Horror as bus passenger beheaded

reply to post by cannonfodder


is that a joke?
what diffrence would a gun have made?
well heres an example:

1) the dude gets stabbed once and screams

i turn around

2) the dude may have been stabbed twice by now i see it pull the gun out

3) i fire the gun blowing crazy dude brains everywhere

the kid may have 4 stabbing wounds, 5 at max.
he could be given medical treatment and may have survived.

instead the wimpy canucks run from the bus and hide and wait for the police. by the time the police get there the kids head is chopped off. thats something surgery and ducktape cant fix...

yeah. a gun wouldnt have changed anything.
lets let the crazies run around chopping everyones heads off. the police will fix everything.

Originally posted by cannonfodder
reply to post by TheRepublic

 

What difference would have having a gun made... you wouldn't have saved the guy who was stabbed. If you were sitting next to the psycho staring out the window, you wouldn't have been able to deploy your firearm with a knife through your neck. At least said crazy wasn't carrying a "concealed" pistol himself, otherwise it could have been a couple dozen instead of the one poor misfortunate soul...

Total speculation no bases in fact.

Let's keep it real here. The guys cheese slid off his cracker

reply to post by TheRepublic


`i saw this guy pull a gun on the bus and start shooting - it was aweful`

you get 10 years for murder

your word against the other passengers who only see you blow someones brains out

Reminds me of Michael Douglas in Falling Down.

Clearly this is an example of a guy who's wiring somehow got crossed and his brain shorted out. The kid listening to his music too loudly could have been a woman with a crying baby, a businessman talking on his cell phone too loudly, or a guy who breathed especially loudly through his whistling nostrils... his syetm was overloaded and was just waiting for that one final straw before snapping.

reply to post by Harlequin


im sure the kid that got stabbed 4 times by the crazy dude would vouch for me... i mean seriously.

i dont just go around shooting people i suspect of being crazy. does anyone think anymore?

Originally posted by TheRepublic
i have a conceled carry. if he tried this on a bus i was riding, hed get see what having his brains splattered about looks like. good job on gun control canucks...enjoy your crazies!

I guess there isn't a spelling test or minimum IQ requirement to get a concealed weapons permit....nice...

Please don't make it sound like because Canada has gun control that there are many crazy people running around beheading everyone in sight. LOL
This is the first time anything like this has happened here in my memory. And, for the record you can still buy handguns here. I have a few friends who are into that sort of thing.

Having a gun you may have been able to save the guy from the beheading, but I doubt you could have saved his life. The way it happened, there was no warning or inciting factor, no noise or disturbance. He just started stabbing the guy. Unless you were actively surveiling all the passengers you wouldn't have been able to prevent the stabbing.

Just a random act of violence that really has shocked our nation because it just doesn't happen here like this. Talk about having the unlucky seat.

[edit on 31-7-2008 by TheComte]

reply to post by Fathom


well they do tell us not to shoot vapid concieted spelling snobs so you shouldnt worry too much.

i have better things to do then perfect ever grammatical error. this is an internet forum not a doctoral thesis, get your head out of your butt.

reply to post by TheComte

The way it happened, there was no warning or inciting factor, no noise or disturbance.

i would argue the blood curdling scream the kid let out would count as an idication of violence. regardless we will never know what having a gun might have done because no one is allowed to carry them in canada.

Originally posted by TheRepublic

is that a joke?
what diffrence would a gun have made?
well heres an example:

1) the dude gets stabbed once and screams

i turn around

2) the dude may have been stabbed twice by now i see it pull the gun out

3) i fire the gun blowing crazy dude brains everywhere

Ok. Lets do a test... Pretend I just snuck into your house, and I'm standing in the doorway in the room behind you. Let time how it takes you to get your gun, loaded, cocked and safety off, and point it at the doorway. 10 seconds? 20 seconds? 1 minute?

Now.. I don't doubt your response time would have been shorter if you were on the bus... but I doubt you would have been able to respond any less than 20 seconds... I can make 30 stabbing motions in that time. I doubt you would have made much difference.

But you are firing wildly on a crowded bus packed full of people. Even if you have dead aim and you drop this nutbar in one or two shots - what caliber are you carrying? Even a .22 would pass through psychopath and into the passenger behind him. Nice job - you just killed a friendly, or two. Of course, you are perfectly calm as you would be on a shooting range, because having someone slash up another human being wouldn't raise your adrenalin at all.

Worse yet, nutbar sees you pull your piece, and manages to wrestle it away from you. Now he has a gun. Good job.

The question I have for you Republic, is have you ever used your gun to save someone? I didn't think so. Bang bang.

Originally posted by TheRepublic
the kid may have 4 stabbing wounds, 5 at max.
he could be given medical treatment and may have survived.

Dude...*sigh* this is a butcher's knife.
how about I stab you in the neck 4 or 5 times max and see if you "survive"

reply to post by burdman30ott6


I was thinking the exact same thing. What utter randomness.

But honestly, I'd like to think I would react to such an occurance and not just run away. Maybe I am thinking too much of myself, but a knife won't stop me from trying to take that guy out.

reply to post by cannonfodder


well you must not know anything about concealed carry permits.
they dont just hand you one and say"have at it hoss"
they train you how to unholster the gun aquire the target and fire acurately, and to do so within 5 seconds.

i have a 1911 .45 it is loaded with a bullet in the chamber. i dont have to cock it. all i have to do is point at the target and flick my thumb to take the saftey off. point and click. thats it. 5 seconds.
not rocket science.
so many people are taught to fear guns to ridiculous levels. they think only cops should have them. well the cops did a wonderful job of saving this kids life. not only was he still dead by the time they got there, but he went from an open casket funeral to a closed casket one.

a gun is just a tool. a tool that could have saved this kids head from being sawed off by a maniac. but we will never know thanks to canadas gun laws.

reply to post by Fathom


people dont just die instantly after being stabbed even by big knives. thats my whole point the maniac could have been stopped before he did more damadge. i was being generously slow with my reaction time also. he could have been stopped sooner.

people dont survive after having their heads cut off. period.
but fine you canadians can have your gun laws. just dont whine about how horrible this is, when if the gun laws were diffrent none of this would be happening.

my point is simply we will never know what would have happend if a gun had been on that bus. we do know what happend without one. everyone ran off the bus like little fairies to wait for the mounties and left the kid to have his head chopped off.

wonderful.

Originally posted by Fathom

Originally posted by TheRepublic
i have a conceled carry. if he tried this on a bus i was riding, hed get see what having his brains splattered about looks like. good job on gun control canucks...enjoy your crazies!

I guess there isn't a spelling test or minimum IQ requirement to get a concealed weapons permit....nice...

Well, another positive point if someone would have shot the lunatic with a gun is that he would be dead!

If he was dead my taxes would not have to pay for his trial and to keep him locked up for the rest of his life. That would have been a lot of money saved by not having to feed and give him shelter for the rest of his life.

Oh, I guess he might get out of jail after many years, so another positive point is that if he was dead, he would not be able to possibly walk the streets again and commit another crime.

I would have to agree with Republic. If I were on that bus and it were in my state (Georgia) I would have shot the guy dead right there. I too have a carry permit and have been through multiple CQB training exercises and classes both with edged weapons and with pistols. Granted in a close situation I would rather have a knife, and carry a 5" fixed blade on me at all times because of said situations that could arise. It is the companion to my pistol I carry, and depending on the situation I will make a judgment as to which would be the appropriate weapon to use.

In this case if I were a few seats back and saw the situation unfold I would probably opt for my pistol being that the nutcase would be focused on the victim at the time giving me ample opportunity to take aim and fire a kill shot without hitting any of the innocents around, and yes I can deploy my already loaded, cocked and non-safetied pistol quicker than you can stab someone 20 times. If I were closer to the subject, say in the row next to him I would probably deploy my knife, first taking out the arm he was using to cut and slash by coming from behind and under and cutting through the tendons in his forearm which in turn releases his knife and disables that arm, then coming back up into his armpit with the point of the blade and severing the artery which would cause him to bleed out within seconds without medical attn.

Now...if the people on the bus were ignorant enough to not see this and think I saved one person from a lunatic then there is something even more wrong with the society we live in. People should not simply stand/sit there and do nothing while someone is being savagely attacked. Sure the guy could turn his knife on one of them, but if multiple passengers had some balls and tried to subdue the guy they would have succeeded. Truth of the matter is they did not care enough to do anything.

For those that are not for guns or weapons of any sort I would ask if you have ever been the victim of a crime either by an armed or unarmed attacker, and if so, how do you feel now about weapons? Simple fact of the matter is that even without guns or knives people are still attacked, and it may be by shear brute force, maybe with a baseball bat or a piece of re-bar or whatever.....crime is going to happen.....I for one will not sit back and watch it happen to me without putting up the fight of my life. If you won't do that and you just sit there and take it, how do you live with yourself and how do you not feel like a useless tool after? I just never have understood the people that will not stand up....sorry, but this just brings to mind that only the strong survive....if you don't fight for something, especially someone's life, then what would you fight for, or die for for that matter?

I too am sorry for any country that will not allow someone to defend themselves or others if attacked ...that truly makes for a sad government.

just my .02!

reply to post by Crakeur


Be honest, a crazed maniac with a knife stabbing someone, you are on that bus, would you really try to stop him?

reply to post by SantaClaus


If I had my sidearm on me, yeah, I'd drop him. If it was on one of those rare ocassions when I'm not carrying then, no, I'd have been booking it for the exit. I have a wife and children who's lives take precidence over anyone else's life. (Unless, of course, my wife and kids were also on the bus, in which case they head for the exits and I'd at least make sure the guy didn't try to follow them out before excusing myself.)

Originally posted by Vasa Croe
If I were closer to the subject, say in the row next to him I would probably deploy my knife, first taking out the arm he was using to cut and slash by coming from behind and under and cutting through the tendons in his forearm which in turn releases his knife and disables that arm, then coming back up into his armpit with the point of the blade and severing the artery which would cause him to bleed out within seconds without medical attn.

Have you ever ridden on a public transit bus before? Apparently you either have not or you're one of the shortest, thinnest, nimblest SOBs walking the Earth today. There is no room on a bus for all this fancy "go behind", "go under", "off the building, under the signboard, around the water tower... nothing but net" maneuvering you're talking about.