"twoofer"

Originally posted by billybob
why is this insult allowed to continue?
please, mods, disallow the use of this derogatory term.
it belittles ATS to have it all over the threads.

I couldn't agree more.

However, it's nothing new.

People have always sought, in the face of a sophisticated opposition comprised of individuals, to reduce them to the lowest common denominator and label them all as one.

Witness for example, any racial epithet you care to mention.

First you dehumanise, then you negate.

However, I am of the opinion that when you label something, you only define yourself. Perhaps by the way people choose to address each other, we can have an insight into their own mindset.

Take the word and make it your own, answer by saying, yeah why dont you believe in the twooth, once you own it it is no longer an insult.

this has happened with many words that started out as insults, racial and sexuality being good examples, I wont go into the words you all prob know the ones i mean.

Originally posted by pstiffy
I've never personally seen it before, but according to Urban Dictionary it is:

1. derogatory term for those on the outer edges of the 9/11 truth movement.
2. derogatory term for any conspiracy theorist or political extremist who regularly uses the phrase 'speaking truth to power'

If Urban Dictionary can agree that it's a derogatory term, as it obviously is, why can't ATS agree upon the same? Specifically in the 9/11 forums this kind of blanket-insulting is supposed to be cracked down upon.

So who is the moderating genius who decided that "twoofer" is not an insult?

I can understand hesitancy about reacting to "truther," but "twoofer"? Really?

Originally posted by whoswatchinwho
Take the word and make it your own, answer by saying, yeah why dont you believe in the twooth, once you own it it is no longer an insult.

Some of us actually speak to each other like adults.

[edit on 23-9-2009 by bsbray11]

and why not killing the peoples using the word "twoofer" ?
Or call the police and denounce them ?
or shoot their families ?

You're all right, the word "twoofer" is so insulting!

we could ban the ppls using it, or maybe we could burn all the medias using that word.

seem to be a good solution

pathetic

IMO, this is a site full of very smart people and very ignorant people and all stages in between. In a rational exchange of information and data, or, even a simple conversation, a derogatory lowers the value of the conversation for BOTH sides of the discussion.
In the Terms and Conditions of use, set up for EVERY member of ATS, from Springer on down, there is a rule:

2) Behavior: You will not behave in an abusive, hateful, intolerant, bigoted and/or racist manner, and will not harass, threaten, nor attack anyone.

The calling of derogatory names falls DIRECTLY under that rule and should not be tolerated. Period. It's insulting and it's bigoted. We can't decide issue by issue if it's against the rules. It either is acceptable by ATS T&C or it is NOT acceptable by ATS T&C.

If it's against T&C, why is it tolerated?

Cuhail

I had never even heard of the word until I read your post , you gotta admit though... It is funny. I think you're taking this WAY to seriously , we have enough censoring on this site now you want to add "Twoofer" I wouldn't see it as an insult.... Its a Badge of courage. The Twoof wiwl set you Fwee

reply to post by EyesWideShut


Can you give me some examples of censoring? No really. You think "Twoofer" is funny. So be it. You are totally allowed to think it's funny. But, is it derogatory when used how it is on ATS or not?

Cuhail

I noticed that a lot of curses - albeit minor ones - and other insults are being allowed here, but, of course, how can we be sure that they are really being allowed? Maybe the mods just don't see some curses sometimes unless they are reported. Despite this, though, ATS is great in terms of monitoring such things.

It's VERY tough for the Mods to keep up. There are two processes that will help the Mods do this kind of inane forum work.

1) People need to just hit the Alert! button where they think there's a problem with attacks or belittleing.

2) Personal responsability when posting. If you need to belittle the poster to push your point, you are a problem as well.

It's been a long standing unwritten rule that every poster is due the same Courtesy despite what the subject is. Courtesy comes from the reader and replyer. Courtesy keeps the neighborhood nice.

ABOUT ATS: General ATS discussion etiquette is another source of ATS standards, long written to protect the ATS Member from degrading treatment by fellow members. Read it. It should be plainly evident that "Twoofer" is not allowed by any stretch.

It's squarely on the poster using it. It's meant to demean.

Cuhail

I see a lot of deniers being called Ostriches and Sheeple, no mention of that being banned.

Twoofer seems surprisingly mild.

Thanks for bringing this heinous crime to our attention.

reply to post by Retseh

It's not a heinous crime, but, there are those of us that follow the posted rules and don't understand what's so tough about being nice. Having a base level of respect for our fellow members regardless of their views or opinions. Agree to disagree. Present a valid argument without name calling.
It's all a matter of a conscious positive attitude with a shared intended result. The truth.
It's not about heinous or harmless. It's a focus on the rules we need to follow while being ALLOWED to use this private medium.

I will simply say that, if "twoofer" is going to be banned, "sheeple" should be banned, too. It's a two way street.

Mod Note : U2U Messages are not to be posted in public.

Thanks,


[edit on 25-9-2009 by elevatedone]

Originally posted by billybob
it's a 'truther' as pronounced by a two-year old.

it is an insult.

That being the case, the originator of the term should be known as a, "wyer"

Originally posted by Cuhail
ABOUT ATS: General ATS discussion etiquette is another source of ATS standards, long written to protect the ATS Member from degrading treatment by fellow members. Read it. It should be plainly evident that "Twoofer" is not allowed by any stretch.
It's squarely on the poster using it. It's meant to demean.
Cuhail

Originally posted by Cuhail
The calling of derogatory names falls DIRECTLY under that rule and should not be tolerated. Period. It's insulting and it's bigoted. We can't decide issue by issue if it's against the rules. It either is acceptable by ATS T&C or it is NOT acceptable by ATS T&C.
If it's against T&C, why is it tolerated?
Cuhail

Here here, and amen!
I have to add my two cents as well, I'm sick of being generalized a truther, a twoofer, or any variant of the word. It's obviously meant to be a degrading remark or insult, yet post after post, it's tolerated. If we were to respond to that with calling proponents of the antithesis liars or Lie-ers, it would be dealt with quickly.
I think after that Alex Jones u2u, the bias is becomming transparent here, and this whole 'truther' bit is a pathetic insider attempt at creating and associating what intelligence agencies term a 'stop word', like space aliens or conspiracy. The same as when ATS added the title '911 conspiracy theories' rather than just 9-11. Shame really when the topic and it's discussion is probably what put this site on the map to begin with.
I came here to discuss conspiracy related material with what used to be a like minded community, now it's just a frustrating exercise in futility. NOw I'm just here to be belittled and argue with people apparently... That's all well and good, it was perhaps inevitable, but if there's going to be rules of civility here, then simply apply them, fairly. Truther is an insult, and yeah, so is sheeple, and twoofer, and any number of derrogatory terms, but why is this one tolerated?

Originally posted by Cuhail
Can you give me some examples of censoring?

I probably could, try starting a thread about endogenous tryptamines or obelisks being masonic here and watch the fire works.

[edit on 24-9-2009 by twitchy]

It is pretty annoying when you are just trying to have a reasonable discussion with people about non-mainstream topics and they just can't lay off the personal insults. Why bother having a discussion in which you input sometimes up to hundreds of words that you have spent considerable time thinking about and carefully phrasing when some person can 'counter' your argument with a single word or petty insult?

I don't think we have to start banning individual words, but I do think that concerned parties should use the alert button if it is getting excessive. I do understand the OP's sentiments. The fact is that unfortunately ridicule can be a highly-effective persuasive strategy and it is used way too much in certain forums by members on both sides.

Originally posted by Albastion
I don't think we have to start banning individual words, but I do think that concerned parties should use the alert button if it is getting excessive.

I agree. Not just excessive. Any time when you see the word "twoofer" or "troofer" at all, alert/report it. It is a violation of the specific 9/11 forum rules, it just isn't being enforced.

You can give me example after example of what you term "Censoring", but, this is a privately-owned site and you agree to a list of rules in return for being able to post and share in the website.
You agreed, by registering, to refrain from bringing certain topics to the Forums. When you do so, you break the rules of use that the owners set up and you agreed to. Luckily for you, they don't ban you for the practice right off and just send you a U2U saying that your post was removed for you (so it wouldn't be generally known that what you said, broke the rules) and this is why.
Censorship does not happen here. It's up to YOU what YOU write, be it an acceptable post in the light of bringing the thread's topic forward, or, an unacceptable (on ATS at least) post, knowing that you have Rules and Regs (T&C) to follow and blatantly deciding to ignore them.

The word choices in your posts are always yours to make. It's the Moderators job to decide whether or not they are acceptable to Terms and Conditions of use. You are either left alone if they are good to go, or, informed if they are not.

Pretty clear.
Cuhail

De twoofers ah just like da berfers, day alls is silly.

My faverat is dem Ufollajists, day r cool.

Seems to me that the person using that work 'twoofer' reveals his level of intelligence as being around that of a two year old..

And thus his/her opinion has little value...

Next time ask that person if they still use those pacifiers

That ought to stop them