New Mystery Disease in China, is this the next big outbreak?

reply to post by kdial1


As previously stated, this does have a lot of signs on the 1918 outbreak of Spanish Flu. H1N1 was the Influenza A subtype strain that caused the trouble. I don't think that it is H5N1 right now because not enough cases have been reported -- if H5N1 has mutated and is now human-to-human transmitted, then there should be thousands of cases already. Animal and strains have been linked; for example H5N1 is bird flu, there is another strain called swine flu - ever thought it might be that strain ? Those strains are H1N1, H1N2, H3N1 and H3N2. NOT H5N1.

If your not sure about bird flu, follow my signature; it should help.

Fox

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Check out the conversation in this link, this doctor is saying it is not contagious, but he is also elusive about the disease:

en.epochtimes.com...

Originally posted by mybigunit
wow if you want to wipe out the world now would be the time. People from every country will be there. If they get sick and take it back to their homelands....thats probably why this isnt on the news.

You beat me to it!

What better way to spread a virus than infect people at an event where people from all over the world will be, who will then take their infections back home with them.

I just watched 28 days later the other night too

Hey everyone I find the information provided here very very interesting but my question is, after careful research, is there any actual proof that this is happening? The only evidence I find is the article including that email. Is that all we are going on? I would like to know more but I find myself in a situation if it really is happening the media wouldn't report it so its a matter if we believe or not I guess. Someone though, if they have more information please provide. Thanks!

For those asking about why it is that diseases like sars, various flus, etc tend to originate in china, from what I've read and understood (I'm a physicist, not a biologist, so bear with the layman's post), the reason for them coming from that direction is because of the tendency of people in that part of the world to raise both pigs and birds like chickens and ducks, in close proximity with their own living quarters. Most of these diseases are ones that hop between species, and with the close proximity, that's why it's more likely to originate there. In the west, we raise our animals at a much greater distance from where we live, and thus the diseases have a lot fewer opportunities to make that species jump, not to mention the fact that birds and pigs aren't usually raised close by each other..

Does that make sense?

Originally posted by Lucidliving
If you wanted to infect the world population with something like this, START AN OUTBREAK AT THE OLYMPIC GAMES!!! This way everybody from all over the world would be infected and carry the virus back to their home country.

I'm pretty sure at the first sign of people turning purple and bleeding on the person sat next to them at the Olympics..Then the whole of China would be quarantined by the rest of the planet.
If you're going to the Games..Don't expect to be allowed near an international airport afterwards.

If planes did manage to leave China during an obvious outbreak then they'd either be instructed to land again at Same point,Jet fighter escorted and taken to a facility for quarantine/study of disease in an isolated facility..Or shot down before reaching intended destination.

If you hear of planes being allowed to land elsewhere..
Then exit all populated areas in an orderly fashion..

I prefer the method of ..running around in a circle (preferably anti-clockwise)arms raised above shoulders, waving side to side..and screaming..(in an orderly fashion) "We're all going to die..Oh fudge it we're all going to die".

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This is some scary stuff, I have never really thought about possible pandemics before so I googled some of the biggest ones in history. The Black Death killed 75 million people world wide in the 13-1400's, when the worlds population was considerably less than it is today. If something of this scale should happen again it would be absolutely catastrophic. Heres to hoping this isnt anything as dangerous/contagious and it cleared up before the Olympics.

What a horrible way to die aswell. .

Scary stuff indeed. The Olympics does seems a too good of an oppertunity to miss doesn't it.

Anyone ever play Pandemic II? ??

Originally posted by MrSinister
If pigs are used for organ transplantation due to their high compatibility with humans. Does this translate to the pig virus as well? Will it make the jump more easily at us, thus harboring a potential lethal pandemic?

Not worried yet, but interesting story.

Yes, and not many people know about this. This is how they made the HIV virus. They took a bovine virus and human virus to create a mutated type virus. Viruses can merge together and specifically human/animal ones if the right chemistry is set in motion.

I haven't checked if this is the same location as those people dropping dead and turning purple. But didn't another news source say that some atomic bombs detonated underground?

I wonder if this is directly linked to the fallout of radiation from below. Maybe some people got hit with Acute Radiation Sickness from those underground atomic bombs being blown up and then sealed with concrete.

link

well im just glad that neither me or my family are going to the olmpics this year. Although i suppose if there is a massive outbreak it probably wouldnt help us in the long run

Anyone here actually read the PROMED article Link to Article www.promedmail.org...:1001:3053288207592996::NO::F2400_P1001_BACK_PAGE,F2400_P1001_PUB_MAIL_ID:1000,73306

while your at it read what PROMED is and put yourselves on the maillist for a week. You'll probaly would not leave your homes for next century

you know I find it interesting that people always talk about how the government or the illuminati are going to depopulate the world. Have you ever stopped to think, the only thing they have to do is go to alaska, dig up a grave of someone that died from the virus, and contaiminate a willing host? Think about it, there is all these crazy secs out there, whats to stop one from infecting 1-2 people, taking it back via plane to whereever, infecting a couple more after the first 2 die, then just sneezing all over the place at the olympics. In one fail swoop a terrorist/governement/sect/whatever crazy SOB, could have the virus that killed 100 of millions world wide, do it cheaply, and effectively, and all it would cost would be a couple of bodies. This would be a scenario for a terrorist. The government or Illuminati would have complete access to weaponized versions already produced.

You guys worry to much. If it was going to happen it would have happened already. No body is crazy enough to actively try and kill off the population of the world. Not with Viruses anyway. There is no way to control there mutation. Yes it could kill off X amount, whats to stop it from killing Y amount via mutation after X amount has died. Or killing off Z amount after Y amount died off, right after X amount.

If the illuminati are out there, they want to control the world, not kill it, and control means using the tools you have to exert authority over those in your influence. Can I see some dieing off here and there, yes. Its nature. Do I see a planned wipe of civilization, no, never, not going to happen. We have come to rely to much on each other. Our jobs, our lives, our society has become too specialized. Its kinda like the old saying, standing on the shoulders of Giants. The Giants being the great inventors, thinkers, etc. There are so many layers of giants now, to kill them all off unconditionally, would throw us back to medival times or worse. Do you really think the illuminati would give up there future generations in some kind of deprevity in order to do such a thing.

I personally really doubt it.

just my opinion anyway,

Cheers,

Camain

reply to post by MrSinister


I was told by a rep from a company that supplies porcine heart valves for transplant that those pigs are raised only for transplant. They are bred separately from commercial pigs and raised in a facility just to be slaughtered for transplant tissues, so I guess it would be harder for them to get this virus.

reply to post by smurtall


I had an anatomy/physiology teacher years ago who brought this up in class. Some students were giving him the "your crazy" look and he said, "Think about it, where do all the new flu strains seem to originate from? Do you think China has any qualms about testing on their own people?" Makes sense to me.

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Sounds a little bit like ammonia poisoning case I read about, where everyone around the person died.

Originally posted by mybigunit
wow if you want to wipe out the world now would be the time. People from every country will be there. If they get sick and take it back to their homelands....thats probably why this isnt on the news.

thats what I think. Very interesting that.

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
So who's all for buying a gas mask!

Seriously though...anyone done any research on what kind of gas masks/filters would protect one for up to 2 months against bio-weapons?

You'd have to get a respirator that would be specific for viruses. A regular hospital mask won't work because it's designed to filter what you are breathing out onto a patient. An N95 respirator mask made by 3M is the thing to have. There are different sizes and needs to be fitted to your face.

Also, remember your eyes drain into ducts that empty into the back of your throat. If you got a droplet from someone's sneeze in your eye, the virus could travel down to the back of your throat and possibly to your lungs. You obviously can't put respirators on your eyes, but eye protection that would keep you from being infected if someone sneezed or coughed nearby would be good.

I don't plan on being coughed on though, because I'll be holed up at home alone, for weeks if a pandemic starts!

www.health.state.mn.us... trol/ppe/comp/n95.html

This thread brings up a great point. I would make a note to find out if any of your neighbors are going to travel to the games. If they are be alert.

I typically try to find out neighbors jobs and see if they travel out of the country, anyway. (nosy neighbor)

The olympic games in china would be the ideal place for something to go down. Out of curiousity, how tight are/is China's borders? Does anyone have any solid info on that?

I will be getting some extra dry food and bottled water before the start of the games just in case.

good topic.

C1

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Whats a rife machine?