The Evil Perspectives On ATS

Originally posted by Gateway

You totally missed the underlying argument here justamomma,

Its fun to keep our head buried in the sand and not discuss issues which have just a tiny bit of relevance these days. And honey, I'm not talking about NWO, that's a little too simplistic...

Message Received.

Originally posted by Darkerside
I have noticed that 98% of all the threads i see are biased on the side of the do-gooders and revolutionaries of the world. So i have set up an official thread for the discussion of the views of the hiding few on ATS who are DARK minded and menacing, those in favor of NWO and and the coming enslavement of humanity. I think it is time we came out to get some of the light.

So lets have some opinions and start a discussion shall we.

Damn, I needed to be beat w/ a stick there for a few minutes.

I find you, OP, to be as retarded in your views as those who are waiting on some fairytale vanishing act by a renamed santa clause, aka jesus.

If you are relying on a government, satan, jesus, santa clause, the easter bunny, or whatever else kind of crap all the idiots are coming up with these days to hold your hand so your views of humanism, satansim, christianity, one world uniting hands singing kum ba ya crap can be realized, you are living in a fantasy world.

I want what I work for. I want to live my life and I want my kids to live their life. I am not ready to be hooked into some machine whether it is named social democracy, NWO, or all hail to the aliens.

I have taken responsibility for myself and for the lives of the ones I brought into this world. If you or anyone else need someone to hold your hand in order to make it through, you are no different than the brain dead of america being supported by the machines in the mental ward.

I am disgusted by this "let's erase the walls of division bc we are all one" crap in the name of security.

I don't want to be you. I don't want my children to be like you.

I am not german, I am not french, I am not christian, I am not muslim, arab, or ignorant; and I am not a slave.

For all those waiting for some fictitious character to save you whether it be good or evil in your opinion, I will when you fall bc you have caused your own demise through your ignorance.

I am tired of catering my speech to you; I am tired of you stealing my money in the name of humanism; I am tired of anyone who tells me that I can't take care of myself; I am tired of being told that I should be offended bc GW called them "towel heads;" I am tired of being told I should feel sorry for some dumbass who kills themself bc they don't want to pay back money they took from someone else.

I am tired of worrying about offending ppl, and I am tired of hearing ppl saying that they are willing to sell out MY individual rights to live our lives the way someone else sees fit in the name of so called "security."

Again, I spit on the wars being dressed in labels of "peace, drugs, religion, poverty, political correctness....."

I am tired of being told that I am socially retarded for not conforming to the ideas a society gone mad that would rather wallow in their ignorance and self pity than to take responsibility for the mud puddles they have created to wallow around in.

This is how I feel. Let the flames begin on either side. Call me what you will and use your choice of religion to spew your hatred against me. I am all for you selling your rights out if that is what you want to do. Just quit trying to sell out my rights and my children's rights in the name of your gods and the illusions you call security.


[edit on 27-7-2008 by justamomma]

Chaos is not in itself evil but it does tend to rend all the good works of mankind with the torch just the same or set their worlds adrift in the dark waters. An avalanche is no more an act of God than a tornado. They are acts of chance for the most part but it has long been the primitive reaction of man to attributed such things to the wrath of God or the works of the devil or more recently aliens. All of these, all to human reactions are utterly devoid of any logic.

I predict that just about the time mankind has erected his NWO world government super state and has one language, religion, and currency there will be some catastrophic event that will lay it all to waste. Christians will call it the wrath of God or the judgment. In truth it will be nature just thumbing its collective nose at the feeble works of man.

The best strategy for survival of the human race is a broad private and government assault on the sky. We need to ascend into the abyss of space and make it our home. Then a single calamity can not at once extinguish all of mankind and many of the works of nature in this fragile living world.

The more top heavy human organization becomes the more vulnerable it is to nature's untimely mass extinction events. I think that the NWO will fall ever so shortly after it arises. The lesson learned will be to make ourselves as wide spread in the universe as possible. No single government will rule us then. There is no future in which a single government rules all humankind. That will be but a very short epoch in human history.

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Okay, we are good again.

I wholeheartedly agree, if for example New York is attacked again by "towelheads" does that mean Martial law should be ushered-in on Americans? No, way!! Especially since we Americans for the sake of argument it is presumed are not the towelheads who'd of dropped a bomb in the first place. Sure go after the culprits, but don't go after my and your rights!!

And even if such scenario occurred, then the State needs to reassess its implicit role for encouraging such behavior. We need to change the foreign policy, not change our domestic policy. How will taking my rights away change them their "towelheads" views of Americans?

Towelhead #1: I'm gonna strap a bomb to myself and blow-up Denver!
Towelhead #2: Wait, re-think that, Americans no longer have any rights they can't do as they please anymore....why blow them up, we got what we wanted...we got them to give up their rights!!!

Towelhead #1: Crap..you're right!! Now that they have Martial Law and no Internet, no need for me to blow myself up. Boy it's still a good thing they haven't changed their foreign policy...I mean where would we towelheads be if our dictator was not subsidized by their taxdollars, or their uncompromising support for a "STATE" that continues to humiliate and expel our brothers while expanding their settlements.

--No amount of security is worth loosing my taxes, my nationality, my freedom of thought, and my constitution.



[edit on 27-7-2008 by Gateway]

I think everyone agrees at least the people who post here that a NWO/security type of government is probably not the best way to fix world problems. I think even the OP (Darkside?) I think has good intentions, although he may have for a second lost sight of the implication of further strengthening the power elite through an NWO at the cost of everyone else.

The problem is that everyone talks a good game about liberty, but when most people see some tragic event unfold, like 9/11 they forget or are willing to compromise their rights. So, again I must say that most people talk a good game, but when and if another 9/11 happens, this country will no longer be the same, expect the worst, from Martial Law, to conscription. The sad part is that people will trip over themselves to loose their rights as well as run to the nearest military recruitment camps to sign-up to get a gun and go kill other people.

So Darkside, like I said previously YOU and most people will usher-in the NWO as the savior of our perceived chaos, but we must never forget those of us here who know better...that these are not random chaotic event which have brought us these wars, terrorism, starvation, or murder...it is the apparatus known as the STATE, and those that seek to steer it in their favor. It is cause and effect, not chaos.

[edit on 27-7-2008 by Gateway]

reply to post by Darkerside


Didn't you read The Stand? That guy who went over to the bad guys, he had a sticky ending iirc.

Just rocking the devil horns and listening to emo music isn't enough to get you on Satan's starting lineup, imo.

Why choose dark or light power, when you can have both? The middle way harness' both.

reply to post by TheRepublic


I'm rather new here so I'm not sure how to narrow down searches, but I seem to remember (I'll have to search a bit more when I have more time) seeing on another post that this "dark one" is a 17 year old kid. Who claims not to be influenced by hollywood villainous glamor or video games...I have my doubts. When he gets out of High School and sees the real world for what it is his opinions will change.

reply to post by DreamerAU


If that's true, the only way he'lll see the light is if he is forced to go out and produce his own future/be responsible for himself like the rest of us. Did that sound bitter? I'm not. What I am is a very fortunate man who has carved his own way. I am sick to death of the sense of entitlement some folks seem to want to have.

I was once homeless. I could curse the heavens, blame someone else, wallow in crap and spit and derision and cheap booze or I could choose to take control of my own destiny. I chose to skip the spit and cheap booze. OP will have those choices as well, if, as you surmise, his needs are currently taken care of.

Edit to say: I wasn't trying to make a correlation between the unfortunate homeless and those with a mistaken sense of entitlement. There are many reasons for being homeless. Mine was of my own doing. Not everyone, especiallly those with children who are homeless, are completely responsible for their situation.

[edit on 27-7-2008 by argentus]

I'm still a bit confused as to what the op means, is this a discussion for the need of evil to balance with good, the need of an NWO to save the world? or an admittance of the OP's nefarious scheme? [strokes his white cat]

I will answer the best I can now, but without clarification, this may seem off topic. From my perspective, there isn't a 'need' for evil, its just a designation, the oppsing force to good, to measure either, you need the canon of the other, now that said, even 'evil' schemes could be done for good, the enslavement of a civilization to protect them from themselves is a bad deed, done for good reasons.

Now, the need for an NWO to save the world, I've argued this before and been told I'm ridiculous, but IMO, ideals like communism, fascism and socialism are all good ideas, in the hands of bad people. If a spiritually, mentally mature or benevolent species used these ideas, IMO anyone of them could be used for the benefit of the society as a whole, yet in our hands at our current 'maturity' we cannot handle these ideals and for me it's the same for the NWO, could be great with the right people in charge, but it ain't gonna happen here, not yet and as I see it, not for a while.

Now, as for this:

"Whats in it for me? - POWER, what else"

Why the hell will you get a piece of the pie? you do realise they're all fat kids?

"I find humans so pathetic in our current state, that i feel they deserve to be dominated."

lol, there's me thinking that the weak and [ahem] 'pathetic' should be protected and nourished, in the hope that one day they will be strong enough to do the same for others? must be my fairytale thinking again...

"I also find power extremely attractive.

I want humanity to lose because then they will not be able to stop me or get in my way when i force my master plan into effect.

hope that paints a picture of why i am thinking this way."

Power can be many things, a leader who rules through fear, lives in fear, a leader who rules through respect, lives in respect. The power you speak of is through fear and domination, this will only perpetuate a bad cycle and a cycle that is IMO, already here, IF the NWO is coming, then this is why, due to their fear, not ours, they are araid of us, at the moment, despite appearances, we have the power, which is why the NWO is being brought into play, they are using there weakness against us, fear. They will fear monger, bully and persuade you to see the bad and danger in the world, then cast there wing out and offer you sanctuary, for minimal complacency...at first.

I'm not welcoming any dark end, but if it happens, it happens and I only hold one idea as comfort, light shines brightest in the depths of darkness, if the worst happens, it may inspire the best.

EMM

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
I can't help but be disgusted at those of you who act like all humans are created equal.

Of course people are not "created equal" in terms of talents, skills, abilities, intelligence, beauty, rationality, sanity and so on. What they ARE created equal in is rights. And that was the point of the Founding Individuals. We are EQUAL in our right to free speech. We are EQUAL in our right to bear arms. We are EQUAL in our right to our property. And so on.

What you are describing are choices that people make. In choice, the issue is NEVER "equality" but morality.

It is immoral to take from the dole unless you have given your all and still cannot survive. It is irrelevant to equality.

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Oh, I am SOOOO with you!

One line post, sorry, but it just popped out.

Originally posted by Darkerside




I want humanity to lose because then they will not be able to stop me or get in my way when i force my master plan into effect.

Well i can tell you you will never be as powerful as me. Let me tell you why. First off your fault is that you are using evil alone as power.The fact is you would need to be able to be both good and evil.

And if you think that earthly evil is powerful then you better think again. And by the way, A collective force of good will always prevail. And personally i don't believe you know what your talking about. Sounds more like a big ego to me. Learn to rid yourself of the ego and then your brain will function correctly. When you have seen or felt the force that is everything all in one, then come talk to me.

We all have the potential to be good or evil. When you say that good or evil is perceived you are correct. Our society has always worked this way. The majority rules. What is bad today may be good in the future. And vice versa. But for the most part, most things that are morally bad will never be excepted. If our brains are not defective then we know for the most part what is bad and what is good. If your argument is that we are like animals and its survival of the fittest, Then you should look around and see where we are at in our evolution. Most educated people know the difference.

To me people that believe that world domination and the torture of people is a good idea, I say thats an excuse for lack of education and responsibility.My argument has nothing to do with god or the devil. It has to do with humans and our quest for peace and understanding. This is not a weakness, It is a fact that even people that strive for this will not be pushed to far before they push back.

Darkerside, You are intitled to your view, Thats what makes humans so great. We are all capable of free thought. So this is not a personal attack on you, Think of it as me trying to educate you a little while expressing my views. Sometimes you have to read between the lines to get the full meaning. Good luck in your quest of world domination Hope i Run into you during your quest

This post smacks of adolesant mentality and the big plan is probably another school masacure where
no one has means to fight back hense the power.

Originally posted by Gateway
The problem is that everyone talks a good game about liberty, but when most people see some tragic event unfold, like 9/11 they forget or are willing to compromise their rights.

And that was game goal, indeed. The towelhead scapegoats were useful in promoting war (which only benefits those who supply the war - and war-suppliers have been known to provoke wars (imagine that!)). But the hope was to see the sheeple hand their rights over.

I knew, when the "Patriot" Act came along - all 900+ pages that likely took 2-5 years to construct - that it was prepared in advance of the attack. And because I knew 9/11 was an inside job for just that purpose...I was not in the least surprised to see a 2-5 year project arrive for a rushed signature in less than 2 months.

And thus, as we were warned about, we gave up liberty for (perceived) safety, and we deserve neither.

So, again I must say that most people talk a good game, but when and if another 9/11 happens, this country will no longer be the same, expect the worst, from Martial Law, to conscription.

To being herded into concentration camps, to being used as slave labor, to being exterminated... You are only seeing the very short-term.

The sad part is that people will trip over themselves to loose their rights as well as run to the nearest military recruitment camps to sign-up to get a gun and go kill other people.

Maybe. But I think by the next manufactured event, none of this will matter.

So Darkside, like I said previously YOU and most people will usher-in the NWO as the savior of our perceived chaos, but we must never forget those of us here who know better...that these are not random chaotic event which have brought us these wars, terrorism, starvation, or murder...it is the apparatus known as the STATE, and those that seek to steer it in their favor. It is cause and effect, not chaos.

And not only is it the STATE, it is the individuals within the STATE that are aiming to become the leaders of the NWO.

[edit on 7/27/2008 by Amaterasu]

reply to post by ElectroMagnetic Multivers
"Now, the need for an NWO to save the world, I've argued this before and been told I'm ridiculous, but IMO, ideals like communism, fascism and socialism are all good ideas, in the hands of bad people. "

Great points, although I must philosophically disagree with your views about communism, and socialism ever being workable for the human race. Simply put, we all have different desire, wants, needs, some work harder, some not so, some are naturally gifted, some can't add, some are born blind, some are mute, the simple fact that each and every single human being on earth is different, no two are alike is why these different forms of central planning are doomed to fail. Egalitarianism cannot work.

So if I choose to work harder than my neighbor, or if Bill Gates develops the better operating system it is only human for me or Gates to be compensated justly, how justly? Well, that's up to Mr. Gates and I to decide not a central planner. And what does society get out of our hard work, well society is a little better off, you get your AC, new computers, new medicines, etc..and thus humanity progresses forward. And the only mechanism that can fairly compensate Mr. Gates and I for our hard work is the market.

I wish humans were satisfied with a simple, "thank you Bill for creating Windows Vista for the betterment of our comrades". But people being who they are...human that is...cannot escape our urge to be better off, you cannot cast out this instinct from the human spirit, it is neither good or bad selfishness is instinctual it is evolutionary it is found even among plants who fight among themselves to choke their competitors for land for water for attraction of bugs to facilitate pollination. Selfishness is part of the evolutionary spirit.


Maybe communism works well among beings that are telepathic and therefore know exactly what everyone else is thinking or their intent, hell communism maybe the only form of living in that type of society, but for humans it is incompatible with our nature.



[edit on 27-7-2008 by Gateway]

there is no glory or paradise in the NWO
if that were the case wouldn't there be free and open referendums
as was promised in the EU states
NO the disillusioned masses that think you can find paradise with in the NWO
are fools and /or despots.
The weak minded fools that think the world resides in their inflated bubble brains are exactly what the NWO is counting on.

as for the Dark side it is powerless and impotent with out light and the powers of good

"I can't help but be disgusted at those of you who act like all humans are created equal. I once thought like you do, but looking around at people, if you are willing to sacrifice political correctness for honesty and intelligence, you will see that humans are not created equal."

To me, we are all created with equal potential, even though some choose not to fulfill this potential, its a personal choice. I don't believe you should judge them for their choice, your focused on them 'draining' the economy, and it grounds your view, in comparison to the money spent on war, drug trafficking and arms dealing and your complaining about these? that is warped. Where would you consider yourself to be in this realm of in-eqality? toward the top or bottom?

IMO I have many lifetimes before I will fullfill my potential, but If I get the oppurtunity to do it earlier, then I will, may sound stupid to you, but I feel it makes me a better person and thats always good.

EMM

Everyone who is not brain dead is capable of taking responsibility for their own lives. We have and never will NEED to be controlled when it comes to our personal lives and what we choose to do with it in our own pursuits.

All those who are looking for handouts or looking for someone to "free" the way for them so they can "find" whatever it is they are looking should be shipped off to one of the many controlling governing systems around the world. This country in its original intent was not meant for your type.

WE, in American, were never meant to be taken care of as individuals. We were given the freedom to choose what we wanted in life. If you want to be lazy, fine, be lazy... but DON'T complain because you are living below your desired comfort level. If you want comforts, then get out there and work g.dammit.

OP, if you want power, then start a club/cult. There are plenty of ppl ripe for the picking who are willing to hand over their power to you so that you can make their choices for them, you just have to do the work in finding them. What is so damned hilarious to me is that you are waiting for someone else to give you the power, therefore defeating your own desire. You are not worthy of power, evil or good, if you need someone to hand it to you.

[edit on 27-7-2008 by justamomma]

Originally posted by Gateway
reply to post by ElectroMagnetic Multivers

 

"Now, the need for an NWO to save the world, I've argued this before and been told I'm ridiculous, but IMO, ideals like communism, fascism and socialism are all good ideas, in the hands of bad people. "

Great points, although I must philosophically disagree with your views about communism, and socialism ever being workable for the human race. Simply put, we all have different desire, wants, needs, some work harder, some not so, some are naturally gifted, some can't add, some are born blind, some are mute, the simple fact that each and every single human being on earth is different, no two are alike is why these different forms of central planning are doomed to fail. Egalitarianism cannot work.

Agreed, we are all different and this makes interactions with each other in large groups very difficult, but IMO we are still very immature in the grand scope if things and I believe we could grow to make these ideas work, but as I mentioned before, I doubt this will happen in this lifetime.

So if I choose to work harder than my neighbor, or if Bill Gates develops the better operating system it is only human for me or Gates to be compensated justly, how justly? Well, that's up to Mr. Gates and I to decide not a central planner. And what does society get out of our hard work, well society is a little better off, you get your AC, new computers, new medicines, etc..and thus humanity progresses forward. And the only mechanism that can fairly compensate Mr. Gates and I for our hard work is the market.

Possibly, at the moment this dynamic does encourage growth, but it also encourages greed, which as we have seen, can slow the progress of a species to a halt.(I'm not even gonna get started on suppressed technologies etc.) I've heard Bill Gates builds his OS with bugs, so later he can release patches to fix them and charge for them. What if pentium 4 was discovered after a breakthrough on pentium 1? You think they would have released it as pentium 2? or build the stages in between and sell them first? I'm going for the latter and that only hinders the growth.

I wish humans were satisfied with a simple, "thank you Bill for creating Windows Vista for the betterment of our comrades".

I would never thank that man for Vista, the stress I had with that OS, looks great, handles terribly. lol

But people being who they are...human that is...cannot escape our urge to be better off, you cannot cast out this instinct from the human spirit, it is neither good or bad selfishness is instinctual it is evolutionary it is found even among plants who fight among themselves to choke their competitors for land for water for attraction of bugs to facilitate pollination. Selfishness is part of the evolutionary spirit.

I think people are mixing up survival of the fittest, with greed and a hunger for power. Plants and animals may kill each other for land and food, but this is not for power, but for survival, they dont kill because they want more food, they kill because they need it, there is a huge difference. We kill for power, for money, or ideals and you cannot justify this with a simple "it's nature" because it really isn't, it's barbaric. It is not the direction we should be taking, but we will only know for sure, until it's taken.

Are we really discussing whether its good or bad to dominate the weak and elevate the bully's into power? I didn't see this coming...

EMM




[edit on 27-7-2008 by Gateway]

Originally posted by Darkerside
When i said light i meant some of the attention, i guess it was worded wrong.

Whats in it for me? - POWER, what else

power? how? by begging those who are enslaving us to give you some power? your gonna do whatever you can to avoid enslavement like everybody else.. instead of fighting along side youre fellow brothers... your going to be trying to join the darkside lol there going to laugh at you and throw you in shackles with the rest of us .. give me a break lol
well if those elitest that are planning this aren't bad enough we got ppl welcoming it? you're a sellout to the idea of freedom and peace.. and for what? power? wow that is sad.. that's all I have to say to that

but I must commend you on an interesting post that is going to spark alot of debate

[edit on 27-7-2008 by ToolFanMael]