Man decapitates passenger aboard Greyhound bus in Manitoba

So it's 1.30 in the morning, you're in a deep sleep, suddenly something wakes you up, there seems to be some sort of commotion, you blearily rub your eyes slowly remembering where you are, people seem to be leaving and shouting "get off the bus" you tiredly get to your feet and look around, lots of people are standing in the aisle all moving towards the doors, there seems to be something happening further up the bus but you can't see past all the other people so, starting to shake the cobwebs from your head you join the queue. Once out in the cold night air you start to come to your senses "what’s happening" you ask someone with a yawn "don't know" comes the reply, "someone having a fight or something"

To my mind, that's why no one did anything. I'm pretty sure that's exactly what I'd have done.


[edit on 1-8-2008 by Lupe_101]

The part that gets to me most in this story is the fact they all sat there and let the guy stab the victim "50" times, then ran off the bus and held the door shut

Perhaps they should have made an effort to help the poor guy? Bus vs 1 guy - 1 guy loses.

interview with a passenger :

SOURCE

Police Scanner reveals he even ate some of the victims flesh

www.liveleak.com...

OMFG!

That freaky asian dude ATE pieces of his victim!

He chopped him and then started to chow down? Oh man, its going to take me a long time to get that audio out of my head. Thats........


Just so wrong it can never be made right what ever any one ever says about his mental state.

Okay, I've read a slew of articles on this incident and I have to say, those with big, heroic ideas if they were on that bus are, IMO, full of it. I am a big guy and if I was on that bus, I'd make more of a point of helping my fellow passengers get out than doing my best to be the next victim.
One guy. One fellow passenger, in one of the articles I read, turned to another guy and said "C'mon, let's get this guy!" and what did the guy he asked for help do? He beat feet outta there. What did the "hero" do? Followed very close on the other guys heels getting the hell away from the, reportedly, big, crewcut-wearing, asian-ish guy with a freaking short sword of a knife going stab-happy on some young guy!
Fight or flight? Preserve your own existance? Live to fight another day? Call it what you want, but, unless the escape route is un-passable, flight is the obvious action. Self preservation. It's not weak, it's smart.

The more I read about the incident and the attacker, the more it pushes me towards being an incident of Mind Control. There just seems to be more and more incidents just like this, where a man just goes blankly and quietly into kill mode. I think if he had a gun, there would have been more deaths, as well. Since they got him alive and he wasn't shot by the RCMP, we have a chance to hear his "story" and learn more about what triggered him.

I'm not so sickened by this incident. That's kinda sadder than the incident itself, to me. I've lived through Gacy, Dahmer, Ramirez, Columbine, Virginia Tech, N. Illinois University, L.A. Shootout, OKC, 9-11, Mt St. Helens, O.J. Simpson, The Green River Killer, etc. and I'm getting less affected by it all. It's just typical news now. There are people I've known and hung out with that are in prison for murder. There are people I've known and hung out with that have been murdered themselves. It affects me less and less.
So, in effect, I'm focussing on the why and how come in this case. I'm not going to focus at all on the gruesomeness of it. It would be just a sensationalist feeder anyway.

Eek, I ramble,
Cuhail

WTF!!!!

He ate him parts of him!!!!

Not even a mentally ill person will be capable of this...is definitely something way more than the story tells

reply to post by Dan Tanna


Dan,

Another poster mentioned mind control. You recently had a post where you went apes**t on an unknown entity that appeared in your bedroom.

Do you see any similarities, besides the flesh eating part, between how you felt and what looks like happened here?

Just wondering is all. The guy that cut this other guy's head off could very well have been high.

Cuhail,

I agree what better way to get your policy into action. People will accept it also because its under the ruse of personal safty. People wil come to accept less and less freedom and they will get good at explaining to you why it must be. This is a one of many mini 911's, until the the next big one comes. Then you can expect more major rights and freedoms taken.

[edit on 1-8-2008 by Swingarm]

To all the people amazed that "nobody tried to help".

Have you seen how narrow a bus' alleys are? Strength in numbers fails miserably in bottleneck situations... a hundred unarmed guys could have went at him, if he had the advantage of having a weapon, being prepared to kill, having a narrow area forcing the people to come at him one at a time, he'd have had pretty good chances of killing many many more.

We're not talking about a situation where 5 people could rush him from different sides and jump him, or flank him, we're talking about a situation where everyone's stuck, scared, has no room for maneuvering and is faced with something which with the present situation sounds like it could be from out of this world.

They describe the killer like the guy from the Halloween movies; middle of the night, tall strong guy with a knife, calmly murdering someone; how many citizens do you think have the composure to even look at a sight like this without freaking out, let alone jumping the maniac to stop him from mutilating what they say was the already dead body of the victim?

I for one believe that they took the most reasonable course of action they could have: evacuated as many people as they could, and kept the perp trapped until they had the means and resources to subdue him.

There's no honor in getting senselessly murdered while trying to stop a crime which has already happened knowing that you don't stand a chance anyways.

Imagine if a few people had tried to stop him and he'd have done away with them too... this isn't a video game; one good slash with the knife and anyone is down; had these people not gotten everyone off the bus, the death toll would have been more significant, and had they tried to hold him down and taken a chance at dying instead of locking the bus down, the perp might have simply killed a few more people and gotten away, and 10 years from now we'd have a movie called "The Grayhound Massacre" instead of simply a very tragic story of one young man's death.

Any trained law enforcer or psychologist will tell you that there's nothing more dangerous than a stone cold killer who has lost his moral compass and is psychologically troubled; they are unpredictable and sometimes ignore pain to incredibly high levels-- this means that the chances of a civilian taking a man like this down are very weak, not to mention if the killer is much bigger and armed.

Think about it.

Come on people - this isn't mind control by the government. This is one very very sick man.

Anyone who says even a person with a severe mental illness couldn't have done this is just wrong. Think of the worst thing you think a human is capable of, then go a bit further and your getting closer to what some humans are capable of.

This man was ill, really ill. It had nothing to do with a black helecopter following the bus and taking control of this man.

Something pushed him over the edge, maybe the guy he sat next to was humming, maybe he was listening to music too loud and it just sent him over the edge. Their is only 1 man on this planet that knows why he did it, or maybe he doesn't even know himself.

reply to post by Swingarm


Not sure what you mean. My policy? My saying that I would do my best to assist my fellow travelers first? I stick by it. By retreating from an apparent mad man going stab-happy? I stand by it.

If you are really worried about security in bus stations being an NWO plot or something, then I understand your stance, but, I'm just less concerned.

If you refer to the media coverage and sensationalism, it is a numbing agent. It's prevelant on TV, in movies and in (most undeniably) in video games to, seemingly, desensitize the public to violence and bloodshed and to give a viewer/player the sensation of killing and maiming. It's hardly debatable.
However, I say again, I, myself, have control of what is right and wrong concerning my own actions. I can play Twisted Metal on my PS2 and not want to go and run people over with my car. I can watch Robin Hood on BBCAmerica and not want to go shoot arrows into the local sherriff. People kill people. All the time. More security can't make people think in their right minds nor can it really prevent someone bent on killing. It can't read the thoughts of those it screens. But- It (security) might have caught that Rambo knife before he could use it.
I dunno man. Differences exist within all of us.

Cuhail

reply to post by Cuhail


No I'm talking about the mind control angle, and implementing policy based on events such as this. Your means them" the powers that be"

[edit on 1-8-2008 by Swingarm]

All this macho silliness about how "I" would have tackled this madman, or how the "whole" bus should have tackled him, or someone with a gun should have shot him. Yadda, yadda, yadda...

The victim, I'm very sorry to say, was already doomed, if not dead already; the driver and passengers did exactly the right thing, exactly. They got away from him, got themselves organized then kept the guy from pulling a fade, all without giving him a chance to hurt or kill another person.

Tackling this guy in the narrow confines of a greyhound bus would have been a losing proposition, too narrow a front...it would have been unarmed passenger versus knife wielding psycho one on one, guess who wins?

The trouble with the Mind Control issue is I'm woefully ignorant of its procedure and implimentation, but, if anything (to me) smacks of Mind Control, it's stuff like this.
I have read a bevy of accounts concerning mind control and, although I'm not at all convinced if it's usage, I see similarities to those accounts and what I've read about this and past incidents.
The mind is a fragile and manipulative thing. Media manipulates it. Peer pressure manipulates it. Why would anybody consider that nefarious personalities wouldn't employ strategic mind control.

So,

Mind contol? Possible.
Just insane? Likely.
He killed the guy successfully either way. He scared the crap out of a lot of people and possibly scarred them all for life. There were children on the bus. They will never be the same. Their minds are now affected by it. Hell, my mind was affected by it and I just read about it.

I dunno man.

Cuhail

Maybe this guy got influence by the movie "The Dark Knight" plus he was mentally unstable?
Wanting to become unpredictable, cold blooded killer, and using a knife because guns are too quickly, etc. There has been cases that people are influence by movies.

I have to say this to those who scoff at a gun being introduced to subdue the killer. I, would pull a gun and fire into the perp. If the perp failed to stop, I would render a head shot to the perp. This call to action is more than any of you would perform other than run from the bus screaming and crying for your miserable lives. So stop trying to inject pulling a gun is futile in situations where one is called for.

I carried guns, I pulled guns on people who needed it. I will shoot a perp in the time of need to protect the innocent from evil lurking under the surface of a human being controlling that physical force to induce pain and death onto the once calm, serene but now vestige of humanity.

In my duties as a man, I have seen powerful men with muscles all over, run from death before they are claimed. To meet evil armed for battle, one must be equal or superior in armament.

Run, flee and you will hate yourself for not having a gun to stop evil. Be prepared with superior weaponry and you stand a chance to save a life.

reply to post by Peepers


As you wright this from your mothers basement just joking. Taking another life with gun under this circumstance would be easier than many situations. I don't know that I refer to people who would'nt as having miserable lives. A little harsh don't you think?

reply to post by manta


I don't remember anyone mentioning black helicopters. Would you concede that it's a possibility that these school shootings are the result of mind control? Are you well versed in MKULTRA ? Allowing yourself to believe something like this is hard. I'm not saying it is the case, but this is a very bizarre circumstance.It begs the question had this guy ever been pissed before? Why wouldn't he do this to Someone else under more extreme circumstances.

Originally posted by Swingarm
reply to post by Peepers

 

I don't know that I refer to people who would'nt as having miserable lives. A little harsh don't you think?

People need to be awakened to the reality of defending there life and other lives at all cost. To argue guns are useless in a life or death situation and to further go on about failing to act in time to save the victim is extremely narrow thinking. When evil goes off, people die horrible deaths.

I class people with minds that argue against having the superior position in situations as miserable. There a victim of there own thinking just waiting to be taken down the path of horrors by evil. Tell me now, anyone reading this, if you were stopped at a stop light and a creep walked up to the car in front of you and fired a gun into the driver, than turned to look at you and walked your way, would you freeze and cry, oh god no, or act to defend your life, your childrens life, and others lives either by pulling your gun if you carried or punch the gas pedal to run down the creep. I know what I will do and its not going to be pretty for the creep.

I would bet, there were people on that bus who wished they had a gun to change the situation. I would say, most now feel miserable on how they ran from the horrors. Oh ya, it will be haunting them for a long time.

The lady in texas who watched her parents murdered by the lubby restaurant killer changed the carry laws. She had a gun but it was in her car. She felt the pain of knowing she could have done something if that something had been on her. Her parents might still be here if she presented an early on option to the killer.

This guy looks asian but probably is an navite indian
edit: on further digging, found out he is Chinese

Photo of man in bus

edit : Killer in Cuffs



[edit on /8/1/08 by scar]