Man decapitates passenger aboard Greyhound bus in Manitoba

reply to post by CO Vet


You must of missed it when I said this in a later post:

"I'm not saying that Greyhound bus depots need the same screening procedures as an an international airport, however I do think that a simple metal detector with an armed security guard would be in order."

So no, I'm not for having 19 year old rent-a-cops with 6 weeks of security school training armed with a flashlight and a notepad watching over these bus depots. I am, however, for properly trained, armed security guards or police watching over a metal detector to prevent people from bringing weapons on a bus.

If you're going to debate me, then debate me. But don't put words in my mouth, and then debate those same words you put in my mouth as if I said it. And that includes mixing my words up and ignoring things I said at a later date that would explain your argument. Read the whole thread next time.

PS, I'm not going to debate this anymore with anyone, as I find it ridiculous that a debate has even started over the lack of safety on buses after a guy had his head cut off with a "Rambo" knife. If anyone wants to discuss this then I'm open for that, but I'm going to stop clarifying what I said because it's stupid and pointless. Peace.

reply to post by matth


That's fine, matth. Just saying you want the bus lines to pay for and provide security that they already are doing. You don't want government involvement, except for oversight, whatever that'll accomplish. And I have a feeling if they did what you want, a metal detector and armed security that actually look like security, quite a few individuals would complain about "Big Brother" sticking it's nose in where it doesn't belong. Also, have you considered how the bus lines are going to pay for providing this additional security? You don't want government involvement except for oversight, so that's out. Guess it'd have to be higher fares and/or a service fee for those using the terminal. Then what do they do about people getting on the buses at backwood stops? Guess the bus will have to be equipped with metal detectors, and one of these security guards will have to be assigned to every bus. And you think the bus lines are going to do this?

Originally posted by CO Vet
reply to post by matth

 

That's fine, matth. Just saying you want the bus lines to pay for and provide security that they already are doing. You don't want government involvement, except for oversight, whatever that'll accomplish. And I have a feeling if they did what you want, a metal detector and armed security that actually look like security, quite a few individuals would complain about "Big Brother" sticking it's nose in where it doesn't belong. Also, have you considered how the bus lines are going to pay for providing this additional security? You don't want government involvement except for oversight, so that's out. Guess it'd have to be higher fares and/or a service fee for those using the terminal. Then what do they do about people getting on the buses at backwood stops? Guess the bus will have to be equipped with metal detectors, and one of these security guards will have to be assigned to every bus. And you think the bus lines are going to do this?

Who would complain about Big Brother sticking it's nose where it doesn't belong, when all it involves is putting a metal detector in a bus depot to prevent weapons going on board the bus? You? I think that would be it, and the people who think like you would be in the minority. I was suggesting, and nothing more or nothing less, the following:

1. Put metal detectors in the bus depots. Not rectal scanners, not fingerprint scanners, not DNA stealers, just a fricking metal detector.

2. Make the bus lines pay for it, and if that means raising fares then so be it. I'm pretty sure nobody would have an issue with paying an extra few bucks for actual security for the bus depot and bus they got on. And if you've actually ever used the buses here in Canada on a regular bases and have been to these bus depots in a major city on a regular bases, you would know what I'm talking about. If you or anyone else were to have a problem with paying an extra couple of dollars for extra security, then you have every right not to use their services.

3. All the government has to do is set up industry standards to make sure that the bus company ensures safe passage for their customers, no different than the industry standards set up in other forms of business.

4. Have properly trained security to make sure that the depots are safe and to make sure, combined with metal detectors, that no weapons get on the bus. This doesn't mean putting scared to death guys in their early twenties with minimal training and no way to enforce the rules in the bus depot...it means using trained security. Not the National Guard, not the secret police, not the CIA or CSIS, just properly trained security.

I don't know how much more clear I can make myself, but if we were to listen to you and your know it all attitude, then just leave things the way they are so people can continue to get away with bull# like this. Excuse my language, but I'm just so dumbfounded that you have nothing better to do with your time than pick an argument with me over getting some security into a form of mass transit that has hardly any security to begin with. We're not talking about RFID chips or warrantless phone tapping. We're talking about bare minimal security at a place were there's no security and it resulted in a guy's head being cut off. There's plenty of other things on this site to start pointless arguments over, so why not focus on that instead?

Here is a link to a video of a passenger on the bus, he explains in pretty graphic detail what happen.

www.liveleak.com...

Wow. Just wow.

It's sickening to me that nobody would try to help the victim. It sounds like there might not have been an opportunity to save him, but damn. We're not going to make it as a species if we don't start having some compassion for our fellow human beings.

This report leaves me with more questions than answers. It's difficult to comprehend that this was completely random, in both occurrence and victim selection. Some kind of gang initiation perhaps? I'd like to see a toxicology report on the assailant, as well as background information on the victim.

Hope it wasn't over something so inconsequential like the sleeping victim leaned and made physical contact, or drooled on him or something.

Again, to me, the most horrendous aspect of this is the fact that nobody even attempted to help, or even subdue the attacker. Keep your fiends close people, because apparently, when it comes to strangers, you're on your own.

reply to post by Unit541


I agree 100% Unit. The fact that nobody came to the guy's aid is pretty unbelievable!

Some additional information I got from CBC Newsworld's television report that the victim was between the ages of 18-22, while the accused was in his 40's. I guess they're not releasing the names of either person at this time.

Oh my goodness....This kind of stuff doesn't happen often in Canada... Safe to say, I'm probably not going to be riding around on the bus after this...

I'm wondering if it was a random act, or pre-meditated? They haven't released MUCH information on either the Victim or the Suspect. I'd be interested to know if they knew each other, or if they were just 2 people who happend to sit next to each other..

Oh dear...

- Carrot

Originally posted by Siren
With all the people on the bus, and being that there is strength in numbers, I wonder why nobody tried to subdue him.

They need to investigate what is causing the zombie like state of these killers. Evidently, it is not just occurring in the U.S.

This is extremely weird.

Originally posted by Unit541
Wow. Just wow.

It's sickening to me that nobody would try to help the victim. It sounds like there might not have been an opportunity to save him, but damn. We're not going to make it as a species if we don't start having some compassion for our fellow human beings.

Originally posted by matth
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I agree 100% Unit. The fact that nobody came to the guy's aid is pretty unbelievable!

Some additional information I got from CBC Newsworld's television report that the victim was between the ages of 18-22, while the accused was in his 40's. I guess they're not releasing the names of either person at this time.

You guys all need to read more about the situation. Everyone here that claimed no one tried to help is just plain wrong.

when the incident first occured one passenger yelled "stop the bus someone is getting stabbed!". The guy that was being stabbed was taking shots to the THROAT!. Reports indicated that the attacker just kept stabbing the kid in the neck. I'm sure it would have been a disgusting gruesome scene. Understandable so, people started trampling out of the bus. The guy had a friggen hunting knife in his hand and was stabbing someone CALMLY!
I think the most unnerving thing is that there was no emotion. he wasnt shouting or yelling or cursing. There was no rage.
That is terrifying. I'd be reluctant to do anything about that too. Especailly since it was throat stabbing.

But to get to the point where you are all wrong. Reports are indicating that the 3 biggest guys went back in to the bus only to have this psycho chase them to the front of the bus slashing the air. You can't get close to that. Reports go on to say that they were forced to hold the door of the bus closed as the attacker was stabbing at the glass to get at them.
On top of all that, there were families with children on the bus. Anyone with a child there would obviously be more concered about the well being of thier child. Both physically and psychologically.


BTW: I live in Winnipeg and have been following this story since i woke up this morning. Quite a terrifying ordeal.

[edit on 31-7-2008 by Pumcy]

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I don't believe that anyone is wrong for thinking that is it pretty amazing that nobody rushed him to stop him. But at the same time you're not wrong for thinking they did the right thing by not rushing him.

If somebody was being stabbed, and there were enough people to rush him to stop it, then I personally would attempt to stop the person. But, you can't blame somebody for NOT attempting to stop him or her. I was just stating that it's pretty amazing that nobody at all tried to stop him, as in I was surprised, not in a judgmental way.

This is terrible. What disturbs me the most is the fact that nobody in the bus tried to save him. What is it, like 30 people against 1 guy with a knife! It's not like he had a machine gun or something.

Too many people have become way too dependant on authority figures these days. Pathetic...

EDIT: Forgot a word.

[edit on 31-7-2008 by Striker122]

Originally posted by Siren
With all the people on the bus, and being that there is strength in numbers, I wonder why nobody tried to subdue him.

Good point! Anyway it is shocking these days that some people will not stick thier neck out a little bit for each other to prevent this kind of stuff from happening. Although i have been on Greyhound before with a very small amount of passengers for many hours. Maybe everyone was asleep. Decapitation what an animal.

It's a disturbing trend, and just disgusting imo, that people ignore those in need. Like the 78 yo guy crossing a street, and got hit. The video taped pedastrians and drivers alike, ignore him completely. Just walked by or drove past, no one tried to help. I think 5 people did call 911, but geeze.. couldn't even stand by him and stop traffic? It's rather scary really. If you get hurt.. will anyone even bother to help you?

Originally posted by matth

Originally posted by CO Vet
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I don't know how much more clear I can make myself, but if we were to listen to you and your know it all attitude, then just leave things the way they are so people can continue to get away with bull# like this. Excuse my language, but I'm just so dumbfounded that you have nothing better to do with your time than pick an argument with me over getting some security into a form of mass transit that has hardly any security to begin with. We're not talking about RFID chips or warrantless phone tapping. We're talking about bare minimal security at a place were there's no security and it resulted in a guy's head being cut off. There's plenty of other things on this site to start pointless arguments over, so why not focus on that instead?

"Continue to get away with BS like this"?? who has gotten away with anything.>??

You say a metal detector would be non invasive but how are they going to scan everyones stow-away luggage for metal without emptying the contents, there are going to be dozens of metallic objects that woulkd set it off, every bag would have to be searched. That means arriving 3 hours before your bus leaves just like at an airport. If they only scan your person as you board, whats to say a knife or anything else isnt in the stow away? you are allowed to access your stuff along the way at a lengthier stop arent ya?

You were the one that lumped the situation with the "druggies" and homeless in the station, together with the normal seeming homicidal maniac. You said before Armed Security, i suppose these security forces will be the same ones used to clear these unsavory types from the terminal... so guess what happens when you give frightened guards with a "grade 10" education a gun, or since its the age of Non Compliance weapons, Tasers...
You say hire trained security, thats a hefty fare increase to pay because of one single incident.
the whole purpose people ride the greyhound is often because its a lot cheaper than flying with less hassle (and not because they love being stuck on a bus for 10 times longer than it would take them to drive it themselves in a car).. this extra security would kill any incentive to use the greyhound in the first place.
There are dozens of stops along the HWYs that are small and are basically just a bus stop, security is going to be placed at each of these locations??

My original post was in respect to your reaction to the incident and how you started going off on those you found unsavory and uindesirable hanging around the terminal, while if security was doing their job to remove those who Threatened Your Comfort Level, they wouldve apparently skipped over this guy.

The way I understood it, the guy was probably way past dead when the screaming started. He got stabbed like 50 times in the throat for petes' sake. By the time the guy next to him started screaming the poor fellow was dead. I know that you'd want to stop the guy but he was beyond stopping in hopes that he didn't kill the guy.

No emotion. Probably on some kind of drug. Haven't you ever watched COPS, it takes a whole sqaud of baton wielding storm troopers to stop one of those guys. 3 unarmed civilians? I really don't think so.

In any case, I just wanted to post that in Mexico, when we ride the bus there are typically armed guards on the bus with us. I little disconcerting to be sure but I'll bet an armed guard on Greyhound would be worth the increase in ticket price. especially now.

This is just a good reason to stick to trains instead of Greyhound. Amtrak just has more leg room. Also all the crazy people like me, don't think of cutting off your parts for no aparent reason. No, We would like to talk to you to death in the Obseravion Lounge about abovetopsecret.com. :-)

It would have been nice if people had tried to help him, but it's hard for anybody to say what they would have done in that situation unless they were actually in it. What happened on that bus was definately not an everyday occurence. Most people never come into contact with that kind of violoence at all.

I've seen some cases of major violence, but i have never seen a situation where someone just starts stabbing someone out of the blue with no provication, or previous altercation. Most of those people were probably in shock and terrified. Perhaps if there had been an arguement or something going on people may have been expecting some kind of violence to occur and been preparing for it. I think even a trained police officer may have stood still in shock for a moment before reacting.

Either there was some prior contact between the victim and his murderer, or the guy was just plain out of his mind. The report says that the attacker was sitting someplace else on the bus and after the last stop moved to sit next to the victim, which makes it seem that there was some kind of motive there, that the attacker for some reason "picked" his victim.

I just know that these random acts of violence are getting worse and more frequent and it seems lke it's only gonna get worse. Kinda feels like we're living in some mad maxx movie.

"While we were watching ... he calmly walked up to the front (of the bus) with the head in his hand and the knife and just calmly stared at us and dropped the head right in front of us."

This sounds just like another mind control experiment. Basically the US has been fooling around with mind control since the 50's, trying to create the perfect killing machine via mind altering drugs and later implants. They ramped up the research after the Vietnam war because for the first time ever they had soldiers that wouldn't kill.

Martin Bryant, the alleged "Port Arthur" massacre was also "chipped".

There is an alleged video where a South American drug mule was chipped. After they released him they could see and hear everything he could see and hear. Unfortunately for the drug mule, his brain could not handle the input / output overflow so he had a stroke and died 48 hours later.

And no, I am not proving proof here - this is just my opinion - not a thesis. If you want proof, do what I did and track it down - there is tons out there if you could be bothered looking...

wtf, that is totally crazy i am jus shaking rite now. I never heard of something like that, i really feel bad for the passengers, they are probably gonna have some serious nightmares. What possessed that man to even do that was he on prozac or sumthing, wow i jus cant believe that even happened.

Pretty heinous crime, don't ya think. A perp killing another innocent human being sitting there, listening to music from his head phones and loving life as he quietly sits with his eyes closed. Than the sicko plunges a knife into him repeatedly as no one intervenes because when evil opens up, fear takes over and grips the sanity of surrounding love and happiness into recoiling away and running to save themselves from the horrors.

Here's the answer to stopping this. Allow citizens to arm themselves and stop perps dead in there tracks. Why must a cop have the only authority to stop evil when it rears its ugly head and scares the common sense of humans away while it continues with its rampage of evil doing.

We live in a world of total BS run by perverts who wish only to take away your right to defend your life when evil calls. Whether you have a gun or knife, in cases such as this, deadly force with a head shot is called for.