The Vril Disks 1941-1945

Originally posted by Evisscerator
I don't see what the problem here is. It's AUTHENTIC information.
What's to say we don't have it as well and haven't had it for decades?

One thing people forget... is the 50 time limit on release of secret documents...

More and more is coming out now as old files are being dug up by FOIA searches... they don't just say "here they are.." you have to find them and the trick is KNOWING what to ask for because the feds are very nit picky about that...

Makes it hard to get files too

Also remember Hitler went crazy near the end and even ordered his SS to kill the scientists... that's why von Braun surrendered. Our guys got there just days before the SS and got them out with the parts and documents...

There is even a V2 launch from the deck of the Midway really cool

We got over 500 scientists...

Also John Lear's father, William Lear worked with TT Brown for the DoD on anti gravity devices 1954...

Project Winterhaven

I bet there will be more stuff coming out in the next few years as researches find 'the right words'

One thing that the NAZI's did... they kept meticulous records

Also compare the VRIL medium Maria Orsic...



with Goerge Adamski's visitor




and

Jill Thor from Venus... 1952



and Howard Menger's visitor from Venus





Gotta love them NORDIC type Blondes of the Aryan Race

It is also interesting to note that Carl Sagan chose this same type as a representation of the human species...



On a final note Ron Blackburn mentioned at a dinner at John's house that the NAZI's just transfered power to the US and are in reality the PTB

Perhaps THIS is the reason we got kicked off the Moon...

Following the belief that the Germans had gained advanced technologies in the early 1940's (possibly from recovered crashed UFOs or through contact with an alien culture), this article by Vladimir Terziski, President of the American Academy of Dissident Sciences, is a study of the Germans involvement in the exploration of the Moon and Mars.

GERMAN MOON BASE

Alderbarranian Bratwurst Anyone? Got some nice sauerkraut from the Moon
And that Farside beer....



AHHA!!! The trigger for Cliffy's banner is simply FOIA Cute!!

[edit on 27-7-2008 by zorgon]

Originally posted by EnlightenUp

Originally posted by SuperSlovak
The name Vril is the shortening of “VRI-IL” which means “Like God”.

Last I check "vril" comes from the Atlantean root "vri-" and refers to the universal life force. I guess the English word "virile" would come from this. Calling it "Like God" is either redundant or stretching the meaning a bit.

The English word "virile" comes from Old French "viril", which comes from Latin "virilis", which meant "manly or of a man". There is no direct relationship between English and "Atlantean", which may or may not have ever actually been a language.

Not the first time I've heard of Germany researching such technology. From what I gather, their main issue was the craft were -too- maneuverable in test flights, with the G-forces applied to pilots being too much. Possibly also related to not having adequate flight control / computers to manage it all and keep things safe, at the time.

Originally posted by SuperSlovak
I don't know if its BS...
those blueprints look pretty authentic

Really! Check out or translate the text that comes with it. Speed, armament, action radius, dates of construction and so on are included. Which brings up the question again, why weren't they used?
Most probable answer; those 'blueprints' are fake. Just as the brownish picture on page 1 of a giant 'Haunebu' disk which sadly some people don't seem to notice.

I have to agree with you 100% zorgon.
Unlike some people... ex. ignorant_ape
I like to think outside the box.

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
How many times does this have to be debunked?

Until you 'debunkers' realize how wrong you are

Zoinks !

For a moment there, I saw Johns face !!

Originally posted by jackinthebox
Not necessarily, for a few different reasons. First and foremost, they did have jet technology, and that wasn't able to win the war for them either. It takes more than technology development to win a war. You have to field the new system effectively as well.

Correct, no argument there. However, I do must point out that both the U.S. and Britain had jetfighter(engine) projects even before the war. The Germans were certainly more experimental with their designs but the Allies weren't far behind in development and technology.
en.wikipedia.org...
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Now point two is a bit deeper. Perhaps the technology was not actually under the complete control of the Nazi after all. There were powers at work behind the scenes, even in Nazi Germany, that may have played a greater role here. Especially if the technology only proved to be tenable later in the war. The scientists may have turned out to be more loyal to the industrialists, to the companies themselves that could produce such devices, that even Hitler himself had to answer to. Perhaps even today the technology is not so much in the hands of any particular country, as it is in the hands of some company and/or faction perhaps.

Well, lots of speculation in the first part. I've read theories that the Nazi's received help from the Grays or another alien group favouring Germany's policies at the time. It's still in the realm of pure speculation.
As for your other argument that a group in the chain of command went their own way and decided for themselves is also not very likely considering what kind of people were in charge at the time. I think everyone knows what happend to the "unwanted" in Nazi Germany, concentration/death camps... Hitler even had some of his generals shot when they disobeyed orders. When you view that particular aspect, the ruthless leadership of Nazi Germany, to a secret group (project) working on saucer technology and basicly making their own decisions, somehow that doesn't add up.
It raises even more questions. If Germany had working saucer crafts at the time, why didn't the Nazi leadership flee with those craft at the end of the war when all was lost?

I heard the disc were very capable of flight and would have been used in the war if they had more time to find a way to mount a weapon to the thing, that was a big problem, supposedly they ran off two roll royce engines, with a low backpressure h-pipe borla exhaust, vrroom vrrooom

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I've read theories that the Nazi's received help from the Grays or another alien group favouring Germany's policies at the time. It's still in the realm of pure speculation.

While I wouldn't entirley rule out the possibility, that's not really the direction I was pointing in.

As for your other argument that a group in the chain of command went their own way and decided for themselves is also not very likely considering what kind of people were in charge at the time.

Well that really depends on how interested Hitler was in R&D really, and how much the higher-ups actually wanted to know. It's feaseable that such fantastic programs might have gone on with little oversight. Especially if they weren't a signifiganct drain on war materials.

It raises even more questions. If Germany had working saucer crafts at the time, why didn't the Nazi leadership flee with those craft at the end of the war when all was lost?

Because it wasn't theirs to flee with perhaps. You have to understand that Hitler and the Nazis were not as "all powerful" as history books like to lead us to believe. One book I do recommend though, is "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." From it one can divine that even Hitler had to make certain concessions to certain people and groups. There were people that even he dare not "piss off" so to speak. Particulary the same industrialists that have been operating for a very long time.

People always like to point out the Bush-Nazi connection, but that's really small beans. IBM, IG Farben, Krupp, etc. Our governments and politics are merely chess pieces. An illusion really. The world is but a stage indeed.

i]reply to post by SuperSlovak

This has always been one of my favourite subjects....Here is a load of Info for you!


as you can see even before Hilter it already started he just continued with it!

The first saucer-shaped craft was built in the summer of 1922, its drive based on implosion technology (the machine for flight to the beyond). It consisted of a disc of 8m diameter, surmounted by a parallel disc of 6.5m diameter, with another disc of 6m diameter underneath. These three discs had a hole of 1.80m through their centers, where the 2.40m high propulsion unit was mounted. At the base, the central body terminated in the form of a cone.

In this cone was a kind of pendulum for stabilization of the device. The lower and upper discs turned in opposite directions to create a rotating electromagnetic field.

- The Haunebu I, 25m in diameter, in two examples, tested 50 times (flight speed about 4800 km/h).

- The Haunebu II, 32m in diameter, in seven examples, tested 100 times (flight speed about 6000 km/h). The Haunebu II was in fact intended for series production. A tender was let to the aircraft companies Dornier and Junkers. At the end of March 1945, Dornier landed the contract. The official designation of these heavy flying spinning-tops should be DOSTRA (Dornier Stratospheric Aircraft).

- The Haunebu III, 71m in diameter, in only one example, flew at least 19 times (flight speed about 7000 km/h).

In August 1939 the first RFZ 5 took off. It was a fairly heavily armed flying spinning-top with the strange name Haunebu 1. It had a crew of eight men, measured 25m in diameter, at first reaching a speed of 4800 km/h, and later, up to 17,000 km/h. It was equipped with two long range 60mm cannons (KSK) mounted in rotating turrets, and four MK 106’s and had a moderate ability for spaceflight.

At the beginning of 1943, planning began for a spaceship in the shape of a cigar, the Andromeda craft, which was to be built at the Zeppelin works (139m long). It would transport several saucer shaped spacecraft for (interstellar) long duration flights.

On 2 January 1944, Hitler, Himmler, Künkel and Dr Schumann (both of the Vril Society) met to talk about this Vril project. They wished to travel by means of a large spacecraft, the Vril 7 , to Aldebaran, through a dimensional channel. According to Ratthofer, the first test flight in a dimensional channel took place in winter 1944. The craft must have avoided a disaster by a narrow margin, because from photos of the Vril 7 taken after its return, it looked as though it had been travelling for a century. The exterior surface of the cabins appeared very worn and there was damage in many places.

This is very real...already from 1922 they had this power!



www.freewebs.com...

Werner VonBraun was a well known bad boy when it came to doing what he wanted over what was asked of him. So the blind obedience theory can't seem to find it's way to daylight. Stereotypes oversimplify, it's part of their definition.


What do you think the saucer in that decent quality photo with all the people must have weighed? Consider how heavily they built aircraft and automobiles back then!

I really do not think they built to that scale without a smaller successful prototype having flown. The German engineers were not idiots. They were the best engineers of their time.

I wonder what kind of engine lifted that beast, even if it did crash. I cannot believe they built that flying pig to never see it move an inch under it's own power.

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Hi, I think you can find info on German disk's here!link

Greetings.

Gazbom.



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Just something I just thought of…..

The Arian race is what the Nazi’s accepted as the perfect race.
The Nordic pleiadians are also Arian…
Hence the aliens are the same Arian race the Nazis thought were perfect…
There is a simple link –

Either the pleiadians are real which means Hitler talked with them which gave him the impression that if aliens are Arians, then Arians must be the chosen race. This may account for why even though the Nazi’s were able to build the flying sources they couldn’t use them in the war. Because using such a new technology might reveal the existence of the pleiadians…..

Or the pleiadians are not real and are just a manifestation of what we deep down inside really believe are the perfect race and so put the Arian race on a pedestal as the aliens.

those are some sweet pics gunsinwar!!!!!
thanks for posting them!

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i love the headed stationary

" secret organsation "

Originally posted by jackinthebox
Well that really depends on how interested Hitler was in R&D really, and how much the higher-ups actually wanted to know.

Well, if I see the 'specs' on those 'Vril' and 'Haunebu' craft I would assume Hitler and the higher echelon would be very interested since it would outperform anything the Allies had in their aircraft inventory. It's also safe to assume those 'Vril' and 'Haunebu' would have been rushed to the frontlines when Germany was on the losing side. Don't you think the project leaders would have mentioned it to the Luftwaffe leadership?

It's feaseable that such fantastic programs might have gone on with little oversight. Especially if they weren't a signifiganct drain on war materials.

No it's not feasable. If you have superior weaponry in times of war while you're on the defensive (and losing) you would simply rush them into service and use them. On a sidenote, bringing up the issue of war materials is interesting indeed. While Germany did have jet engines and superior aircraft designs such as the Me262 they lacked precious metals for their engines. It's on record that a German jet engine lasted for about 10 hours before it needed to be completely overhauled again. So their jet engines were far from perfect and that doesn't help the Nazi UFO myth either.

Because it wasn't theirs to flee with perhaps. You have to understand that Hitler and the Nazis were not as "all powerful" as history books like to lead us to believe.

Shoot. I was under the impression that the Nazi's stayed in charge right up to the end. Now you are suggesting that those craft didn't belong to them? From my perspective you're filling in holes within the theory in order to make it work.

One book I do recommend though, is "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." From it one can divine that even Hitler had to make certain concessions to certain people and groups.

Sure, Hitler had to work with the industrial establishment especially prior to the war and some of those 'captains of industry' were Nazi's themselves. However, once Hitler was firmly in control, do you think those same CEO's would be unaware of the consequences of going against Hitler?
What I recommend though is starting again with the Wikipedia article on Nazi Germany;
en.wikipedia.org...
Take note off what Hitler did to his own (bodyguard) group the SA;
en.wikipedia.org...




[edit on 28-7-2008 by TerraX]

Originally posted by andre18
Just something I just thought of…..

The Arian race is what the Nazi’s accepted as the perfect race.
The Nordic pleiadians are also Arian…
Hence the aliens are the same Arian race the Nazis thought were perfect…
There is a simple link –

You're not the first to make this link. In fact part of the Nazi UFO myth is based on it. Hitler's racial ideology is connected within the German flying saucer theory to blond haired aliens (by some). Those same blond haired aliens are mentioned in the accounts of 'contactees'. (Nevermind that contactees also reported brunette and dark haired aliens.) It's not hard to see how connections are made. If you have some knowledge of UFO history it's easier to see the connections and how (from my perspective) they were fabricated.

See this page about Vril and the mythology associated with it;
en.wikipedia.org...


[edit on 28-7-2008 by TerraX]

Originally posted by gazbom56
Hi, I think you can find info on German disk's here!link

This has a lot... I haven't even had time to go through all this

www.eyepod.org...

And I see he has added some new ones

Originally posted by andre18
The Arian race is what the Nazi’s accepted as the perfect race.

This was based on the fact that many of the Ancient Gods were Aryan...

I have more on that but not tonight...

Brotherthebig had many threads on this topic here at ATS and its all collected at Pegasus...

I haven't posted our collection of photos yet but the link to Eyepod is my main source they seem to update regularly...

I am always looking for anything new... already see a few in this thread. That's what I meant they are starting to come out of hiding...

Brotherthebig's Collection with Pegasus additions...

www.thelivingmoon.com...

Haven't heard from him much lately but I think he is still active here

Sorry i started a new topick on this story by my self. But ill poste the movie made about the Brasilian UFO base in here. Is based on the German UFOs from the 1920s.

www.youtube.com...




And this is the same guy on time travel and Mars and so on. I have seen this before.

www.youtube.com...







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