Question for all past and present Military personel!

Originally posted by X Legion
Sounds like that would qualify as an unlawful order, in which case you could refuse the order and place the issuing officer under arrest if he still persisted or attempted to order someone else...

Of course this would not be an easy thing to do, but in writing you would be correct to do just that..

Something similar happened in Vietnam where a chopper pilot was ordered to fire on civilians fleeing a village that had been "zippo raided" by US troops. The pilot refused the order and actually provided covering fire to the fleeing women and children, landed to evacuate them and Im pretty sure he arrested or spoke out enough so that the officer in question was arrested and charged with war crimes.. Im sure some of you guys know most of the details, dont hesitate to correct me if im wrong..

The above example would fit a good "backed up" answer to your OP nicely I should think...

I think that was a movie.

Being military, it's our duty to defend against all enemys, foreign, and DOMESTIC. If you watch the movie "The Siege" that would be the closest we would ever come to that scenario. Unless we got totally invaded, Red Dawn style, I don't see it happening nor would I as a military member, retired, turn on my government as depicted in this thread. If GWB turns into a reptilian head chomping mass murderer then he can talk to 44+ million weapon owners. No other country in the world has that many armed citizens. Not even texas!

As a former knuckle dragger I can say I would NOT follow orders. I would apperar to be, but I would be cutting fuel lines and destroying our own equipment from the inside. Loose a few cases of NVD batteries and we just lost our "edge". A .308 through the nose cone of most all aircraft will put it on the shelf for a week at least. Several things could and would be done to make the power hungry give up. The military moves only as fast as it can get supplies. Cut that off and you can stop the biggest baddest army on earth. SOF guys would be at home drinking beer and watching the rest of us idiots on CNN.

Originally posted by Wifiman

Originally posted by X Legion
Sounds like that would qualify as an unlawful order, in which case you could refuse the order and place the issuing officer under arrest if he still persisted or attempted to order someone else...

Of course this would not be an easy thing to do, but in writing you would be correct to do just that..

Something similar happened in Vietnam where a chopper pilot was ordered to fire on civilians fleeing a village that had been "zippo raided" by US troops. The pilot refused the order and actually provided covering fire to the fleeing women and children, landed to evacuate them and Im pretty sure he arrested or spoke out enough so that the officer in question was arrested and charged with war crimes.. Im sure some of you guys know most of the details, dont hesitate to correct me if im wrong..

The above example would fit a good "backed up" answer to your OP nicely I should think...

I think that was a movie.

Being military, it's our duty to defend against all enemys, foreign, and DOMESTIC. If you watch the movie "The Siege" that would be the closest we would ever come to that scenario. Unless we got totally invaded, Red Dawn style, I don't see it happening nor would I as a military member, retired, turn on my government as depicted in this thread. If GWB turns into a reptilian head chomping mass murderer then he can talk to 44+ million weapon owners. No other country in the world has that many armed citizens. Not even texas!

It was no movie Wifiman, of that at least Im certain.

I saw a documentary, during which they interviewed the said chopper pilot..

Make a good movie plot though!

www.law.umkc.edu...:


Check it out guys...

Seems decent folk are more than willing and able If you know what I mean..

Anything is possible..

Originally posted by Smokinbbl
What would you do if you found out that the government you worked for was a lie... And what would you do if you where givin an asignment to go into the streets, and start aresting / killing American civilians?

Or my favorite.. What would you do if you were ordered to go house to house and start confiscating legal guns from law abiding citizens?

What if our government went crazy, and started killing American citizens? How could we get out of it?

If the order is unlawful you can refuse to do it. Know the law.Educate your self on the bill of rights.Believe it or not soldiers are not robots.There are things you can do if you feel as thou the orders you are given are unlawful.

[edit on 3-8-2008 by Tricky63]

reply to post by jwstarry


You bring up good points, I never even thought of Blackwater, or maybe even NATO, or UN troops!


I dont think those orders would ever be fallowed..