IF your God told you to kill yourself, would you?

The only real God is nature, and nature wants us as a species to survive and evolve. Any religion that contradicts science or nature's principles is a fake religion and this includes all death cults as well as most Judeo-Christian faiths.

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The Qur'an is a great book of God for all people to read. To bad i dont have one

Question. Where can we read about jesus death if he did not die on the cross like ouer Bibel tells us. Which book talkes about this part ?

I have not read this whole thread yet and will (read some of first page).

But to answer your question: "If your God told you to kill yourself, would you?"

NO!! What I believe is hardly something I would die for. My faith on the other hand, I would.

I see beliefs as something that are changeable and even could involve deception.

Faith stems from my heart. It is based on natural laws that are evidenced through the working of my conscience.

What purpose would it serve a god or mankind if I were to kill myself? To me that would be the exact opposite of something the Creator would want out of his creation.

If we are here because of intelligent design, then should we not be honoring the Intelligent by using our intelligence?

If we are not here bc of intelligent design, then the question is mute.

Someone that would kill themself bc "they felt god told them to do it" is a fool and deserves whatever it is they get. HOWEVER, I support them in their retarded behavior. One less idiot on the planet!

Originally posted by OutoftheBoxthinker
The only real God is nature, and nature wants us as a species to survive and evolve. Any religion that contradicts science or nature's principles is a fake religion and this includes all death cults as well as most Judeo-Christian faiths.

Youre so right humans even worship science. The great words of evolution.

But common sense could tell you that nothing can come from nothing.

Like if you walk in the dessert and finde a mobile phone. Would you think that nature made it by 1000 of years of evolution?

Do you realy think that nature could make a mobile phone from oil and sand all by it self. Because by sicence its made out of oil and sand.
Or du you think humans have made it. What makes more sense.

Maybe its a bit unfair to compare a mobile phone to hove the rest of the univers was made.

[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

Originally posted by queenofangels_17
reply to post by spy66

 

spy,

it was Abraham actually, not Moses, and the son was Ismael not Isaac.

Alrighty, if we're going to get into the technicalities:

It was Abraham, not Moses

But it was Isaac, not Ismael.

"Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about." - Genesis 22:2

Dup post deleted.

[edit on 31-7-2008 by saint4God]

Originally posted by justamomma
I have not read this whole thread yet and will (read some of first page).

But to answer your question: "If your God told you to kill yourself, would you?"

NO!! What I believe is hardly something I would die for. My faith on the other hand, I would.

I see beliefs as something that are changeable and even could involve deception.

Faith stems from my heart. It is based on natural laws that are evidenced through the working of my conscience.

What purpose would it serve a god or mankind if I were to kill myself? To me that would be the exact opposite of something the Creator would want out of his creation.

If we are here because of intelligent design, then should we not be honoring the Intelligent by using our intelligence?

If we are not here bc of intelligent design, then the question is mute.

Someone that would kill themself bc "they felt god told them to do it" is a fool and deserves whatever it is they get. HOWEVER, I support them in their retarded behavior.

One less idiot on the planet!

Haha youre great as always but youre last part was a bit mean though.

Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by queenofangels_17
reply to post by spy66

 

spy,

it was Abraham actually, not Moses, and the son was Ismael not Isaac.

Alrighty, if we're going to get into the technicalities:

It was Abraham, not Moses

But it was Isaac, not Ismael.

"Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about." - Genesis 22:2

Yes i admitted that i was wrong on that part . i am sorry for mixing up the names. but the story wasent far off though.

If God created the universe, then who created God? If nothing can come from nothing, then surely something or someone must have created God?

You can go on like that forever. The only logical conclusion is that either something CAN come from nothing or that there has always been a universe. Maybe time and space are both circular and really have no beginning or end.... like (if I'm not mistaking) Hindus believe.

Nevertheless, there is no need whatsoever for a personal God to exist.

Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by OutoftheBoxthinker
The only real God is nature, and nature wants us as a species to survive and evolve. Any religion that contradicts science or nature's principles is a fake religion and this includes all death cults as well as most Judeo-Christian faiths.

Youre so right humans even worship science. The great words of evolution.

But common sense could tell you that nothing can come from nothing.

Like if you walk in the dessert and finde a mobile phone. Would you think that nature made it by 1000 of years of evolution?

Do you realy think that nature could make a mobile phone from oil and sand all by it self. Because by sicence its made out of oil and sand.
Or du you think humans have made it. What makes more sense.

Originally posted by spy66
Yes i admitted that i was wrong on that part . i am sorry for mixing up the names. but the story wasent far off though.

No worries, I knew what you meant and understood the point. I hope others did too as I don't like to get into legalistic battles.

It seems to happen without fail whenever anyone puts the word "God" in any thread title, there's dozens of responses such as, "what is god?" and "god doesn't exist".

By virtue of the title, "IF your God told you to kill yourself, would you?" I get the impression that the assumption the original poster wishes you to make is that 1.) God exists 2.) God, in the context of one or all three of the following faiths that use the word: Judaism, Christianity, Muslim. Original poster, correct me if I'm wrong please. In order to have this discussion to make any progression at all, one must be at least willing to accept the intention of the topic, then address it. Anything else seems to be mere noise as off-topic statements have a blatant disregard to the point.


[edit on 31-7-2008 by saint4God]

Originally posted by OutoftheBoxthinker
If God created the universe, then who created God? If nothing can come from nothing, then surely something or someone must have created God?

You can go on like that forever. The only logical conclusion is that either something CAN come from nothing or that there has always been a universe. Maybe time and space are both circular and really have no beginning or end.... like (if I'm not mistaking) Hindus believe.

Nevertheless, there is no need whatsoever for a personal God to exist.

Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by OutoftheBoxthinker
The only real God is nature, and nature wants us as a species to survive and evolve. Any religion that contradicts science or nature's principles is a fake religion and this includes all death cults as well as most Judeo-Christian faiths.

Youre so right humans even worship science. The great words of evolution.

But common sense could tell you that nothing can come from nothing.

Like if you walk in the dessert and finde a mobile phone. Would you think that nature made it by 1000 of years of evolution?

Do you realy think that nature could make a mobile phone from oil and sand all by it self. Because by sicence its made out of oil and sand.
Or du you think humans have made it. What makes more sense.

A very good question. But not easy to tell.

What makes something a God !


God is something we look upon as above ouer self. A lot higher then ouer self in fact. God is a higher beeing. God is The creator. God is the beginning and the end.

And we worship this belife. And its common sense to do it. Like we worship other things in this world.

If you deny that God exist what dose youre common sense say. Dose it say no right away. Dose your ecommon sense say that its impossibel for him to exist.








[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

Originally posted by spy66
Haha youre great as always

but youre last part was a bit mean though.

How so? Wouldn't you think that some one who killed themselves citing that they were doing it for purposes of fulfilling a god's wish is a bit retarded? Something in their mental processing ability is a bit off, would you not say?

If it makes me mean because I call it how I see it, then so be it. I would rather tell the truth than to pat someone on the back in an act that I find to be highly selfish and cowardly. I am not here to sugar coat how I view things and give others warm fuzzy feelings inside. I think there is enough of that here. Just offering a very real perspective.

If people do things that you do not understand, retarded it does not make them. Merely alien to you it is until paradigm learn to shift you can.


[edit on 31-7-2008 by saint4God]

Originally posted by saint4God
If people do things that you do not understand, retarded it does not make them. Merely alien to you it is until paradigm learn to shift you can.


[edit on 31-7-2008 by saint4God]

Are you joking or being serious?? I am just curious because the Yoda talk is throwing me off on your intentions in what you said, seriously.

[edit on 31-7-2008 by justamomma]

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by spy66
Haha youre great as always

but youre last part was a bit mean though.

How so? Wouldn't you think that some one who killed themselves citing that they were doing it for purposes of fulfilling a god's wish is a bit retarded? Something in their mental processing ability is a bit off, would you not say?

If it makes me mean because I call it how I see it, then so be it. I would rather tell the truth than to pat someone on the back in an act that I find to be highly selfish and cowardly. I am not here to sugar coat how I view things and give others warm fuzzy feelings inside. I think there is enough of that here. Just offering a very real perspective.

Why would God want us to kill ouer self because of him. Thats just a human though to test this topic. God dosent need any thing or things from us. Only humans need things thats why we always make up silly things.

Originally posted by justamomma
Are you joking or being serious??

I am just curious because the Yoda talk is throwing me off on your intentions in what you said, seriously.

The content is serious, the manner of speaking was a stylistic presentation. In translation to the person I was replying to, "just because you can't understand someone else's viewpoint doesn't mean they are retarded. Rather, you would need to see things from their point of view in order to be able to understand."

[edit on 31-7-2008 by saint4God]

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I agree whole heartedly!!! Someone who kills themself citing whatever reason is just being silly.

About the only exception I make to this is in cases such as the ppl jumping from the building on 9/11. In that case, my heart feels heavy.

Originally posted by spy66
God is something we look upon as above ouer self. A lot higher then ouer self in fact. God is a higher beeing. God is The creator. God is the beginning and the end.

What if there is nothing higher than us but nature itself? What is nature = God?

Originally posted by spy66
And we worship this belife. And its common sense to do it. Like we worship other things in this world.

I don't worship anything or anyone and I don't see a point in doing so.

Originally posted by spy66
If you deny that God exist what dose youre common sense say. Dose it say no right away. Dose your ecommon sense say that its impossibel for him to exist.

My common sense says there is nothing higher than nature.

reply to post by OutoftheBoxthinker


Outofthebox,

God is a good without which there is nothing good; God is a being without which there is nothing that is; God is a life without which there is nothing that live; so great that He fills all and is everywhere. He alone has no equal. He has had no beginning, nor will He ever have an end, but to everything has He given a beginning, and to everything shall He give an end. He has no father nor mother; he has no sons, no brothers, nor companions. And because God has no body, therefore He eats not, sleep not, die not, walk not, move not, but abides eternally without human similitude, for that He is incorporeal, uncompounded, immaterial, of the most simple substance. He is so good that he loves goodness only; He is so just that when he punishes or pardons it cannot be gainsaid. In short, here on earth we cannot see Him nor know Him perfectly; but in His kingdom we shall see Him for ever: wherein consists all our happiness and glory.'

thinking out of the box is good, but let's stop short of blaspheming God and by giving Him a human similitude. mankind has a beginning and will have an end. but God existed from the beginning, Self-created, Eternal, Incorruptible, everything in the heavens and in the earth will perish and God alone will remain, to whom belongs all praise and glory.