September of '08 -- Just Listen.

reply to post by MystikMushroom


I'd say that this is fairly novel:

Sun Makes History: First Spotless Month in Nearly a Century

And for the record, I too agree with you MystikMushroom, August has been a fairly novel month. I have a feeling that this thread will prove correct, and something BIG is about to happen. If you're wrong, well at least you aren't afraid to stand by what you've said and admit you were wrong. You have my respect.

BTW, thanks for this thread, it's honestly one of the main reasons I joined ATS. Personally, I've learned a lot about the very interesting and perhaps real Timewave Theory. As a Christian, I believe in many of the metaphysical and spiritual aspects of the theory. We ARE all connected, and as I've lived I've noticed the synchronicity of life. Unlike many Christians I like to be challenged, and I believe that there is much we cannot possibly claim to understand. The spiral makes sense.

reply to post by Warrior of Light


Well said the sun spot info is quite interesting - I'm on pins and needles now for September... I'm ready - bring it on!....

Originally posted by realshanti

Events so far this month - you decide how novel -
Obama nomination
Palin Nomination
Hurricane Gustav bearing down on the gulf coast
Assassination attempt on Obama foiled
Georgia and Russian conflict
Dutch newspaper reports recall of citizens from Iran because of "leaked" reports about possible bombing of Iran by U.S. in a few weeks. (this may be a red herring but interesting nevertheless)
Beijing Olympics (China opening her doors to the world for the first time since the revolution)

Its been a busy August

....

Can's wait to see how September pans out..

I reckon it's likely that this novelty event isn't going to be just one event but maybe an accumulation of events, some novel, some perhaps not so novel and all of the above could be part of that.

It seems to me that the actual novelty factor hinges upon the repercussions of events, the effect that they have on culture and the changes that they cause - therefore it seems possible that an event may not be so novel in itself, it all depends on the effect.

Also, for such a slide into novelty with comparatively little if any return to habit, surely there would have to be a continuing sequence of events that upset the applecart so to speak? After any single event, no matter how big - I cannot see how we would not return to habit, albeit drastically changed habit, eventually. The continuous slide into novelty up to and beyond 2012 - that's a long time not to recover from a single event at least to the point where some form of routine, and thereby habit, is established.

Assuming that I've understood the thing, that is..


BTW - has anyone run the timeline for the periods of WWI & WWII - I'm not sure I'll be able to run the thing on this machine. We've seen the pattern for economic depression, it might be interesting to see what patterns show up in wartime.

[edit on 2-9-2008 by skjalddis]

Stuff happens every month, so I think it will be quite difficult to point at one exact thing for September and say "thats it".

Unless the US attacks Iran, like the fools they are.

I don't normally post here but thought this might be of interest.

I trade and invest shares on the stock market, and the trend that the DOW Jones chart is forming at the moment if quite scary.

A MASSIVE head and shoulders formation spanning over a year is shown on the DOW Jones chart and once it pulls away from the neckline I can see the DOW dropping 2000 points = mayhem on the stock market and the economy

I have a feeling we could witness it this month.

For Mainer

"Apocalyptic prediction transmitted by a second party (rarely first hand)"
Mr. McKenna, being deceased, was probably unable to post himself, thus the need for the OP

Mr. McKenna, did, when he was able, give these predictions himself, BUT they were not apocalyptic predictions. He predicted, quite publicly on the TV show 'Sightings', "the most novel event in the history of mankind would occur 12/21/12". He also predicted that many people unable to handle major change would see this as the end of the world but this was due to their own limitations.

"Predictor is anonymous (for their own safety)"
With many books, lecture tours, and radio and television appearances I really can't see how anybody could refer to him as anonymous.

Each to his own but IMO Mr. McKenna was one of the greatest minds we have
been blessed with in our time and I believe history will record him as such.

Something big, does not necessarily have to be something bad. There are many moments in time where big things happened that were good. Just like there are many moments where things happen and we don't realize the implications for years to come, but they were nevertheless fundamentally very important.

We already know something big is going to happen in September. The giant collider is going to become fully operational. While I personally don't expect a blackhole to eat our world, I do expect to learn some very profound things that may actually change the way we view Space/Time, the Universe and ultimately ourselves. Just as one example.

I just ran across this video:


Very awesome graphical way of showing how he made it

I'd like to here add a bit to this most interesting thread to avoid it going stale.Looking at Timewave graphs for today,I saw that the resonance for now was Sep 8 1738.(This means that the topographical outline of the wave is identical for both times and no others on that scale.The angles depicted change as you examine different timescales,so there's a bit of interpolation required,sorta like using a slide rule where ya hafta keep in mind the decimal place,a paralell running track.)Anyway what this might mean is that the sons of the Revolution were younger men,both here in the US and in France.As were the oppressions endured by the people.Which thought got me to check the resonance of Nov 2,which turns out to be June 2 1748.With exact dates like these,ya get a bunch of questions and few if any answers.Like what was happening then?How was the intellectual development of those Principles who were later to play such a role in our history going? Were they just people with a vague feeling of an impending change like we do and with the same lack of direction to get it on? Etc.
According to my version,the origonal Timewave 0,which I understand has been improved,this long slide into novelty in this thread starts Oct 6 and ends on Dec 11,resonating with Jan 1 1744 and March 20 1755.(So there's even different versions,just like the other cults,yes I know...Yet we're not fighting over it)

Originally posted by trueforger
I'd like to here add a bit to this most interesting thread to avoid it going stale.Looking at Timewave graphs for today,I saw that the resonance for now was Sep 8 1738.(This means that the topographical outline of the wave is identical for both times and no others on that scale.The angles depicted change as you examine different timescales,so there's a bit of interpolation required,sorta like using a slide rule where ya hafta keep in mind the decimal place,a paralell running track.)Anyway what this might mean is that the sons of the Revolution were younger men,both here in the US and in France.As were the oppressions endured by the people.Which thought got me to check the resonance of Nov 2,which turns out to be June 2 1748.With exact dates like these,ya get a bunch of questions and few if any answers.Like what was happening then?How was the intellectual development of those Principles who were later to play such a role in our history going? Were they just people with a vague feeling of an impending change like we do and with the same lack of direction to get it on? Etc.
According to my version,the origonal Timewave 0,which I understand has been improved,this long slide into novelty in this thread starts Oct 6 and ends on Dec 11,resonating with Jan 1 1744 and March 20 1755.(So there's even different versions,just like the other cults,yes I know...Yet we're not fighting over it)

One thing I do not understand about checking resonances, how do you do it? Did you scroll back through time in one day incremental periods until you find a match?

reply to post by Reddupo

Hey Redupo,I just use the resonance key.You get one resonance at that scale,which in turn has a resonance in the nested feactal nature of the wave,but it is in a completely different timescale.Much larger.Do you have a copy?There is a graph on mine,accompanied by user functions which allow one to change various parameters such as start date or time of focus and resonances both future and past.This has to be confusing,but it is really simple once you see it,as is the equation.Like all things Terrence,both confusing and apparently simple.And don't bother tearing your hair out,ya gotta go with Whitehead's 'true enough' and keep at it.Like a Koan.

Events so far for September -

Hurricane Gustav, Ike and possibly one more?
LHC experiment (this week)
Fannie May and Freddie Mac bail out (global implications)

anyone got any other possibilities?

Originally posted by realshanti
Events so far for September -

Hurricane Gustav, Ike and possibly one more?
LHC experiment (this week)
Fannie May and Freddie Mac bail out (global implications)

anyone got any other possibilities?

I think the real dip commenses towards the end of september (at least according to online graph im using). This makes sense with the Fiscal year and presidential elections and of course this swelling military uneasiness throughout the world right now

I just had a thought.

I read the bit about the chemist that said we wouldn't see any effects of the LHC for 4 years. Well, what if the LHC is the 2012 doomsday?

We're talking about novel events right? What if the switching on of the LHC is the novel event for September that is shown on the graph, and in the end this leads to the doomsday event of 12/21/12.

I would see that as a novel event. The day the machine that destroyed the world was started up.

Makes a LOT of sense. I'm actually really scared now....

As promised this is my mathematician brother's take on this subject. Pasted is an email from him I just received; this in response to giving him ample information on the subject (including revisions recently made to the Time-Wave).

hey plucky, no, not legit. i haven't read any of the debunking material yet, but from what i learned about "novelty theory" on wikipedia, it seems to fall prey to the same fallacies as the fundamental precepts of Civilized culture in general, made very apparent in the theology of abrahamic religions specifically: the purpose of the universe is human existence. Any religion or philosophy containing that premise has built its foundations upon mythology, promoting beliefs contrary to observation with no basis in fact, and offers no logical conclusions whatsoever. (and in my personal view, offers little in terms of spiritual expressions of value) Though interesting, and even fascinating in some perspectives, i primarily consider it typical hoogy moogy of our culture. I think one can find semblances of actual threads of "truth" hidden in the fabric of civilization's theologies, but they all eventually unravel due to the loose strings of the stupid assumption that all of creation came about just to produce homosapiens. also, Numerology is entertaining, but tantamount to astrology. And weaving some real cosmology into the bs doesn't legitimize it, though lots of scientific sounding stuff does perform the tricky feat of baiting people, "scientology" a popular example. So, as a scientist, I rate "Novelty Theory" as metaphysical mythology and nothing more. Thanks for the introduction to the ideas. Interesting stuff. I read an english translation of the I-Ching years ago. Didn't know all that other stuff got produced from it. well, gotta go. (raiders look sorry) talk to ya later ~ C

The "civilization" stuff he mentions is all from Daniel Quinn, it has, in my opinion, warped his brain for the worst, but I still love him.

Can anyone provide any additional information that might sway his opinion? for everything goes through the filter of Quinn's philosophical gorilla first and foremost before anything else.

Here is my original message to him:

Wrap your mathematical mind around this and tell me if it is sound. Terrance McKenna, originally had it flawed; however, other mathematicians have helped it along the way. Its foundation is the (from wiki) "One of McKenna's ideas is known as novelty theory. It predicts the ebb and flow of novelty in the universe as an inherent quality of time. McKenna developed the theory in the mid-1970s after his experiences in the Amazon at La Chorrera led him to closely study the King Wen sequence of the I-Ching. Novelty theory involves ontology, extropy, and eschatology." So it is based off of King Wen sequence of the I-Ching (whatever that means). Here is the link to the original debunk of McKenna's work, this may help you with perspective: www.fourmilab.ch... And links to revised timewave after McKenna's death: www.hermetic.ch... www.johnsheliak.com... www.hermetic.ch... Is this legit?

Maybe someone here can craft a better and more succinct message for me to send him, eh?

Let's work together on this.

reply to post by pluckynoonez

Plucky,
I know what Terrence would say to do for thy brother.(hint it's illegal)He has scientism which desperately seeks to remove humanity from the previously held position at the center of the action and for that,one needs the old world view shaken up.A listening to the whole of the Terrence teachings on the King Wen arrangement ,kindled by genuine interest is a good start and that takes time and credulity,the leap to faith.That is durn near impossible for the rigid thinker.A good I CHING prediction might catalyze the process and still the mind with it's uncanny,logic defying,accuracy.He might need a koan and thusly generate the ability to hold two mutually exclusive concepts simultaneously. These are realms of the Shaman and that is a stiff dose for the dualist minded.People go crazy trying.We're weird,non conformists.Or he could simply wait and see the goose peck hir way out of the bottle.That's the great thing about all this,don't hafta wait long...

A thing I noticed about tomorrow(Sun through Mon) on the original Timewave 0 is a steep decline into novelty which exactly mirrors the upcoming much larger one about to happen.The whole premise of the theory is it has universal application especially at the end.Not global warming,universal warming,and yet we are responsible for our actions,all acting together.So events to all simultaneously transpire esp. at the End,yet the far off ones must have already happened?Or we won't see till the light reaches us?So the slight discrepancy of two timewaves ought not be too hard to navigate mentally.Anyway we could pay attention to the next few hours to get a taste of the decline to come.I will.Synchronicity is deff back again btw.Back to mixing concrete in the dark and rain,at least it's not snowing...

reply to post by pluckynoonez


Your bro's criticism is that it it starts off with universal events and plunges into putting events on earth as the primary features of the novelty curve? To me it has a geocentric flair to it that parallels religious doctrine. The best excuse to use to save it is to claim that our entire universal bubble and all entities contained therein are directed by the same curve though I don't claim to be attempting to do so.

That's been my major problem with Novelty Theory and it sounds like we're both on a similar wave in any case.

Originally posted by trueforger
A thing I noticed about tomorrow(Sun through Mon) on the original Timewave 0 is a steep decline into novelty which exactly mirrors the upcoming much larger one about to happen.The whole premise of the theory is it has universal application especially at the end.Not global warming,universal warming,and yet we are responsible for our actions,all acting together.So events to all simultaneously transpire esp. at the End,yet the far off ones must have already happened?Or we won't see till the light reaches us?So the slight discrepancy of two timewaves ought not be too hard to navigate mentally.Anyway we could pay attention to the next few hours to get a taste of the decline to come.I will.Synchronicity is deff back again btw.Back to mixing concrete in the dark and rain,at least it's not snowing...

With so many different variations on TimeWave I don't think you can accurately plot novelty down to the hours.

Watch out for the splitting of Jerusalem in the last week of September and/or the first week of October.