidates are waging.
I would suggest refraining from telling people WHAT they should debate. To do so is pure censorship, and such suggestions, if enforced, will mean a loss of many members.

ATS is about discussion, it's about conspiracy, it's about saying whats on your mind no matter what it may be. No matter how bad it gets sometimes I still read through the garbage and dirt to find my own diamond in the ruff. So what if there's trolls, ignore them, so what if someone suggest a candidate is racist, it's their opinion, so what if someone hates a candidate and refuses to agree or disagree with an OP or a poster. It's called discussion whether it be intelligent or not. To me it's comedy sometimes with some intellect and a little conspiracy all rapped in one.

Thanks amigo's for letting it stay true to free speech and debate. It's a learning experience that makes me come back for more. With the bad and the good ATS rocks. I find myself looking in all the wrong places for answers every once in a while and I've found them in the strangest places.