New Mystery Disease in China, is this the next big outbreak?

I've only been at ATS for five minutes, and I'm already scared to death.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
I think we're seeing the status quo for China. I personally feel like they've had frequent viral and other medical outbreaks for quite some time now. The difference is, with them just about to take the world's largest stage for a couple of weeks, something communist governments have a very tough time managing and manipulating has reared it's head: international scrutiny. Transparency and communism do not go hand in hand. (Actually transparency doesn't seem to hold hands with any government, but the more democratic governments have better learned how to filter information and break things gently vs more strict governments which only have experience squashing information outright.)

So while I share everyone's concerns and feel that these games have a certain bad mojo surrounding them, I don't believe that these issues we've seen lately in China have sprung up overnight.

hearsay from a close friend who spent two years there, but he says that some of the bio agents they test on their own people then burn down entire villages to cover it all up. humans are quite expendable there. yes. china has two faces...the one they're attempting to show the world next month, and the other very ugly one.

is it too soon to say don't fly if you don't have to and stay away from crowds?

maybe this ties into the september 8th topic...what's the incubation period. not trying to be funny...

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Originally posted by Cyberbian
reply to post by kattraxx

 

There is some truth to staying isolated during the pandemic.
Transfer through water is not to be ignored. I would boil all tap water.

Some people may develop resistance, or have delayed onset, so two weeks is not enough to ensure missing the wave. It comes in waves, and generally returns in a year or two to get those who missed the first wave.

Six weeks would be the best bet. Expect a lesser but significant bump at four weeks after the initial outbreak, where those who come out at two weeks, get infected and show symptoms two weeks later. The bumps get progressively smaller until about 3 months when the local spread burns itself out.

Some people should be expected to become carriers, having the disease, spreading it, but not having the symptoms. There is nothing you can do to protect yourself from that one, but it is rare.

Thyphoid Mary was such a carrier. Interestingly Thyphoid is a form of salmonilla.

Salmonilla is fairly innocuous and there have always been outbreaks. But recently it has gotten lots of attention. I wonder if we are not in a state of biological war and no one has bothered to inform the public, are they practicing their defensive moves, or do they believe we are being probed for vulnerability to a more effective form?

The three men in China all died the same day, were walking around until they turned red and bled out of every oriface of the head. That suggests a weaponized virus. Extremely fast acting. The incubation period would be less than 24 hours. Not the usual 2 weeks, if two of them were infected by human to human contact with the other. Otherwise the deaths on the same day was one hell of a coincidence.



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I agree, this smacks of weaponized for sure.

It makes no logical sense for a disease to kill off it's host so quickly. Part of the reason Ebola isn't really a "worry" (compared to say, AIDS) -- is that it kills the host before he/she has a chance to infect many others.

A "spray" or an artificial release of such a virulent bug is the only logical explaination IMO.

It would make no evolutionary sense for a virus or bacteria to kill off it's host before it could spread to more people and mutate.

[edit on 28-7-2008 by MystikMushroom]

Ebola never came out of this area of the world,and i remember hearing it once came from the Amazon area in South America.Isn't this also where SARS and the bird flu come from?

Just found some info on Asia on Ebola



In addition to Africa, outbreaks of newly reported lethal viruses have appeared in North America, South America, Asia, Australia, and Europe. Scientists note that the emergence of these deadly viruses, in most cases, coincides with the recent encroachment of human beings on tropical rain forests and once-isolated rural villages. Experts believe that the original hosts of these deadly viruses are somewhere in these areas. Health experts hypothesize that newly built roadways connecting urban centers with small villages in western and central Africa, the development over the last few decades in tropical rain forests, the advent of jet travel, large-scale farming, and a massive trend toward urbanization have facilitated the spread of these previously unknown viruses among human populations.

Is this Ebola?I don't know

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Originally posted by windwaker
I've only been at ATS for five minutes, and I'm already scared to death.

Welcome to ATS. You will want to do two things:

1. Pay little attention to much of this rubbish
2. Read all of it so you can make sure that you catch pearls like this thread before they hit the Main Stream.


Yep, that's about it.

So who's all for buying a gas mask!

Seriously though...anyone done any research on what kind of gas masks/filters would protect one for up to 2 months against bio-weapons?

I hate the thought of having to wear a gas mask 24-7 for 8 weeks.

NWO and thier de-popluation strats for the lose...

i was on another forum and a guy claimed to be illuma-naughty and he was trying to get responses from people about ways to reduce the population...very sad

he said he was against the one side strategy of usinf aids and stuff..


Dr.Deagle knows what's going on
video.google.com...






www.nutrimedical.com...



take care

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Originally posted by MystikMushroom
So who's all for buying a gas mask!

Seriously though...anyone done any research on what kind of gas masks/filters would protect one for up to 2 months against bio-weapons?

I hate the thought of having to wear a gas mask 24-7 for 8 weeks.

i found a website that said...you know how micheal jackson wears that mask? dont laugh cause he will probably live longer than all of us..heh

oh and you see lots of people wearing masks in japan(they even have designer ones)

i'm interestd in a good mask as well

oh man. would be great if this was swine related, and swept around the globe. then all of you ... pig eaters would have to give up the swine too! haha!

i have no worry.. i dont eat pig .. and i only eat chicken or cow once every couple days .. otherwise i am a grains, nuts, fruits, veggies, and milk products man.

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reply to post by kdial1


this was my thought. too much money wrapped up in the olympics to panic people away.

but you do have people from all over the world there, what a way to spread it.

anyone figure out how far this village is from the olympics yet?

why these things always seem to come from china?

its hot, its humid( a lot of it anyways) and heavily populated.

Just a big pitri dish.

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reply to post by kdial1


I'm already seeing some the Olympic medalist coming back home or being qurantined in China. They are gonna attempt to cause panic in the last weeks of this event. That is what they want people to do. They want them to watch and panic and just start feeling extremely scared again. So they can go on to their TV sets and get their eyes hooked on their for days, while they cover the disaster and then take advantage of your fears by adding in a bunch of other bull crap they wan't you to believe. They'll be promoting their anti-depressants.

............................................damn!

Originally posted by runetang
...if this was swine related...

i have no worry.. i dont eat pig .. and i only eat chicken or cow once every couple days .. otherwise i am a grains, nuts, fruits, veggies, and milk products man.

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No lamb? Ah, I only wish I could too. But the first thing I assumed was trichinosis from undercooked pork which does cause bleeding of the eyes. They all may have eaten some undercooked game or something to that effect. At least I certainly hope it's only a food borne illness.


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Funny you should mention the olympics.

If there *is* something going around, I could totally see some people taking it back to multiple countries around the globe, spreading it! Think of all the spectators .. mixing groups of ethnic chinese from around the country with people from all around the globe. And then there's all of the athletes.. tons of air travel all around, and local sea travel from Japan/Korea and SE Asia too I bet. But .. so far, nothing big popping up in Hong Kong, which is a big mixing center. Expect any major pandemic to hit Hong Kong somewhere in its initial stage if it comes from Asia.

"However, the time and location of the earlier outbreak raised concerns of linkage to H5N1, which can cause the same symptoms."




Nuff said...........

It's either an infection (one that causes hemorrhaging) or
Its WARFARIN / Heparin (RAT POISON / BLOOD THINNERs) which all cause hemorrhaging. Ever see a family member get a little too much heparin?

When a family member had just two injections of heparin she started to bruise badly at the slightest touch. Now take that dose or more and give it to someone who is more than likely a heck of a lot more active than my elderly relative and this could happen.



reply to post by kdial1

Originally posted by Question Fate
reminds me of the beginning of world war z
if you havent read it or listened to the audio book, do so now!

its about zombies btw

My thoughts exactly. While this probably (hopefully) isn't a zombie virus it is interesting how its playing out in a very similar fashion. This could end badly if this makes its way to the Olympics. An infection could cause a huge panic thanks to how televised the Olympics are, not even the government of China could blackout the media on that sort of scale. This coupled with a world wide spread could potentially lead to an extremely lethal pandemic.

This isn't no bird flu, this is actively infecting people at a very rapid rate. This is one to keep an eye out for.

well, lol.

Currently I am staying near Yantai, China, and well, that is not to far from where this out break is.

For those of you asking, how far is this place from Beijing, I would estimate that it is around a 1.5 hour plane journey away.

Not so far.

just type

Wanjiakou Village, Xiaoguan Town, Wendeng City, Shandong Province

in google earth and you can see where it is.

Damn, I am here for another 6 weeks. Well, Il keep you guys posted if anyone drops dead.

And to the poster who mentioned that Dr Deagle knows whats going on. Well he sure as hell does. The symptoms listed for this outbreak describe almost exactly what he said in his talks at the ned of last year.
He describes what would happen to a person when H5N1 mutates, ie, they drop dead bleeding from every orifice, without even showing perhaps the hint of a cough before hand.

Hmm. wish me luck atsers!

reply to post by cyberdude78


Uh, as much as it pains me to say this (because damn the idea of surviving such a thing really sounds freaking cool to me for some reason) zombie viruses and the like are absolutely science fiction and are a physical impossibillity. A better comparison of this to a fictictious virus which could very well happen would probably be Captain Trips. In fact, the symptoms in the OP sound quite a bit like Captain Trips. I guess just be ready to choose between Vegas and Colorado if the SHTF and you find yourself a survivor.

This disease is sinister! Instant death, no symptoms, just bleed and drop dead. Wow. How long will it take for the news of this to begin to panic the world, or will they keep it under wraps until the Olympics spead it around the world tactfully?