The Evil Perspectives On ATS

reply to post by Darkerside


To me the NWO is not some cartoonish figure of the Devil at the top of the pyramid scheme, and the rest of us toiling in salt mines during the day and back to our internment camps at night. I don't think we will be slave if a NWO came to power.

Having said that, to me the NWO means the centralization of power and loosing nationalization not to mention what's left of a once great document the constitution being shredded to bits. This is the true evil; losing our rights. If you think this is the type of light that you would like to live in then you misunderstand what evil is, there is no light when the wants of the collective state trumps the rights of the individual. So if you think further growth of corporate-political power elite is a good thing then, my friend the NWO is for you.

Originally posted by Darkerside
Amaterasu - you are actually wrong, ive had a very normal childhood.

I will take you at your word. But I wonder what you consider "normal."

The decision ive made was intellectual and not brought on by hate of the world (although it does stand for some of it)

But surely not motivated by love, either. Mere selfishness, I would wager.

i am surprised to see that no others are willing to stand up for the belief in the darker side, too bad

Perhaps there is hope yet for the species. Wanting to elevate oneself on the piled bodies of fellow humans is an ignoble aspiration which reflects badly on any race that glorifies such choice of behavior. So I disagree. Not "too bad" at all. It may be what saves us.

i guess i can proclaim myself darkest member on ATS. Although i dont really care much for these titles.

Yes... I was going to say, what a tarnished trophy you reach to grasp. But I think you secretly do care that you feel justified in making this claim, else you would not have brought it up.

btw im human, unfortunately.

As I suspected. And you are a prime example of the sort I am convincing another would be easily used in an effort to bring about world domination.

Well, good day to you then. Thank you for responding.

Originally posted by Darkerside
When i said light i meant some of the attention, i guess it was worded wrong.

Whats in it for me? - POWER, what else

You'd only benefit from the NWO if you're presently part of the super elite, otherwise you'll be wearing your shackles just like the rest of us. You might want take that into consideration befor you willingly embrace your new masters..

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reply to post by Darkerside


i agree that evil has to exist just like death, we live in a universe based on duality.

i disagree about one world government being survival of the fittest. The NWO will be kept in power by non natural means. it will actually be the weakest and unfit survivng. a bunch of inbred brain damadged elite breeding with themselves, when they arnt killing themselves trying to get more power. new evolution will not be able to take place. and the common man will be bred down to be kept enslaved.

ultimately though i think the NWO will fail quite quickly, either because good conquores evil or because the whole world will be destroyed by evils shortsightedness. either way your time in the sun will be brief. dosnt seem like a good survival plan to me...

reply to post by Darkerside


Just one more thing to add:

Darkerside,

What makes you think that you are the minority and us not wanting an NWO is the majority? I personally think most Americans will welcome the NWO because of the fact that so-called stability will be ushered in. I'm afraid that you are like most Americans, you want stability and if that means your individual rights taken along with centralization of power, well then so be it. I think you share your position with the rest of John q-public.

Example: Just look at the bumper stickers on the road:

Vote for Obama
Vote for Mcain

American people want either Socialism or Fascism. In either case larger central government, and more corporatism.




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reply to post by Gateway


you obviously dont know whats going on with the thread

if you did you would have posted differently

reply to post by Darkerside


Well then, my best to you and your Illuminati friends. One more thing, to be a Freemason, you have to be sponsored by another Freemason otherwise no goodies for you.

You may have to join the rest of us in the salt mines.

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Originally posted by Darkerside
reply to post by Gateway

 

you obviously dont know whats going on with the thread

if you did you would have posted differently

Actually, the true intellectuals like GW and TheRepublic are keeping your thread going. If you are truly intelligent, you will listen to what they have to say, at the very least.

I kept cringing everytime I saw this thread bc I was sure it was some teenager who is preaching the ushering in of the NWO. Some wanna be evil punk who thinks that he is free bc "Satan" told him so, when in reality, he is no more free than the "christians." Two sides of the same lie, Satanism and Christianity. Kind of funny actually

But these two individuals (along w/ one or two more posters who I am sure are long since gone from this thread) have brought true intelligence into a thread that otherwise would have been dead from the first post.

Thank you both (not the OP) for the enlightening thoughts. Great perspectives on your parts!

[edit on 27-7-2008 by justamomma]

so you are stereotypical towards me because you fail to see the logic of my points, well thats too bad for you.

I can't help but be disgusted at those of you who act like all humans are created equal. I once thought like you do, but looking around at people, if you are willing to sacrifice political correctness for honesty and intelligence, you will see that humans are not created equal.

People are selfish and mooch off the rest of humanity. We like to give it politically correct titles like "disabilities" and tell ourselves they can't help it. Some people can't. Most can. They're too lazy, too weak and too dumb to better themselves, and instead, they use others to get what they want. That holds down humanity and is far worse than someone posting dark thoughts on a message board.

But do you question them? No. Of course not. It wouldn't be politically correct.

People like to remain ignorant. People cannot learn things on their own. People need the educational system, the health system, the government - anyone with more power than themselves - to take care of them. People do not realize that the system is stacked against them and is only intended to make them obedient workers to better the system and those who control it.

I don't respect people like that. I'm not going to call them equal to those who inform and educate themselves. I'm not going to treat them equal to those that are not weak and hopeless. I am going to treat them for who they are, and weak, ignorant, hopeless and uneducated is what they are.

Thinking like this does not signify a rough childhood. So those of you that like to squash opposing opinions not by debating them but by running smear attacks to make the other look unstable can just stop with that BS right now.

Thinking like this represents an opposing view of society and humans in general. And you know what? This "opposing view" is more accurate than your fairy tale view of what is going on.

Finally a more truthful look at the world

except in my opinion 96% of the population are weak because they trap themselves within the system.

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
Thinking like this represents an opposing view of society and humans in general. And you know what? This "opposing view" is more accurate than your fairy tale view of what is going on.

Very well said and you are right!!! This thread has much potential OP!! Cultivate it. Encourage this kind of talk.

I agree with NOM! Oppositions to my subjective views have been the greatest catalyst in understanding the world around me (although I still have a LONG way to go). Honestly, I would love to hear more conversing btw the OP and GW & TheRepublic.

In fact, the thread that brought me to ATS was one much like this and I loved that the OP of that thread was not screaming out "ALL HAIL SATAN" but rather bringing an interesting view point along w/ those who were opposing.

Some of the posters here weren't smearing you OP. They were hearing you out and giving their view on it and honestly, I was finding it to be very interesting to say the least and quite unexpected for what I had thought I would find in this thread. Discus dammit!!

This is an area that I would like to learn more about myself so long as the conversation can remain adult like.

My view on this topic, I will admit is still very much one sided and although I know that I am not for the One World Government, NWO, etc etc. I can obviously see this is where we are headed, even if for but a brief period. I want to understand how others are viewing this and what could be expected. Always have a back up plan to your back up plans, and how can I do this if I don't understand it?

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Originally posted by Darkerside
Finally a more truthful look at the world

except in my opinion 96% of the population are weak because they trap themselves within the system.

I am assuming that you don't feel you are part of this 96%.. Am I right? And if so, if you are giving way to complete selfishness (if I am understanding correctly), how is this not a form of entrapment?

reply to post by justamomma


Thats what I hope we can accomplish. I hope we can accomplish having an intelligent, mature discussion about these "dark thoughts" so that we can all learn something.

Not everyone who thinks like this is running around yelling "HAIL SATAN!". I certainly am not doing that, and would not be doing that even if I gave an ounce of credibility to religion and its figures of good and evil.

Not everyone who thinks like this is running around praising Hitler and shaving their heads, calling for the extinction of humans so long as it begins with the blacks and Jews.

Not everyone who thinks like this is bound to become the next serial killer.

Thats what everyone needs to understand. There are people who think this way that are intelligent and can discuss their thoughts in a mature way without resorting to praising evil. If you write them off and throw them in the same boat as those that do praise evil, you will learn nothing and will remain ignorant.

I am currently in the "opposing view" of society and humans. I once was in the "fairy tale" view of society and humans. It is not arrogance when I say that I am qualified to present my opinion on both sides, given that I have had thoughts on both sides. It is merely the truth.

Thinking people who are weak, ignorant, hopeless and uneducated are not worthy of living in a highly advanced society does not mean I bow down to a fictitious underworld overlord or hail praise to a corporate tool leader of Nazi Germany.

It means that I have perceived people differently than some of you.

It means I have come to realize how these people hold society and human advancement down.

It means that I have more respect and concern for human kind and the world we live in than some of you do because I am willing to stand up and speak out against those who are causing the degradation of human kind, no matter how politically incorrect it is.

It means that I would rather be an outcast than embrace the negative effects that these people cause in the lives of those around them who are capable and willing to accomplish something in their lives.

Some people in this line of thinking do hail Satan and praise Hitler. I'm not one of them, and I am quite sure I am not the only one. But if you dismiss it out of hand, how will you ever know?

reply to post by NovusOrdoMundi


I can respect this.

The way I view it (thus far) is that there are two extremes lying deep with in everyone. Basically it is the duality that someone on this thread had alluded to.

It is finding the right balance between these two opposing views that creates the right mix of energy for one to truly exist, is it not?

I mean, if someone just goes to the dark side (also, I believe this is referred as the female side... the cold, dark, passive power) then their is no balance for the soul to exist. On the contrary, but very much the same if someone goes to the white side (the male side which is light and warmth) the balance remains off centered.

I have been to the extreme of both sides. When I was a christian (I am now a born again non-christian ), I used to allow myself to fall for the socialistic view of humanity and in turn, ended up feeling incomplete and empty. Giving away of myself and never understanding how to give back to myself. I then would go to the dark side and shut everyone out, thus I never learned anything, but rather sat in my misery.

Both sides have been very beneficial to my growth, but I find I am more at peace with myself when I allow the "white side" (the male, the heart, the warmth, the selfless, the observor etc) to support my "dark side" (the female, the reactor, the judge, etc).

So, in essence, isn't this idea of giving into the selfishness just as dangerous to one's soul as giving into the "christian" (socialistic) view?

Do you strive for balance btw the two?

Also, I still want to know more about the OP's view for why he feels the ushering in of the NWO is a good thing, please. To me, it seems to represent the false balance (the ultimate deception) that erases the lines of individuality altogether.



[edit on 27-7-2008 by justamomma]

Since 'evil' is just another word for selfishness or self-centeredness ('good' being the opposite ie selflessness) why should i care what opinions you have on ANY subject?

You wish to show me a self-centered perspective? I can go anywhere outside my house at the moment and get that...

Call it what you want, but your opinions are invalid to everyone but yourself if evil is truelly at hand here. Why shoulld anyone besides yourself pay attention to anything you have to say if what you have to say is from an 'evil' perspective? How could your self-centered views have anything of substance to anyone else (unless they too are self-centered, in which case more power to you).

reply to post by justamomma


You totally missed the underlying argument here justamomma,

I can see how the underlying subject matter about liberty on one hand, as apposed to stability and peace of mind on the other can be a bit much of an intellectual exercise for some.

Perhaps we should leave this discussion "fer them their more smarter folk'l like Bush, Obama, and Mcain, they is finished high school after all, and they knows better how to protect us, from them their towelheads after all..."

Its fun to keep our head buried in the sand and not discuss issues which have just a tiny bit of relevance these days. And honey, I'm not talking about NWO, that's a little too simplistic...







[edit on 27-7-2008 by Gateway]

Disclaimer: Justamomma, I just read your comments more carefully, and I must say, that the above comment from me only applies if you were being sarcastic, if not then my sincerest apologies.



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reply to post by justamomma


Going to any one extreme is dangerous and causes you to lose who you are as an individual. "Individual" is the key word. If you do not form your own opinions, think for yourself and be you, you are not "individual" of others.

The key may be to create a balance, but I believe it is more about individuality. Believe what you believe is right. Others may lump it in to an extreme or attach a political ideology to it, but these are just meaningless titles and stereotypes.

The extremes and political ideologies do nothing but allow others to understand and explain an issue using one or a few words, rather than taking the time to explain or understand a thorough examination of the core ideals and ideas of the issue at hand.

This only leads to confusion, because as an individual, you are going to have opinions that differ from those of that extreme or that political ideology that others have claimed you are a part of. And if you agree 100% with the beliefs of those extremes and ideologies, you are not an individual, but instead, you are a mindless follower of another's (the creator of the extreme or ideology) ideas and individuality.

We all have beliefs, and we all believe our beliefs are right. That doesn't create two extremes. That creates 6.5 billion extremes. The trick to find a balance of those extremes is to discuss the beliefs in an intelligent manner to better understand the beliefs of others.

Misunderstandings and false assumptions of beliefs and opinions create conflict and only drive us further apart. If you want to be at peace, learn to accept others' views as their individuality. You accept them as a person, so you should accept what they, as an independent person, thinks and believes.

From afar, Darkerside and myself appear to have the same opinions and beliefs. But in reality, we don't. If people do not attempt to understand that and learn that, they will continue to stereotype for their own personal convenience, and as a result, only create more conflict between people with opposing views, something those who claim to be for peace are strongly against.

I've got a suggestion for the OP, who seems like a pretty smart guy. If you wanna talk about "dark thoughts" or the desire to subjugate the masses or to whip them raw and screaming into enlightenment like some kind of post-modern Bacchus, then I can get down with that. I can dig the Will to Power in its myriad manifestations. Thumbs up to discussions of horror and violence as the new aphrodisiacs. A discussion of Futurism and its dogma of worshipping the joy of mechanical force can be a pleasure.

Just take the NWO out of your equation or I'm gonna be stuck here laughin' at ya. Some people have this idea that the NWO is Santa Claus in a black helicopter come to punish all the bad girls and boys with slavery and reward the good with dominion over the earth.

Lemme just do a quick NWO spiel here: Suppose the oh-so-nebulous "NWO" is something real in the world that exists and that is waiting to swoop down and take over. Well, the NWO would be run by men and women versed in Plato, Weishaput and his Illuminati ideas, Machiavelli, Metternich, the history of the Holy Roman Empire, the history of the Dutch empire, the history of the British Empire, etc etc. Having learned from these thinkers and from past Empires, what do you think it is going to look like if these people suddenly come to power?

It will likely go like this: Gradual erosion of economic and social infrastructure. Some say this has been going on for a long time. This will be pushed until the US is on the brink of collapse.

Then the NWO appears with a sudden show of force and benevolence. White knights in black helicopters. They have the firepower AND they have salvation for everybody. Just follow their directives for restructuring the society, the government and our day to day lives. People who obey will be rewarded. People who disobey will be squashed with dreadful violence in such a way that all may see the violence done and profit by their example.

Then what? Well, then they will begin appointing citizens to administrate the Empire. This is a basic tactic of Empire from Rome to the Dutch to the Brits. Guess who they pick. Dangerous visionaries with a copy of Beyond Good and Evil in their hands and a smirk on their lips? HA HA HA oh my no. They pick....wait for it....powerful and popular people who have been willing to sell out their morals in exchange for authority. AKA the same guys who gave you wedgies in gym class. The same guys who already possess the trappings of power.

The NWO won't save you.

We all live, lust, dream, struggle and finally die alone and nobody comes in in the final act to give us what we feel we've deserved all along. Dark, sinister thoughts are interesting. Believe me when I say, sometimes I want to see the worst. My advice is that you not turn your efforts to look inside you and see what's really there or even to act on your riskiest, most forbidden impulses and see where the chips fall into a cartoon by pretending that, in the end, the NWO comes along and does your work for you.

reply to post by NovusOrdoMundi


I understand that, no one is equal, that's precisely why a centralization of power, removes the rights of the individual(s). No longer will let's say people of Ireland can decide if they wish to have off shore oil drilling, that would be too barbaric for our so-called more enlightened society, instead when the NWO sets in, you'll have bureaucrats representing the people of the world decide if there should be offshore drilling in Ireland, not the Irish.

(By the way, this is precisely what's wrong with the whole concept of an EU, the Irish don't have a say in the matter, bureaucrats in Brussels do. Thank god the Irish new better, they VOTED NO. Good for the Irish. )

If you believe in the individual to self determine where he wants to live, what he wants to do, what he thinks, then of what use is having some large central authority dictating the actions of 6 billion people all of whom have different wants and needs. It is nearly an impossible task, that's not to say they (the NWO) will not try.

The problem with the NWO is that these guys, the power elite if you will, have been taught that one government will eliminate the possibility of wars, as if average common people cause wars. These ivy league idiots failed to understand that the average person does not want to go around killing and causing wars, wars are byproducts of the State and its power structure.

The people in Iran don't want to be bombed back to the stone age or start WW3 or destroy Israel, the average American doesn't want to go kill an Iraqi, all of these terrible things are not caused by the average person. These terrible things are caused by the power elite protecting their vested interest.




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