The Vril Disks 1941-1945

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Some interesting Clips there spy66! would love to get hold of those photos to scan it in and view it!

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You bet The album would be nice to "D"bunk. If the photos are from the 70s it would be a one of a kinde. And the space station around Mars would be nice to take a closer look at. Its from earth! And he told it was BIG.

Here is a UFO toy . prity cool and might prove that we can make a flying disk at a larger scale maybe?

www.youtube.com...



[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

Originally posted by merka

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
ok , the obvious question - why were they never used ?

More than likely because they never worked aside from weak test flights using conventional engines not nearly good enough to substitute the fantastical (and impossible) idea of levitation propulsion.

We should be very careful with the word "impossible" - it's been used too many times (by grumpy old men with impeccable credentials, like Vannevar Bush and other "insiders") to describe things we take for granted now - spaceflight, ICBMs, nuclear weapons, laptop computers (gee, remember all the scholarly articles stating flatly that megabyte RAM chips would be physically impossible for the foreseeable future, much less processors that clocked faster than (pick your favorite clock speed)? The Dell Inspiron E1705 laptop I'm using right now was declared physically "impossible" repeatedly up until, oh, about 1994 on several very sound theoretical grounds.)

As far as levitation, maglev trains are a fact. We're still working out the logistics, but the Japanese seem to have a good handle on the technical problem.

The Meissner Effect is a fact. The experimental evidence for the validity of the Bose-Einstein Conjecture is building steadily, everything from Podkletnov and Li's experiments to NASA Gravity Probe data.

The pieces are beginning to fall into place for modulation of inertia as well as (possibly) faster-than-light space travel using the Alcubierre Warp Drive and superconducting technology to change the shape of space local to the theoretical "starship" so that relativistic mass-energy linkage at high fractions of the speed of light becomes less of a barrier to such high speed travel.

One of the early milestones on that road would be inertia modulation - which has been mis-labeled "anti-gravity" but is really changing the space local to a mass so that the pull of gravity from external objects is changed.

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Well, if I see the 'specs' on those 'Vril' and 'Haunebu' craft I would assume Hitler and the higher echelon would be very interested since it would outperform anything the Allies had in their aircraft inventory.

Only if they could be shown that not only it was a viable and successful weapons platform, but also that it could be effectively fielded in time with the re-direction of critical war materials. Keep in mind that there were probably hundred of ongoing research projects meant to "win the war" for them. Why would this one have taken precedence?

Don't you think the project leaders would have mentioned it to the Luftwaffe leadership?

No. Not once it became evident that Germany was going to lose the war. In truth, a few hyper-aircraft would not have won the war for them in the end, any more than jets did. Better to keep the tech under wraps, tell High Command that they still hadn't worked out all the bugs so to speak, and that fielding the system would require an inordinate amount of the critical war materials. Then, once the war was over, use the tech for "your own purposes" or sell them to the highest bidder.

If you think about it, this technology may have made an exclusive group of people, not any country, the most powerful people on the planet. Especially if it has been used for things like interplanetary travel and such. Maybe this is why Area 51 wasn't actually a US military base, for example?

No it's not feasable. If you have superior weaponry in times of war while you're on the defensive (and losing) you would simply rush them into service and use them.

Nothing simple about it. R&D during time of war is a "rob Peter to pay Paul" proposition. You have decide what basket to put your eggs in. Here in the States, the Army-Airforce and their atomic bomb won out over the Navy's "Philadelphia Experiment." It's not enough to have technology, you have to be able to deploy it effectively as well. Like the Allies having jet engine tech. No key advantage for us, that's why the Germans were able to field it first.

It's on record that a German jet engine lasted for about 10 hours before it needed to be completely overhauled again. So their jet engines were far from perfect and that doesn't help the Nazi UFO myth either.

I fail to see how you draw a valid comparison there. Just because the jet engines burned up quickly doesn't mean that the UFO propulsion system would do the same. Though again, the developers may have given the appearance of somesuch as being the case, even if it was not.

I was under the impression that the Nazi's stayed in charge right up to the end. Now you are suggesting that those craft didn't belong to them? From my perspective you're filling in holes within the theory in order to make it work.

Doesn't matter one bit if they paid for it or that it "belonged" to them. All that matter is if the Nazi were in a position to prevent the tech from being looted as a war prize. Think of it as a souveneir pulled from the flames of the collapse. Sure it may have "belonged" to them right up until the end, but it all comes down to who exactly had actual physical control over the tech.

If a B-52 pilot goes rogue with nuclear bombs, doesn't matter a hill of beans that the equipment belongs to the US Airforce.

However, once Hitler was firmly in control, do you think those same CEO's would be unaware of the consequences of going against Hitler?

First off, it was not so much about going against Hitler as it was about manipulating his perceptions. You also have to understand the "bigger fish" concept. There were always people that Hitler could not push around, despite what he did to so many other people. The enigmatic relationship between Speer and Hitler is a clue, but there is better information even than that out there.

Oops

[edit on 28-7-2008 by zorgon]

Originally posted by bloodcircle
Zoinks !
For a moment there, I saw Johns face !!

Originally posted by vfrickey
We should be very careful with the word "impossible" -

Its IMPOSSIBLE to fly... Quoth the Scientists
Bicycle mechanics did not know this so they flew...

As far as levitation, maglev trains are a fact. We're still working out the logistics, but the Japanese seem to have a good handle on the technical problem.

America the Stupid...

While we argue in forums about the feasibility, the rest of the world is getting Hydrogen fuel stations, buses and cars... I have a list... there is a thread..

While we argue existence of new tech the Japanese are taking them to work..

at 500 km/hr

Japanese Maglev Train



And China seems to be jumping ahead of us How can this be?
America the Once Great is SLEEPING
Maglev train Shanghai complete video presentation



EDIT TO ADD

Seems GERMANY has one too..

German Transrapid Maglev in Munich 500 km/h



And one in test facility running passengers since 1984 !!!

www.youtube.com...

The Meissner Effect is a fact. The experimental evidence for the validity of the Bose-Einstein Conjecture is building steadily, everything from Podkletnov and Li's experiments to NASA Gravity Probe data.

One of the Pegasus Team BigFatFurryTexan has been searching for Dr Ning Li... traced her to Kirtland AFB then vanished... rumor is that she is back in China...

Since 2006, Dr. Baker's worked has pushed forward with all impetus. His research (as part of Gravwave, LLC) is closely tied to the current Chinese efforts. Keep in mind, he is associated with Lockheed Martin (listing Buzz Aldrin as a business partner on his website, www.gravwave.com) as well as a professor, running the preeminent HGFW research department in American (and possibly world) academia at UCal - Berkely.

Anti-gravity and the search for Dr. Ning-Li
www.abovetopsecret.com...

So Buzz Aldrin who owns Starcraft Boosters is also partners with an Anti Gravity Research company in CHINA and most likely Dr Ning Li is there


Welcome to the thread vfrickey...

You seem to know a thing or two

using the Alcubierre Warp Drive and superconducting technology to change the shape of space local to the theoretical "starship" so that relativistic mass-energy linkage at high fractions of the speed of light becomes less of a barrier to such high speed travel.

Just a small tidbit... a mere morsel to toss to the animals... This is just one of my files but considering the source



Army Logistics paper...

Antimatter
In the Star Trek television series and movies, antimatter
was the energy source the Starship Enterprise
used to power its warp drive. While Star Trek was science
fiction, antimatter is science fact. [Antimatter is
matter with its electrical charge reversed. Instead of
protons, it has antiprotons; instead of electrons, it has
positrons.] For many years, leading university
research centers at Harvard, Penn State, and other colleges
and universities have produced and experimented
with antimatter. Antimatter, as an energy source,
has such great energy density that one button-sized
portion has 123 times more energy than the space shuttle
has at liftoff.
Such extreme energy density has far-reaching
implications for logisticians and for energy resupply
on the battlefield of the future. For example, a combat
vehicle commander could be issued a cigar box-sized
container filled with buttons of antimatter that would
provide 30 to 40 years of energy to move, shoot (with
high-energy weapons), and communicate. This capability
would virtually eliminate the requirement for
energy resupply of combat vehicles in the future.
Scientists have discovered how to levitate antimatter
in an electromagnetic field. The practical capture of
the energy released from antimatter, in such a way that
the energy could be metered out in usable increments,
requires further exploration in the laboratory. One day,
this dense energy source will make its debut on the
battlefield. The tremendous benefits to resupply of
energy will be well worth the time and investment.

One of the early milestones on that road would be inertia modulation - which has been mis-labeled "anti-gravity" but is really changing the space local to a mass so that the pull of gravity from external objects is changed.

Warning to the timid... this links to a secure military site and may not work outside the USA but the doc is in public domain

Army Logistician July Aug 2005

As to that Magnetic levitating "TOY:

I find it laughable how people look at it and say "Its just a toy" when they are looking at the secret to space drives...

Sure that is a toy but the concept is real.. spinning magnetic fields within other spinning magnetic fields AMAZING things happen

Levitation IS denying gravity Anti Gravity is a miss understood term and often abused by lay people. We do not need anti gravity (a force equal and opposite to gravity) in order to defeat gravity..

That is why LANL is working on Gravity Shielding IE BLOCKING gravity.. Same thing you get lift..

The Army paper talks about success in anti matter research..

Well so is there in the other field

The Levitated Dipole eXperiment MIT

a levitated dipole would be favorable for a D-He3 fuel cycle based power source. The D-D cycle is the most promising because of the availability of deuterium. Recently we have considered utilizing a levitated dipole for the D-D cycle based power source. Fusion reactors based on the deuterium-deuterium (D-D) reaction would be superior to D-T based reactors in so far as they can greatly reduce the power produced in neutrons and do not requires the breeding of tritium. In a recent article titled "Helium Catalyzed D-D Fusion in a Levitated Dipole" we have proposed a fusion power source, based on an alternative fuel cycle which we call ``helium catalyzed D-D". We have explored the application of a levitated dipole as a D-D power source and found that a dipole may have the unique capability of producing excellent energy confinement accompanied by low particle confinement. Additionally a levitated dipole device would be intrinsically steady state and extract power as surface heating, permitting a thin walled vacuum vessel and eliminating the need for a massive neutron shield. We find that a dipole based D-D power source can potentially provide a substantially better utilization of magnetic field energy with a comparable mass power density as compared to a D-T based tokamak power source.

www.thelivingmoon.com...



Go to MIT plasma studies and see the progress... and remember that the EARTH is a dipole spinning magnet...

And since this thing needs HE3 to be efficient... and the only known abundant supply of that is on the Moon...


Ask yourself WHY does NASA have a patent on an Aquila style cargo transport to transport Liquid Helium 3 from the moon issued in 1996

Lunar Generated Liquids Cargo Transport and Shuttle
www.thelivingmoon.com...

Ask yourself WHY is the Aquila Cargo Transport made by Starcraft Boosters a company owned by Buzz Aldrin

As yourself WHY does HH Schmitt is Chairman Of Interlune-Intermars Initiative, Inc. a company that... well no look it up

As yourself WHY does HH Schmitt is working with the University of Wisconsin and his name 'pops' up along with Fusion rockets already tested like SOAR

Why does HH Schmitt's name appear on a 1967 USGS high detail topographical mining map of Copernicus Crater 2 years before we went there?

Who is HH Schmitt? Apollo Astronaut and Geologist

THINK ABOUT IT

Then come help us at Pegasus and sort through thousands of documents




[edit on 28-7-2008 by zorgon]

Current VRIL Society

www.mental-ray.de...

VRIL PSI-Korps

www.psi-korps.de...

I wonder if visiting there triggers the spook monitoring devices?

Psi-Tech founded by Ron Blackburn is the American private company that took over from Project Stargate (1968-1995) the CIA remote viewing operation. When Congress forced them to go 'public' and reveal they had been using psychic spies they went the private contractor route..

Ron is retired and stops by John's house frequently since he moved to Las Vegas

www.psitech.net...

The PSI-Korps page bears this logo the VRIL lighting bolt

Wow guys, I have been reading all posts in one go!
How comes I never heard of this?
Thanks so much for all this information, it will take me hours to read and watch.

Originally posted by spy66

And this is the same guy on time travel and Mars and so on. I have seen this before.

The second video is the Billy Meier photo album... at the end of it you will see the first image of the second video so I would say the Brazil one is part two...

Unfortunately this tends to make it a little less credible

It is interesting though that he claims Adamski met a German blonde pretending to be an Alien in a Brazilian made German ship..

This might actually make sense

[edit on 28-7-2008 by zorgon]

holy crap guys!

i know im not particularly active in the UFO community on here, but some of you see me around, and anyways i do post sometimes on UFO / alien topics because they do interest me greatly.

i must say .. of all things i have considered, all possibilities of the answer to the UFO "question", this must be the most plausible and most likely, and its hit me like a ton of bricks in the face, im wowed by it. allow me to explain..

take the V2 rocket the nazi's had at the end of WWII, in its' full abilities, made out of the best materials and technologies of the day. now, it is no big surprise that the nazi missile scientists came to the USA and worked for the USA directly after the war, along with much of their technology and the knowledge to replicate any they did not bring along.

then think of today's U.S. ICBM NUCLEAR PROGRAM (did that even exist back then at the time of the V2? lol..) in all of its' grandeur.

imagine all of the capabilities that today's missiles have. they can shoot out of the atmosphere, land on a pinpoint coordinate anywhere in the globe. they can break into many smaller warheads hitting a number of pinpoint coordinates, anywhere around the globe. they can shoot into outerspace and knock out our dead satellites, and theoretically enemy satellites.

pretty impressive compared to the old V2 that could only hit the U.K. from mainland Western Europe huh? the capabilities have been increased all around exponentially almost haven't they?

alright then, now look at the actual flying-disc, "hover" technology that the nazi scientists also had, functioning as we see in these pics of projects, although not to the greatest possibility by any stretch. these discs were designed by these same nazi scientists that went to the U.S.!!

now, all you have to do is apply the SAME amount of "increase of ablities", for lack of a better term, that modern disc shaped UFO sightings have compared to the known abilities of the old WW2 nazi stuff, as the modern ICBM programs have compared to the old V2 rockets. If you apply the same degree of increase of abilities, and the increase was VAST from the beginning of the rocket to today's rockets, extremely vast, then suddenly, at least for me, the true nature of TODAY'S sightings become largely evident. there should be no doubt in your mind after considering this that today's sightings are actually secret craft our rulers have made, humans have made this!

if any of the "UFO crash" technology grabs happened that people claim happened, we should have even better stuff than that!! I mean come on, this idea has literally shattered my concept of UFO's, until I see little greys or tall reptilians, or bug-eyed nordics come out of a landed craft or otherwise appear for me, any craft I do see I will consider to be of our own technology.

[edit on 7/28/2008 by runetang]

Originally posted by zorgon
It is interesting though that he claims Adamski met a German blonde pretending to be an Alien in a Brazilian made German ship..
This might actually make sense

I don't know where you got your information, probably from the same sources that make up the Nazi UFO myth, but Meier said nothing of the sort. Meier takes the debunking approach when it comes to Adamski and claims that he fabricated his pictures and influenced eyewitnesses using 'suggestive powers' into 'seeing things that weren't there'.

On another note. Why didn't you German Saucer Boys try to make links to the Meier case? Meier's alien friends speak German, claimed to have had a base in Switzerland, claimed to have influenced (telepathicly) German scientists in the 1920s and 30s, said that Hitler was meant for great things but fell under the influence of another alien group. There's plenty more where that came from. Meier and his alien friends are not exactly pro-American and pro-semetic either, rather the oppesite. It oozes out of the case. Where have you Saucer Boys been?

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Do you really expect me to debate even more theory from your position? I make references/put up links showing historical facts and expand my position from there on. If you want a normal debate you're going to have to do better.

Originally posted by TerraX
I don't know where you got your information, probably from the same sources that make up the Nazi UFO myth, but Meier said nothing of the sort. Meier takes the debunking approach when it comes to Adamski and claims that he fabricated his pictures and influenced eyewitnesses using 'suggestive powers' into 'seeing things that weren't there'.

It is kinda funny when Meier was debunked a couple few times to speak for himself about some one else!

Originally posted by TerraXOn another note. Why didn't you German Saucer Boys

Sorry my friend I am not from Germany, if you want to say German boy then you addres this person!

You say you have alot of info about this! So let us see..I am really interested to what you have..really!

Originally posted by TerraX
Why didn't you German Saucer Boys try to make links to the Meier case?

Because there is enough on this site about the Meier case that it doesn't need mixing up with this... and battles over the Meier case got so heated it resulted in John's ban... So if you want to push Herr Meier... there are many threads available on that..

I am not interested in debate.. I have no time for that... I research, present my evidence for those who are interested and look for other material in return...

If you have anything to add or share... link away

Und ich bin ein deutscher Junge

Though "boy" doesn't quite cut it anymore

Bubye now...

[edit on 29-7-2008 by zorgon]

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I like those kinda reactions...

Have you ever heard of Sea Launch? The Boeing/Russian mobile floating launch platform?

Well there was a forerunner proof of concept...

Operation Sandy... A V2 Launched from the Midway

V2 Rocket Lauched From Carrier
USS Midway Fired Captured Nazi V-2 in Operation Sandy in 1947.

Jan 27, 2008
V2 launched from Midway , public domain

In 1947 the largest warship afloat, the USS Midway launched the most formidable weapon of the twentieth century, a ballistic missile, in its first naval test.

naval-history.suite101.com...

Unfortunately US MIDWAY is revamping their website and the video link is down... If its not up again sound drop me a note and I can send you a copy
Just save the link

Sandy Newsreel at CV41.org

Here is a still of the launch

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I have a design to make special mag-lev trains/pods go 500mph+. It would replace coast to coast air travel. It is intended for long distance travel. Where do you think I could get a legitimate discussion going on production?

My design uses water as a propellant, not as a fuel. That's all the more I really want to go into it here.

Originally posted by TerraX
Meier takes the debunking approach when it comes to Adamski

Meier DEBUNKING Adamski????



Now THAT made me spew my coffee

Originally posted by Spoodily
I have a design to make special mag-lev trains/pods go 500mph+.

I am not so sure here would be a good idea... Not unless you have secured your design...

I would contact that German company that makes those trains for Munich and Shanghai... but get at least some lawyer backed copy rights on the concept before you say anything

Originally posted by zorgon
Meier DEBUNKING Adamski????

Now THAT made me spew my coffee

Ah, it's nothing special really. Meier and his alien friends debunk/distort anyone with contactee stories.