I-Team: New UFO Mystery Surfaces

I wonder if this thing was copper based, as copper burns in the turquoise color range. See these photos for comparison.

jchemed.chem.wisc.edu...




EDIT: just found this:

It has been known for a spent nuclear reactor fuel assembly with fuel rods that contain radioactive nuclear fuel in a cladding tube, which represents a tightly enclosed capsule, to be filled with copper granulate among the fuel rods and then to form a container of copper sheet-metal, sealed in gas-tight fashion, around the nuclear reactor fuel assembly at high temperatures and high pressure. The gas-tightly sealed container is placed in a drilled hole in granite at an ultimate storage site, and the hole is filled with bentonite clay as a barrier to radioactive emitters (radionuclides). The copper granulate in the sheet copper container is intended to lend mechanical stability to the container.

www.freepatentsonline.com...

Could it have been spent nuclear waste (from a secret military project?) in a copper based canister that was captured by the earths gravity?



[edit on 31-7-2008 by no name needed]

Sorry if this has already been posted, but here is a news interview with an eye witness. Enjoy!

www.lasvegasnow.com... aunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&rnd=24781559

reply to post by mistressofspices


Ive been on this since May. I was going to wait till I got a call back but when the story broke I had to take the initiative. I was already slated to be turned down. I will appeal it bit I believe George Knapp will likely get the information out first.

Keep us posted.

This sounds like something worth vigorously pursuing.

reply to post by projectvxn


This reminds me of something that recently happened in my area:

www.waff.com...

Again - the landing was followed quickly be helicopters.

reply to post by chazzz


Another interesting story. Thank for posting.

Fascinating story. The military was there to retrieve the object in 17 minutes, which makes me think they were tracking it, expecting it, or they brought it down. I guess it is very likely it was of terrestrial origin, but it was described as oval-shaped and turquoise. That's weird.

Thank you for posting this! I look forward to updates.

To 'mistressofspices'
I would have to doubt this since a foreign entity would want to keep such "Black Projects" under close scrutiny and would do everthing possible to keep it in their airspace.

To 'no name needed'
It might be plausible but his account is slightly different in detail as if something burning in the leading and not just trailing edge was turquoise. I can't verify this because the link is not working for me anymore.

I cannot retrieve your link either, 'chazz'

Originally posted by Fastwalker81

Originally posted by AntisepticSkeptic
No photographic evidence whatsoever to prove this actually happened?

OOOH NOOEESSS!!! NOT AGAIN!!!!

So now you are questioning if the event really happened?

If you had read the thread and not just come in to debunk like you normally do you would have found that FOIA requests were denied and the explanation was given that it was just a training exercise.

So that clearly indicates that something indeed did happen. Together with multiple witness accounts (who are obviously all lunatics according to you) makes a pretty well documented case.

Enjoy the rest of your round of debunking.

I was questioning about the lack of photographic evidence of the event in
which involved "a fiery object that flashed across the sky"

I was questioning about the lack of photographic evidence of the event in
which involved "some kind of surveillance vehicle"

I was questioning about the lack of photographic evidence of the event in
which involved "men inside the vehicle had a military bearing"

I was questioning about the lack of photographic evidence of the event in
which involved "one of the vehicles was parked outside the station, seemingly conducting a surveillance of the place"

I was questioning about the lack of photographic evidence of the event in
which involved "These guys staring you down had a 'Men in Black' feel to it"

I was questioning about the lack of photographic evidence of the event in
which involved "at least five helicopters flying in formation including a large sky crane"

I was questioning about the lack of photographic evidence of the event in
which involved "The crane picked up the oval shaped object, still glowing, and flew away"

I'm not questioning whether any incident actually happened. I'm questioning the evidence in which this is pointing to a "black ops black government extraterestrial/experimental speccraft/aircraft crash retrieval" did ever happened.

It seems the investgative journalists people that were involved in this non-event incident are putting ideas into their interviewees with their questions/statements:

George Knapp: "These guys staring you down had a 'Men in Black' feel to it?"

Linda Moulton Howe: THAT MEANS SOMEONE WAS TRACKING THE OBJECT ALL THE WAY DOWN AND ALREADY HAD THE SKYCRANE IN THE AIR TO RETRIEVE ITLinda

Moulton Howe ID ANY GOVERNMENT AGENTS OR VEHICLES SHOW UP AFTER SUN UP?

What kind of investigative journalism is this? If you hear Linda's interviews in the past, she is notorious of putting ideas with her questions during her interview.

Also the interviewees are clearly biased in thinking this is some sort of a covert spooky black ops gubbermint alien retrieval nonsense when in fact nothing points to that. tt is clear that they've been watching too much X-Files.

And this is the same Eartfiles.com that believed the C2C Caret drone nonsense was real! Ooooh noeess!!!!

And where is the photograph of the alleged crash location? Where?

When it hit the ground about 100 yards west of the river, he saw the whole thing bounce back up in the air with even more glowing red-yellow pieces around the big center object. And yet, he did not hear the crash sound he expected. “There was only a thump sound,” he told me.

So this same Linda Moulton who usually took hundreds of pictures, radiation reading and samples of smelly mutilated cows (often travelling hundreds of miles to do that) in the middle of nowhere, but somehow didn't have any photographic evidence of the site when in fact there was clearly a crash site location mentioned (and debris) by the interviewee?

This is pure B.S.

No photographic evidence of military personnel, vehicles, helicopters. B.S.
(oooh how convenient)

The phone didn't work when this incident happened (oooh how convenient)

No photographic or physical evidence of crash site by ANYONE. (oooh how convenient)

So all these and the best they have is a few interviews by some hillbilies in the midle of nowhere who most likely watch TV and movies in their spare time.

Wow really convincing evidence here folks.

And I always find it funny all thes alien shmalien UFO shmUFO stuff ALWAYS happened when these things come together:

1. hillbillys
2. Middle of Hicksville where the population is sparse
3. Lack of ANY PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE other than anecdotal hearsay
4. NoCamera (eh, who needs em)
5. Cellphone wont work (eh, who cares)
6. Lack of physical evidence (crash site, debris)

I guess this is allll it's a coverup... Shhhhhhhhh.....














[edit on 1-8-2008 by AntisepticSkeptic]

reply to post by AntisepticSkeptic


Nice post Antiseptic.

I would like to congratulate you on your debunking and debating skills.

You are now a friend.

reply to post by AntisepticSkeptic


Well, something out of the ordinary happened here! Main stream media covered this and the military said that they were conducting "rescue exercises" in this location...SOOOO, SOMETHING DID HAPPEN!!!

Originally posted by no name needed
reply to post by AntisepticSkeptic

 

Well, something out of the ordinary happened here! Main stream media covered this and the military said that they were conducting "rescue exercises" in this location...SOOOO, SOMETHING DID HAPPEN!!!

Originally posted by AntisepticSkeptic
I'm not questioning whether any incident actually happened. I'm questioning the evidence in which this is pointing to a "black ops black government extraterestrial/experimental speccraft/aircraft crash retrieval" ever happened.

Out of the ordinary to people living in hicksville maybe. But nothing points out or any evidence thereof that points to a something out of the ordinary by the military. The military don't sit on their butts all day. You know they have these kind of "exercises" every now and then.

Military exercises + people in hicksville + 'journalists' biased in UFO/alienology = one good made up story

So there you go.






[edit on 31-7-2008 by AntisepticSkeptic]

Great find OP! Starred and Flagged

Quick Suggestion, would it maybe help if one of our Las Vegas ATS Members went to the "crash site"?

Chances are, that there is nothing there, but checking it out wouldn't hurt anybody

Also, i wonder what BS story the Government/Military will tell us?

reply to post by AntisepticSkeptic


They may have these exercises everyday, but on the military reservations not on public land.

Originally Posted By: Tuebor
Nice post Antiseptic.

I would like to congratulate you on your debunking and debating skills.

You are now a friend.

I’d take care claiming as a “friend” anyone who, even in the heat of intense debate, would resort to generalized, and possibly slanderous, ad hominem attacks to aggrandize spurious rhetoric.

Originally Posted By: AntisepticSkeptic
This is B.S.

No photographic evidence of military personnel, vehicles, helicopters. B.S.
(oooh how convenient)

The phone didn't work when this incident happened (oooh how convenient)

No photographic or physical evidence of crash site by ANYONE. (oooh how convenient)

I’m not sure about the rest of you, but personally, I don’t happen to walk around with a camera at the ready 24/7. If I’m up in the middle of the night/wee hours of the morning, I’m probably not doing anything I’d ever want photographic evidence of; I don’t know, it’s just not my kink.

Yes, my cell phone has photo and video capabilities, not that I use them enough to be able to operate either, reliably; especially in the extremis of a potential UFO encounter.

There are more of us than one might think; consider the evidence, oft bemoaned on these boards!

I think it is safe to say that the witnesses to such events are seldom so blase as to be able to accomplish the instantaneous mental shift from awed citizen to cool paparazzi/photojournalist when confronted with something not just out of the ordinary, but perhaps, potentially, other-worldly. Even if we assume they had a photographic device at hand.



(Side-note, sort of: I had a friend who actually did keep a loaded camera at his side at all times. Always kept the telephoto lens mounted, so he’d “be ready to get the killer shot” he’d say. The camera would hang from a strap around his neck; with the lens, it’d hang halfway to his knees. Didn’t take long to realize he was just “over-compensating”, you know?)



What would photographic “evidence” in this case actually prove to you AntisepticSkeptic, really?

That there was a military presence in the area at some time, perhaps coincident, with the appearance of an object unrecognized by witnesses? That, in itself does nothing to disprove the claims, such as they are, of any of the witnesses.

Nor would it disprove that the military that was present (and in a perfect world, posed for pictures) used “a training exercise” as a convenient cover excuse for a recovery operation.

And so the witness’s cell phone didn’t work when he needed it. You, yourself, characterized the reported location of the incident as “the Middle of Hicksville”. Well Golly Gosh! Dem dad-burn gizmos jes’ seem to have a habit of not working properly in remote, sparsely populated areas: seems to have some correlation to the fact that they don’t erect a lot of cell towers in areas were they don’t get alot of cell traffic. Coverage can be spotty, and vary with atmospheric conditions on occasion.

Maybe you’re just used to Verizon?


And what would you expect to find in a debris field that a good recovery team would be likely to over-look? Some little piece of glowing “something” that pulsed “Alien Artifact” when it sensed the presence of an ardent, non-government-affiliated searcher?

How would you be able to tell “debris” from simple trash? You want hi-res. digital photos of burn marks from the impact site? Or is it just the remnants of the last Boy Scout campfire?

Originally Posted By: AntisepticSkeptic
So all these and the best they have is a few interviews by some hillbilies in the midle of nowhere who most likely watch TV and movies in their spare time.

Wow really convincing evidence here folks.

Unless you are presently engaged in an activity more beneficial to humanity than stroking your...ego, I would strongly suggest that you refrain from disparaging folks you have never admitted to knowing personally.

It is rude. It is uncalled for. It reeks of neurotic insecurity. And, to say the least, it reduces the rhetorical weight of your argument to that of schoolyard name-calling session among none-to-bright 6 year olds!

Originally Posted By : AntisepticSkeptic
And I always find it funny all thes alien shmalien UFO shmUFO stuff ALWAYS happened when these things come together:

1. hillbillys
2. Middle of Hicksville where the population is sparse
3. Lack of ANY PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE other than anecdotal hearsay
4. Camera (eh, who needs em)
5. Cellphone wont work (eh, who cares)
6. Lack of physical evidence (crash site, debris)

I guess this is allll it's a coverup... Shhhhhhhhh.....

And I always find it funny how those who apparently lack the courage to admit they don’t have all the answers are quick and eager to disparage those who ask the questions.


So there You go!

reply to post by Bhadhidar

And I always find it funny how those who apparently lack the courage to admit they don’t have all the answers are quick and eager to disparage those who ask the questions.

So are you talking about the skeptics disparaging the believers or the other way around?

The way I see it it's the woo-woo believers of faith who are willing to believe ANYTHING without a shred of evidence and the skeptics who are asking REAL honest questions:

1. Where's the proof or any verifiable evidence that this ufo crash/retrieval incident took place? (anecdotal and hearsay 'evidence' don't count - people lie/make stuff up/confabulate especially in the field of UFO/alienlogy for example: Billy Meier, John Lear, C2C drone (ironically posted by earthfiles.com as real, haw)

2. If the beleivers believe (blindly) that these UFOS were in fact not terestrial
(as stated by the interviewee in earthfiles) capable of travelling vast distances and vastly faster than the speed of light then why are they crashing all over the place? (I guess they didn't pay enough money to their maintenance crew)

3. Where's the photograhic/physical evidence of such a crash site exist which could prove such a crash happened? (Yip, conveniently missing from the mentions of George Knapp and earthfiles) Crash location and debris existence explicitly stated by some witnesses.

4. If this was such an ultra covert black ops operation then why were the militaries parading around in the middle of nowhere and parading their 'military bearing' to show they were there as mentioned by one of the eyewitnesses (more likely a normal military exercise if you ask me)

This is just an overblown over exaggerated confabulated story about an actual 'normal military exercise claimed by a bunch of people in the middle of nowhere as a UFO crash/retrieval incident with nonexistent connection and evidence to back it up.

-I'm not the ones who are claiming ridiculous nonsense.

-I'm not the ones who are making up nonexistent connections.

-I'm not the ones who are exaggerating actual events.

-I'm not the ones who are confabulating real events with ZERO EVIDENCE AND PROOF to back it up.

The burden of proof is in the hands of the people who are making these ridiculous claims and spouting nonsense and connections not the other way around.

So there YOU go!











[edit on 1-8-2008 by AntisepticSkeptic]

Originally posted by JDN24

Also, i wonder what BS story the Government/Military will tell us?

Well it would be taken as BS one way or the other by the conspiracy believers.

Government/Military: "There was no military exercise conducted"

Conspiracy believers : "B.S! Coverup! "

Government/Military: There was a military exercise conducted"

Conspiracy believers : "B.S! Coverup! "

Government/Military: Aliens are a threat and we are taking care of it.

Conspiracy believers : "B.S. It's a false flag to unite the world under One World Government! "





[edit on 1-8-2008 by AntisepticSkeptic]

The burden of proof is in the hands of the people who are making these ridiculous claims and spouting nonsense and connections not the other way around.

My friend, you appear to have unusually low tolerance for stories of unexplained and paranormal phenomena. May I ask what exactly compelled you to register for an account on this forum? I find the ATS brand of cynical skepticism fascinating - it seems to be a manifestation of the same yearning for identity and belonging that the fanatical believers experience.

The problem is that some CT's will jump to outlandish conclusions at the drop of a hat with little or no thought of entertaining a reasonable explanation.

I always get an image in my head of Mel Gibson in the movie Conspiracy Theory when these wild theories are thrown around.