IF your God told you to kill yourself, would you?

What would I do if my god told me to kill myself ?

First of all I know my god wouldn't do that and if he did it's probaly a poser god trying to be god.

reply to post by kidney thief


kidney thief,

good thinking.

God indeed will not ask you to kill yourself, you got it right.

only God can strike down and make whole. give life and cause death. and none can deliver themselves from His hands.

Peace!

reply to post by Ggurl777


Ggurl777,

that's the advantage of knowing your God, eyes can err but faith errs never because it has for its foundation the words of God.

to know God is to love God. God loves those who love Him and walk in His ways. for these God appoints angels as guardians over them until they finish the term appointed for them.

keep the faith.

reply to post by Zaimless


"As for those who answered, 'God would not ask you to do such a thing', think again. What do you think he did to his own son?? Its not like Jesus woke up one day and had nothing better to do ya know... God asked him if he would... would you die for the life of all the others, would you die for others to prove a point to me... . Jesus was given a choice and he took it. So was Jesus suicidal??"

When referring to the Christian GOD a good point you have made.



reply to post by chapter29


"In 1819, William Hazlitt said, “The garb of religion is the best cloak for power.”

I do believe in a higher power, yet I believe the above quote to be a fact in our reality as well. History has proven that power is eventually always abused on some level. It's very depressing to realize that a portion of what we perceive as reality is a lie. What is horrifying is not knowing which portion.

reply to post by coastlinekid

"To quote an episode of "The Simpsons", (by a drunken native)

If god is omnipotent, why does he need us to worship him?"

I have always loved this an It's a darn good point!

reply to post by kidney thief


"man that is a sick avatar. Did you make that/whats it for? "

TYVM. I made the avatar myself for various uses online. The art is from a very old pulp fiction cover.

~HYP

reply to post by runetang


runetang,

you have the right perspective about God.

true, God test our faith from time to time, each one of us, to test if our faith is true. if our love for God is greater than our love for anyone or anything in this world. to don't fall into Idolatry, which is the greatest sin in the sight of God.

a man who has come to fear God should prepare himself for temptation. for God tries us with something of fear and hunger, and loss of wealth and lives and property, and other things to test our faith. the successful are those who pass the test, who were patient in times of tribulations, whose faith grew stronger as they surrender their will to God.

Peace!

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Why would G-d ask someone to kill themselves when He could kill you at will? It just doesn't make any sense. If G-d wanted you dead, you would be dead. No asking, just "poof" your dead.

Well its called faith. God asked Moses if he feard God. And Moses told him yes. And God told him to prove it by killing his own son. And Moses took his son to the top of a moutain to kill his son. God stoped him before he did it He had proven his fears to God.

When it comes to God we have to stop thinking of God as a he or a she. God is a creator and master of everything. GOD is not a human GOD is not like us at all. Because if he was like us !!!! We could ask : Who made God.

Humans are needy and only pray if they need something. God is not needy God dosent need any "Things" from us. All God is asking for is youre love and trust. God dosent even need ouer prairs. We dont have to pray to God to tell God that we love him. He knows that by ouer hart and soul. Ouer hart and soul tells everything about who we are.

If you where on a sinking boat you would in the beginning have youre trust and faith in the capten and his crew to save youre life. But when they are gone "You will" pray to God in the end to save youre life. Trust me its common sense.




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reply to post by queenofangels_17


"your free will is a big responsibility"

Wow that is an argument I failed to consider regarding my stance on GOD giving us free will. A very profound & thought provoking idea. I am sorry I missed it the first time & am glad I reread the thread.

Though It does not sway me, GOOD POINT!

~HYP

reply to post by Zaimless


Zaimless,

Good question there... If Jesus is God....

The answer is.. he IS NOT.

God didn't ask him to sacrifice himself either, Jesus' task is to deliver the message that God sent him with. The people didn't like the message, and they tried to kill him, but they didn't succeed. the Children of Israel have a track record of killing the Prophets of God, they either disbelieve them or reject them.

God will never ask his servants to kill themselves, though he tries them whether their lives, families and properties are more important to them than the service of God, not by suicide.

When you take the time to know God, He will reveal the truth to you. God never changes the state of a person until the person changes what is in his heart and learn to fear God.

013.011 For him are angels ranged before him and behind him, who guard him by Allah's command. Lo! Allah changeth not the condition of a folk until they (first) change that which is in their hearts; and if Allah willeth misfortune for a folk there is none that can repel it, nor have they a defender beside Him.

I'd like to clarify the above statement. It never occurred to me that my GOD would create me inherently defective, then test me with the threat of a reprimand. I am sure my relationship with GOD is not analogous to that of the canine and man. I know. I know. Everyone's books and scrolls are just filled with examples of this. Having faith is one thing being a "patsy" is another. I saw a television show once. It polled 8th graders asking them "who wrote the bible". The majority replied "God". So it begins... Uh, no, humans wrote the bible and my book as well. These humans had the same diverse political and identity issues we have today. The books are compiled of additions, subtractions, plagiarisms and edits over the duration of vast amounts of time, much like a game of "telephone". They attempt to deal with the same issues as cave paintings and papyruses. (is that correct?)
This thread represents a cross section of the human population. Now imagine that in all of our diversity we all add input to a new book of religious doctrine as seamlessly as possible. What do you think we would have? A book that conflicts itself? A book that doesn't make sense? There is a little bit of everyone in every ones book. We can not write what we do not know. Sometimes a story is just a story. That is simply how I feel...

~HYP

I won't go into detail!!!! I have and would again, but not because a god, or greater being told me to do so. I killed because If I didn't and if my brothers/ sisters didn't, we would not have the ability to discus this today. I don't think too many "sane" people would do such a thing because their god told them to. It comes from the fear that if I don't I will not have the option tomorrow.

Originally posted by runetang
in short,

yes, if my God spoke to me in an unmistakable way, and told me to kill myself in this manner or that manner, I would do so.

It's really quite that simple, you might think im crazy, but I know my God wouldnt tell me to kill myself.

If he did, it would simply be a matter of obeying. Just like Abaraham was going to sacrifice Isaac (or Ishmael if you're muslim) because God told him to, but God stopped it because it was just a test of loyalty to begin with; God never intended to allow the blood to be shed you see.

And much like that, if he DID tell me, it would likely just be a test of faith.

I like your answer...but, perhaps God wishes to save you from a fate worse than death.

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD." - Isaiah 55:8

God would not tell his children to be suicide bombers because it goes against these directives:

"And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself." - Matthew 22:39

"But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you," - Matthew 5:44

Can you love and kill your neighbor/enemy someone at the same time?

Originally posted by Zaimless
As for those who answered, 'God would not ask you to do such a thing', think again. What do you think he did to his own son?? Its not like Jesus woke up one day and had nothing better to do ya know... God asked him if he would... would you die for the life of all the others, would you die for others to prove a point to me... . Jesus was given a choice and he took it. So was Jesus suicidal?? Is God mad (as insane)? IF you have the power to stop the death of your child wouldn't you???

This is a very, very good point. I was hoping and waiting for it.

Originally posted by Zaimless
Yes you would, does that mean you are more loving than God?

On the contrary, we would be more concerned about our own loss than to see the bigger meaning of that sacrifice.

Originally posted by Zaimless
If so what does that say about God?

It says God is willing to endure personal pain and suffering so that you and I could have our sin debt paid so that we could have a place in heaven if we trust in Him.

Originally posted by Zaimless
If Jesus is God, how come he goes from a God of merciless killing in the old testement, to this all loving dude of the new testement? Did he have some kind of spiritual awakening or what???

No, not really. Rather if you look at humanity as a child, this helps put things in perspective. We were babies in the garden. Made a bad call and were spanked. From there as children we were given the law, "Don't do this, don't do that". Once we got that concept (even though we didn't follow it), Christ came to explain what the heart of the law meant. He told us all the 'whys' so that we could grow from teen to adult. There was this advanced concept called grace. God didn't change. Humanity didn't change. What changed was the lessons God provided to us so that over the ages, we could see where He was coming from.

Originally posted by HypnoAsp
Thanx, I really wanted your thoughts on the matter though.

~Hyp

I think this response is for me? If so, it was a very good summary of the old testament and some of the new, but would disagree with "---Jesus abide in this dishonor until the advent of the Prophet Muhammad, who revealed the deception to those who believe in God's Law. I don't see neither to point or validation that Jesus abided in dishonor and was not good enough to necessitate anyone coming after the Son of God.

Originally posted by coastlinekid
To quote an episode of "The Simpsons", (by a drunken native)

" If god is omnipotent, why does he need us to worship him?"

He doesn't. He does however love us and invites the relationship with Him. I'm grateful for this, there was a time or two it sounds like He wanted to scrap us entirely and start over.

Originally posted by noone81
only way i would kill myself is if that god came down and gave me a "big'ol-fat-azz-bag-of-proof" thats who he was, then mabe, ill entertain the idea

He's done it in the past. Question is, if He did, would you then believe? Or would you deny it blaming it on hallucination, imagination, or other such non-conformities?

Originally posted by HaveYouConsidered?
Killing is considered a sin, whether killing oneself or someone else.

Just 2 cents.

This is an interesting point.

reply to post by spy66


spy,

it was Abraham actually, not Moses, and the son was Ismael not Isaac.

you have a good understanding of God and His power, and have fear in Him. keep your faith in God, He alone hears and answers our prayers. spend of what He gives you to help others, most especially share your faith in God to whomever wills to listen. God guides whomever wills to be guided in a straight path.

Peace!

Originally posted by queenofangels_17
reply to post by spy66

 

spy,

it was Abraham actually, not Moses, and the son was Ismael not Isaac.

you have a good understanding of God and His power, and have fear in Him. keep your faith in God, He alone hears and answers our prayers. spend of what He gives you to help others, most especially share your faith in God to whomever wills to listen. God guides whomever wills to be guided in a straight path.

Peace!

YEAH i knew it had to be wrong. I just tok it out of my minde as i saw the thread. Should of opend the Bibel first

Yes i fear God.

What we see as good deeds might not be looked upon as good deeds in the eyes of God.

God gave us common sense. We should try to use it once. Then we might be abel to see the right from wrong.

Like killing : common sense tell us that it is wrong. Ouer anger tells us its Okay to treat others like they treat us. So we can kill them to. Because we have a page in the bibel that say treat others like you would like to be treated youre self. And we miss use it for all its worth. Because we judge what others do to us, But not what we do to them. We see the needle in others eye but not the branch in ouer own eye.

Humans live by two sets of laws. One made by God and a set made by humans. And we prefer the laws of man. The law og man dont worship God.

Church and politics dont go hand in hand. Politics only worships human needs not God.

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reply to post by saint4God


saint4God,

the dishonor I was talking about is the dishonor of dying on the cross.

Jesus abide in this dishonor until the Prophet Muhammad, the Seal of the Prophets revealed the truth that Jesus didn't die on the cross, that evil didn't triumph over good and that God fulfilled his promise to Jesus... that is, a thousand angels will protect him from dashing his foot against a stone, how much more so from scourging and crucifixion?

there is no point for Jesus to die in the cross for the sin of other people, God is Just, a soul that sins must pay for his sins, no soul will bear the sins of another, Jesus (peace and God's blessings be upon him) delivered God's message, a complete guideline in how to be saved, by following God's Commandments faithfully. his enemies demanded his blood, seek to kill him and dishonor him but God will not let that happen to his faithful servant who fulfilled his duty of conveying the message.

004.171 O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.

005.099 The duty of the messenger is only to convey (the message). Allah knoweth what ye proclaim and what ye hide.

005.109 In the day when Allah gathereth together the messengers, and saith: What was your response (from mankind) ? they say: We have no knowledge. Lo! Thou, only Thou art the Knower of Things Hidden,

006.048 We send not the messengers save as bearers of good news and warners. Whoso believeth and doeth right, there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.

Messengers and Prophets are sent by God only as warners and bearers of good news... and to deliver the message, nothing else. Believe in the message of Jesus, and you will be saved.

" And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

There is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, Jesus is sent by God.

This is Jesus' message...the way to eternal life is to worship the One True God. Not for Jesus to die in the cross.

The same is testified by Jesus in the Holy Qur'an;

043.064 Lo! Allah, He is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him. This is a right path.

019.036 And lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So serve Him. That is the right path.

Jesus and his disciples will deny teaching the doctrine that most Christians are following now;

005.116 And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah ? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden ?

005.110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic.

*** some of these signs like when Jesus made a bird of clay and it became bird by God's leave are not included in the NT, but I found them in book written by Thomas about the childhood of Jesus, it's one of the things that convinced me that the Holy Qur'an is indeed God's word and the Truth. I invite you to study it, your knowledge of the Scriptures will be your guide whether it is the Truth or not. Trust your faith, whose foundation is God and His words.

the Holy Qur'an is God's message for us... Children of Israel. answer God's call, He's calling you now, if you truly love Him.

the following link is God's message for us... Children of Israel. read and ask for God's guidance when you read it.

www.sacred-texts.com...

www.sacred-texts.com...

www.sacred-texts.com...

www.sacred-texts.com...

www.sacred-texts.com...


if you are one of God's chosen He will expand your chest to receive this message, God knows best what is in our hearts, if He sent this to you, take the time to listen to Him.

003.074 He selecteth for His mercy whom He will. Allah is of Infinite Bounty.

Peace!