Knife on sale that can freeze its victim

reply to post by jpm1602


And what if, after I have your wallet and your keys and your 500 dollars, I want the only witness to my crime lying dead in the street?

Or what if the situation is just what I posted before, I'm just screwed up on drugs and attacking the first guy I see for no good reason at all?

Not all attacks are about money.

And I gotta say, if somebody was taking your life and you would rather let them kill you than take their life first, then farewell weakling. But if somebody is trying to take my life, and I've got the means to kill them before they have the chance, then I'm going to take it. And if you happen to hear about it, and start that bleeding heart crap about no killing, I'm going to point at the corpse and say "Whine all you want, but the bad guy's dead and I'm still here."

Ban guns they get knives, ban knives...



they will find a way....

Originally posted by unnamedninja
reply to post by TruthTellist

 

You do undersand, they're not banning knives

They're banning teenagers from carrying knives. Big difference there.

I suppose you think every 18 year old should be running around with a switchblade?

As far as I'm aware it's illegal to carry a knife unless your using it for a trade, carpet fitter etc or you can prove it's for a certain use, camping etc.

They are not actually banning teenagers from carrying knives over here, if caught they are cautioned and under Labour's new scheme they will be taken on prison visits and apparently taken to see stab victims in hospitals to show what damage it's possible to cause with a knife.

Probably a scheme that they threw a few million pounds into but never actually thought about it.

Lets take knife wielding nutters into to hospital to see someone who's just been stabbed, yeah nice one mate. Last thing that person wants to see right now is another little scrote that carries a knife around for fun.

What they should have done is said, your caught with a knife, your in jail for 5 years, do not pass go, do not collect your benefits on the way.

Then maybe the kids carrying around knives would actually think twice about what they are doing.

Originally posted by unnamedninja
reply to post by TruthTellist

 

You do undersand, they're not banning knives

They're banning teenagers from carrying knives. Big difference there.

I suppose you think every 18 year old should be running around with a switchblade?

No. Every person 18 years or older should be armed with a semi-automatic. The knife will be carried as a sidearm.

Just Like Switzerland. Switzerland has the lowest crime rate.

Well Switzerland don't have laws against carrying knives because they don't have a knife crime problem. If Swiss teenagers decided stabbing each other was fun thing to do (assuming they could find each other to do it) Then Switzerland would soon decide that it needs some knife carrying laws.

I don't really understand the reasoning on this. We have all kinds of problems in the UK. Drinking, driving, drinking and driving. Knife crime, violent crime without knives. All types you can imagine. And then some bright spark will say, but but, teenagers drink in France, and you don't see them comitting crimes afterwards! Or, they don't even have speed limits in Germany!

Well those rules might be perfectly good for those countries, but in this country of bloodthirsty monkeys, importing laws from good-natured, mild mannered, laid back European neighbours would just result in anarchy here.

What they should have done is said, your caught with a knife, your in jail for 5 years, do not pass go, do not collect your benefits on the way.

Yeah definitely. There's only one reason these teenagers carry knives around. If a teenager has a knife stored away in their camping bag fair enough. But some dodgy drunk kid carrying a knife in his tracksuit bottoms pocket should automatically get done.

[edit on 19-7-2008 by unnamedninja]

reply to post by TruthTellist


Hey,
They are not allowed to carry the guns in public in Switzerland, only if in uniform and travelling to and from bases, Knives are allowed and I admit its one of the safest places to be.

However, I remember reading an article in the Le Matin not so long ago and it said the suicide rate for young males was very high and the majority with their guns.

Peace

Lestat

reply to post by mattifikation


i think you can legaly own them, jus not wield them, atleast over here i think thats what they told me when i bought mine.

Originally posted by mattifikation
I read about that a few days ago, and it left me wanting one.

It's not that I have a particular need for it. It's just that I really like knives. Especially the scary ones. Something about the Second Amendment, and my personal belief that it's not just a freedom extended to guns.

I just wish I could legally own switch-blade knives :-(

Depending on hre you are you can legally own a switch blade, it's just that you can't carry it.

To people thinking that gang members are gonna get their hands on these and go crazy, gang bangers alreafy know how to kill, and carry guns. If they want to knife you they are not gonna spend more than they need to to get a knife to stab you with. Crime will not go up just cause there is a new cool gadget on the market.

Originally posted by unnamedninja

"What they should have done is said, your caught with a knife, your in jail for 5 years, do not pass go, do not collect your benefits on the way.

Yeah definitely. There's only one reason these teenagers carry knives around. If a teenager has a knife stored away in their camping bag fair enough. But some dodgy drunk kid carrying a knife in his tracksuit bottoms pocket should automatically get done."

[edit on 19-7-2008 by unnamedninja]

What if I decide to go jogging with my pocket knife. Should I be locked away in jail for 5 years? What if I simply wish to carry a knife with me? As I have done since I brought my first SAK when I was 8 or so.

Really, this unrealistic and dangerous metality is helping this country slide into totalitarianism.

"There's only one reason these teenagers carry knives around."

Why do you assume that every person in their teens who carries a knife with them does so with malicious intent? Do you really think the vast number of people who carry a knife with them have a desire to stab someone?

reply to post by Spreadthetruth


It's Orwellian, alright, but it's even worse than that. Let's suppose for a moment that there is a knife crime problem in the UK, and it isn't just an artifact of media games. Is the knife really the problem? That seems like such a weak conclusion to draw from it. "Don't make me think... just take the knives away from them..." This would only be asinine if it were only knives we were discussing. But it's a standard response to everything "I don't care if the problem is rooted in poverty of one kind or another, I just want the symptoms to go away. Make a law!" And then the law is made. If you keep up this approach, pretty soon everyone will be a criminal.

Originally posted by Finn1916

Depending on hre you are you can legally own a switch blade, it's just that you can't carry it.

I owned a switchblade here in Florida. Where I bought it, they also sold stiletto's! The stiletto spring was very weak though and didn't have the force to push through a couple pieces of paper though, for obvious safety reasons.

In Florida you are allowed to carry a switchblade knife up to around 4" I do believe.

Switchblade - Wikipedia

In 2003, Florida Governor Jeb Bush overturned a questionable law stating "No one shall carry a self propelled knife". The law was cleared up to allow Florida residents to use switchblade knives. (Portion of 790.225, F.S)

Florida Law - 790.225, F.S

III.
Effect of Proposed Changes:
Senate Bill 2256 refines the statutory description of self-propelled knives to include the term “ballistic” and to specify that the law refers to a device which physically separates the blade from the device. It further clarifies that s. 790.225, F.S, does not apply to any device from which a knifelike blade opens where such blade remains physically integrated with the device when open.
This was the original intent of the 1985 legislation and this bill should rectify any ambiguity in the current statutory language.

Switchblade ARE legal in Florida!

The laws regarding the way knives can be opened are laughable.

Switchblades were originally designed to enable fishermen to be able to have something safe and reliable that can be opened with one hand free.

Places ban switchblades on the grounds that they're 'scary'.

If you're going jogging you don't need to carry a knife as far as I know.

It's funny that I'm disagreeing with people about this, I'm a complete anarchist, I hate that our liberties are being eroded. I preach endlessly to people who don't even want to listen to me about how coppers are taking peoples cameras who take pictures of the houses of parliament, and then stick em on some terror watch list. I'm pretty clued up about how this country is going to the dogs, and it's going to be soon you cant even go use your own toilet without getting someone's permission first.

But I would rather have my right to carry a knife removed than be stabbed, honestly. That's all that worries me. If I get caught out and I REALLY REALLY need to cut a piece of string and I don't have a knife with me, I guess it'll be my tough luck.

It's Orwellian, alright, but it's even worse than that. Let's suppose for a moment that there is a knife crime problem in the UK, and it isn't just an artifact of media games. Is the knife really the problem? That seems like such a weak conclusion to draw from it. "Don't make me think... just take the knives away from them..." This would only be asinine if it were only knives we were discussing. But it's a standard response to everything "I don't care if the problem is rooted in poverty of one kind or another, I just want the symptoms to go away. Make a law!" And then the law is made. If you keep up this approach, pretty soon everyone will be a criminal.

It's Orwellian and I'm all in favour. I don't see whats wrong with creating laws to stop people getting killed. If all they did was make a single law and dust off their hands and say "Job done" then obviously you'd have a point. Luckily the government is taking it a bit more seriously than this, and getting their heads together and hopefully they'll come up with something of substance to REDUCE the amount of deaths.

They definitely wont fix the problem of knife crime. The problem is multifaceted and no government can fix this, even if it did try a multifaceted approach to solving the problem. All the knife carrying law does is reduce the amount of knives on the streets. Sure people are still going to carry them illegally, still people are going to get stabbed by nutters, but less. If this law can save 1 life, and frustrate a bunch of people really needing to cut some string then I think it's worth it.

Personally, if I'm going out for a night with my mates, I wont need to cut a piece of string or sharpen a piece of wood. Same goes for if I'm going up the highstreet to buy something I probably wont need to use a knife if I'm honest with myself. Nor if i went jogging. In fact jogging with a knife in your pocket might yank your tracksuit bottoms around your ankles. If you do need a knife it's most likely going to be in your own home or at work.

Anyone, and I mean anyone no matter how well intentioned, out on the razz on a saturday night carrying a knife should be viewed with suspicion.

[edit on 19-7-2008 by unnamedninja]

That is where we diverse on the evolutionary tree mattification. I'd spill my blood on the street before taking another human life. Insane?
More than likely.
Oh wait! I only spent 24 years of my life taking care of debilitated dialysis pts.
If I had a nickel for every ass I wiped and explosive vomitous I'd be a rich man.
But I am a rich man.
In my empathy.
Call me a weakling. I've seen, cleaned, handled things you never could.
If you could have seen me in 84 handling an ER pt strung up on PCP you would not call me a weakling. No violence but heavy restraint was necessary.

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[edit on 7/19/2008 by jpm1602]

reply to post by Spreadthetruth


If you could prove you had the knife in your possession for a valid reason then no you shouldn't go to jail. I cannot see how you would ever need a knife when you go jogging. Care to enlighten me on why you would need it?

I agree with you in the fact that it's moving towards more power for the government and the police (which I do not agree with), I'm sure your just thinking, well I'm not going to stab anyone I'm not doing any harm going running with this knife, so why bother me.

Trouble is you can have one rule for 'normal and sensible people who carry knives' and 'nutters with knives'

On talksport a few weeks back on Jon Gaunt's show (he does chat a lot of #, but some of the stuff is brilliant) a bouncer called in and said, a few weeks back we searched someone as they were entering and found a knife in their pocket, we grabbed them and rang the police. Police came and took him away, 4 hours later he returned to the same club. Police had just cautioned him and let him go.

A caution for taking a knife into a nightclub!?!? He should have been locked up no questions asked.

Originally posted by cleggy88
A caution for taking a knife into a nightclub!?!? He should have been locked up no questions asked.

Maybe he wasn't clear on current UK legislation. At present it is perfectly legal to carry a folding pocket knife, providing it doesn't have a safety lock (Some idiot decided my finger tips aren't worth protecting) and can't exceed 3 inches in length. Maybe he misjudged the size of the blade? Or the model he had contained a safety lock, but otherwise was a legal knife.

I cannot see how you would ever need a knife when you go jogging. Care to enlighten me on why you would need it?

I only used jogging as an example (Someone mentioned tracksuit bottoms..). How about a walk around the local woods? As a boy I have fond memories of carving sticks and doing boy-ish things while proudly carrying my Swiss army knife, able to tackle any task. In more recently times it's found use in opening overly packaged goods and removing bits of rogue thread from clothing. It also has a toothpick and tweezers conveniently attatched to the handle. I'd say it's a useful everyday item to carry.

I've been threatened to be stabbed twice now. The last time for nothing more than looking in the general direction of someone who was shouting insults aimed at me. Has this made me stop carrying a (Legal) pocket knife? Nope.









[edit on 19-7-2008 by Spreadthetruth]

reply to post by unnamedninja


I like to think of myself as somewhat evolved. Maybe I am mistaken. In either case, if I go for a stroll down a moonlit lane, I will be slightly comforted knowing that I have a knife in my pocket. For what purpose? Well, that depends on what fate tosses my way.

You said you would be in favor of having your right to carry a knife taken away from you if it would save 1 life. What if having a knife on your person in a crisis made the difference between life and death? What if you were in an automobile accident and either you or a passenger was stuck because the safety belt would not unfasten? A pocket knife would come in handy.

Honestly, I think this willingness to throw away personal freedom is irrational. There is an alternative explanation to paranoia, however, and that would be that you do not trust yourself with a knife. This may or may not be paranoia. I don't know, but you should. Do you trust yourself with a knife, or do you not think you should have the option of deciding this for yourself?

reply to post by jpm1602


It is an evolutionary question, in the end. I appreciate your willingness to lay down your life for another human being, but have you thought it through?

You might earn points in heaven, or you might not. If I were God, and I watched you lay down your life so that a thug could live and go on to take more lives, I might not have such a high opinion of your application of high spiritual ideals. Ever heard the expression "so heavenly bound that you're no earthly good"?

This reality may not be what it appears to be, but there is something going on. I think the idea is to get your ego out of the way. Let it die, and good riddance. But your body is still here, and it is meant to serve others and not just yourself.

Originally posted by unnamedninja

Yeah definitely. There's only one reason these teenagers carry knives around. If a teenager has a knife stored away in their camping bag fair enough. But some dodgy drunk kid carrying a knife in his tracksuit bottoms pocket should automatically get done.
[edit on 19-7-2008 by unnamedninja]

I don't think that's true, maybe some of these teenagers are carrying knives around to protect themselves against someone who would try to attack them with a knife.


I understand your frustration with all the knife crimes there. It's kind of like my frustration with all the shootings here in Chicago. But we have very strict gun laws here and that has yet to stop these kids from shooting each other (and countless innocent people) up, all it has succeeded in doing is preventing law abiding citizens from protecting themselves.


Unfortunately we live in an extremely violent society right now and all the laws they can dream up banning anything that can be used as a weapon isn't going to change that fact. Heck if they really want to stab someone they can pull a branch off a tree and sharpen it to a point on the sidewalk and use it to stab someone. You can make some pretty wicked weapons out of just about anything.


I've heard quite a bit about "these teens" commiting the knife crimes being drunk, maybe the majority of the problem is not the knives, but rather the kids being under the influence of alchohol. Banning knives isn't going to help, finding and solving the real source of the problem is.



I'm not a criminal and have no intent to stab or hurt another human being, or an animal for that matter, however when i go out whether walking or in a car you better believe i have a knife (since i can't carry a gun) along with other things to protect myself. If someone tries to harm, or rape me, or if some vicious dog tries to attack me i want to be able to protect myself, as is everybody's right.