Another NASA employee comes forward - 8-9 Foot Alien Sighted

Originally posted by unnamedninja

Originally posted by nexusmagazine

Originally posted by unnamedninja
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Yeah I freely admit I'm ignorant. Now if everyone else could do the same we'd be getting somewhere. :thumb:

And yet here you are on ATS, which says on its logo to Deny Ignorance. LOL

I for one am NOT ignorant about Clark and his background, or his career. It seems a tad silly for you to ridicule Clark when you profess to be ignorant about him. Or maybe that is just the way you are ... ?

Duncan

I know about the guy's history and qualifications. They impressed you but did not impress me. What impresses me is people who I have actual experience of so I can judge their character properly. I have not met this man or had any in depth conversations with him, so I have to reserve judgement about his claims. Others like yourself just need an employment history and some qualifications to judge an entire man, that's your choice.

edit to add:

This is a matter which is very important to all of us. The truth about aliens is the first rung of the ladder of the meaning of life. All of us want to know why we're here and who is here with us. And many lack the patience to let this knowledge come to them in the fullness of time, or possibly even die first without ever discovering the truth. And so will grab onto any charlatan's coattails that comes along if he is reasonably qualified.

These are weighty matters, and while it might offer comfort to find someone you can believe, most of the time it is just our insatiable thirst for knowledge and truth which can sometimes blind us against those who deceive us.

Stephen Greer is yesterday's messiah, many of you here had hope he would reveal things you want to know, force disclosure or whatever. Then recently there was Mitchell, and now this guy. You people on ATS treat these guys like disposable truth dispensers, they become old hat and discarded and you look eagerly for the next one, the one that will have the actual real truth, and maybe a jpg to go with it. When will you realize you wont find the truth looking to others.

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Like I said earlier, I have had dealings with the guy for several years, plus I know many of the people he knows, going back 20 years or more, and have dealt with them also.

My support for him is based on far more than his written bio.

Ditto for Steven Greer too. I notice he aint exactly the flavour of the month, but in all my years of dealing with him, and many of his witnesses from the disclosure project, not one of them ever said a bad word about him, his integrity or his motives. My own dealings with him also show me a person of honesty and integrity.

Duncan

After listening to some of the folks who know Clark I am feeling a little bad.

It does make sense that if he has fallen on hard times he may just be in a desperate situation. I have to admit when I first read his story I took it to mean he wouldn't tell it unless somebody paid him.

Reading it again in the context of what folks are saying recently it sounds like he needs the money.

I read his entire site yesterday and there are some startling claims. I think the most touching story was an experience with Ellison Onizuka prior to the last Challenger mission.

The style of writing in the other pages is vastly different than his initial page which turned so many people (including me) off.

Maybe he saw the Ed Mitchell disclosure as a last ditch method to get his story out.

Anyway, if his stories are true about the space shuttle and secret DoD missions then they need to be told.

As one of his harshest critics here I will withhold judgment to see how this plays out.

Originally posted by emsed1
It does make sense that if he has fallen on hard times he may just be in a desperate situation.

To add to that, as for him not returning here ..........

Being he already had once bad experience here, and being his age factor - if I were 70sumpin years old, I doubt I would have the capacity to defend my claims against a whole board of fierce young whippersnappers .

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Fund his book Duncan. People do it all the time. You guys might have to sell them outside a bookstore such as at signing events, seminars or UFO conferences, etc. Get him on Coast to Coast! Whatever. I doesn't cost all that much. Maybe what five to ten grand?

Step up to the plate! Help your admired friend.

As for me.........no thanks

Originally posted by Malevolent_Aliens
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Just another eye witness to an Alien, there are thousands of them out there myself included. Nothing shocks me anymore, he talks about the REAL X-FILES and I'm sure that is going on! ET's are here like he says and they have been here but I do not expect the skeptics to take this seriously they will only learn for themselves the truth based upon so called "Undeniable proof' if that ever comes for them.

NASA and SETI are coverups yet everyone takes their words to be fact. Funny how the skeptics believe everything NASA & SETI have to say. They have been covering up aliens, ufo's and airbrushing things from the very begining. (In saying this I'm referring to those in the coverup not every worker for NASA or SETI is in the loop.) Disclosure is not meant for the entire world nor will it come. It's not about are we ready to accept that they are here, it's not about us it's about them and it's bigger than anyone can imagine.

Strange how there seems to be a multitude of alien life forms on this planet but no one seems to meet any, why? Shouldn't the intellectual seek like company?

Originally posted by emsed1
After listening to some of the folks who know Clark I am feeling a little bad.

It does make sense that if he has fallen on hard times he may just be in a desperate situation. I have to admit when I first read his story I took it to mean he wouldn't tell it unless somebody paid him.

Reading it again in the context of what folks are saying recently it sounds like he needs the money.

I read his entire site yesterday and there are some startling claims. I think the most touching story was an experience with Ellison Onizuka prior to the last Challenger mission.

The style of writing in the other pages is vastly different than his initial page which turned so many people (including me) off.

Maybe he saw the Ed Mitchell disclosure as a last ditch method to get his story out.

Anyway, if his stories are true about the space shuttle and secret DoD missions then they need to be told.

As one of his harshest critics here I will withhold judgment to see how this plays out.

Thats kinda how I feel. I mean, most everyone knows what stress and anxiety can do to you if you are hitting hard times. And imagine how frustrating it would be if (IF!) his story is true. An event that has affected him profoundly, and one that would change how humans view the world... and he is just stuck with it. Whether it was him burning the wrong bridges from past mistakes, or his inability to be an effective businessman to sell his story.

And thats how his book proposal sounds to me. Frustration, aggravation, last-ditch effort to sell his story. Someone said earlier (and hit the nail on the head). Run the lecture circuit, excite some interest in your experience, then market it. Standard business procedure.

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Thats kinda how I feel. I mean, most everyone knows what stress and anxiety can do to you if you are hitting hard times. And imagine how frustrating it would be if (IF!) his story is true. An event that has affected him profoundly, and one that would change how humans view the world... and he is just stuck with it.

He's sat on it for this long without any apparent problems.

Remember this is an old man, he's talking about events that happened a long time ago. I find his sudden need to spill the beans to be a bit too coincidental.

I'd like to make a point about skeptics also, if anyone cares to listen. I hope it might broaden their scope a bit and help them in dealing with people they encounter on this site.

Being skeptical does not make someone a skeptic. Being skeptical about one man's claims does not mean one is skeptical about everything. What happens all too often on this site, is that people will just think "Oh that guy is just another skeptic, I'm not gonna listen to him." I really hope there aren't any who use this site purely to be skeptical, because that is just basically trolling. We're all here for the same reason basically.

So before you might just label someone a skeptic and dismiss 'em, click on their name and look at their posts. See what topics they're interested in. I myself think I am terribly gullible in some matters, but in matters of human beings and money I tend to be skeptical. But everyone has their own take on things.

Peace

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Nicely stated!

Wait, I have a question:

Did he state/publish this story before now?

A little research on Mr. McClelland's credentials:

His website mentions that his name appears on commemorative monuments to three space missions.

On the Mercury Monument he is listed as working for Kaiser Steel. On the Gemini Monument he is listed as working for Boeing. On the Apollo Monument he is listed as working for Martin. Three different employers during the 60's. No retirement benefits to be expected there.


An article link earlier in this thread says be began working in the shuttle program for NASA around 1990 and was dismissed around 1992. This doesn't really tell us when he was hired by NASA though. Somewhere else in this thread someone said his age in 1992 was 56. Under CSRS retirement at 56 should make him eligible for retirement benefits if he had been employed for 30 years but in 1962 he was apparently working for Kaiser Steel. Under FERS he may have been eligible for reduced benefits after 10 years (1982?) but in any case I couldn't find anything called "Space Program Retirement" he refers to being denied.

Here is a third person who support the claims of Dr Edgar Mitchell and Clark McClelland.
He is an anonymous person in this case, so that makes it a bit difficult, but maybe he will makes his true identity known some day.
On project Camelot is already much information findable from this person.
So up to the next.

We have just received this personal statement from the ex UFO archivist known on our site as Mr X, supporting Dr Edgar Mitchell and Clark McClelland in their own public statements. We have continued to keep in close touch since we first met him in 2006.

While working for a major aerospace company in the mid 1980's, I was assigned to a special project. This special project was basically archiving and sorting government documents of all sorts related to the UFO phenomenon dating from the late 1940's up to the present at the time. Please see my interview here at Camelot for more information.

Many of these documents, films and artifacts were sealed, but a small percentage were not. I was to sort these things into categories, mostly documents and including hundreds of photos.

When on this assignment, I was exposed to photographs of UFOs and even some of ETs themselves, both dead and alive. I became very much acquainted with our government's involvement in UFOs and their occupants.

Although I have not seen any photos or documents that depict any ETs ABOARD any of our space vehicles, I DID see photos and read documents about sightings of UFOs during several space flights. Pictures and documents were clear and there was no doubt in my mind, and still isn't, that there have been sightings during many of our space flights, at least up to the mid 1980's when I was personally exposed to this material.

In conclusion, I have very good reason to believe that both Edgar Mitchell and Clark McClelland are telling the truth in the statements put forth this week on the internet, and I fully support their effort to get the truth out to the general public

www.projectcamelot.net...

Originally posted by spacevisitor
He is an anonymous person in this case, so that makes it a bit difficult, but maybe he will makes his true identity known some day.

Priceless.

Originally posted by nexusmagazine
Like I said earlier, I have had dealings with the guy for several years, plus I know many of the people he knows, going back 20 years or more, and have dealt with them also.

My support for him is based on far more than his written bio.

Ditto for Steven Greer too. I notice he aint exactly the flavour of the month, but in all my years of dealing with him, and many of his witnesses from the disclosure project, not one of them ever said a bad word about him, his integrity or his motives. My own dealings with him also show me a person of honesty and integrity.

Duncan

Hey Duncan - thanks for your input and personal experience - I hate to see valuable sources be scoffed at - but it's also the norm on this website too (unfortunately).

And again to eveyone so stuck on his $500 publishing fee - ! If you think he should do it for FREE, then please send ME all your research, photos, and personal stories - U2U me and I will give you my address to send it to (you pay postage too) - All you who think he should give away his life's work for free, please send me yours - for free -

Publishers always pay for stories - $500 is nominal - he's not making any money off that - selling it for $100,000 maybe - but $500? Come on people - - -

Have any of you actually considered that he just might be telling the TRUTH and you're all sitting here picking away at this and that and the other - ?? Oops, there goes another source.....

He owes no one any explanation - he doesn't even owe anyone his story yet has given it - thank you Mr. McClelland -

I truly believe only a very small percent of the global population really get what's going on -

Originally posted by kshaund
Hey Duncan - thanks for your input and personal experience - I hate to see valuable sources be scoffed at - but it's also the norm on this website too (unfortunately).

Whether this is valuable or not is exactly what's debatable. You should therefore expect some amount of scoffing.

And again to eveyone so stuck on his $500 publishing fee - ! If you think he should do it for FREE, then please send ME all your research, photos, and personal stories - U2U me and I will give you my address to send it to (you pay postage too) - All you who think he should give away his life's work for free, please send me yours - for free -

So far, from what I can tell, he has exactly one story that he's already posted on his website. That he saw an alien on a monitor many years ago.

How much will you pay me to hear of my one sighting?

Have any of you actually considered that he just might be telling the TRUTH and you're all sitting here picking away at this and that and the other - ?? Oops, there goes another source.....

That picking away, as you call it, is exactly what's required to determine what constitutes good sources versus bad. Unfortunately, there are so many people willing to believe at the price of credibility that these measures are necessary.

He owes no one any explanation - he doesn't even owe anyone his story yet has given it - thank you Mr. McClelland -

If he doesn't want to accept the onus of explanation, then he should keep his story to himself and shut down his website. Seeing as how he worked within the scientific community, I'm sure he'd more than understand that. And by his own words, all of humanity is owed his story*.

I truly believe only a very small percent of the global population really get what's going on -

Would you just happen to be part of that small percentage?

*For a small fee

Supposing Clark McClelland's stories are true and he is in a bad financial situation due to "The Man" then I don't have any problem with him trying to make dough from it.

From what I've read he's talking about a lot more than just seeing an ET. Seems to me like he's decided to make his stand and is going down with all guns blazing.

Originally posted by kshaund
Publishers always pay for stories - $500 is nominal - he's not making any money off that - selling it for $100,000 maybe - but $500? Come on people - - -

With that said -- publishers see the work they are asked to publish. Perhaps the publishing companies Clark has hit up just don't think the material is worth even $500.

I'm sorry but you people just go to far, ET is here but the Most of you are the reason why the debate is never taken seriously, sound and vision please........

Aliens exists beyond debate. Still there are many people who refuse to accept the inevitable. We are not alone!

Hopefully in 50 to 100 years a new awareness will spread in our world and a new paradigm will start, thus making aliens and many other things normal.

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NASA is not the only "airbrushing" culprit. Remember in the 60s when the Russians took pictures of the back side of the moon. The photos they gave the world had numerous airbrushing spots on the pictures (according to our best photo people).
Now we know why the photos had things covered up - huh John Lear?