My UFO meeting with Sr. Air Force personnel

I have a few questions, forgive me if any are repeats i read only to page 4. :S

Was there a mirror and or camera in the room?

What color were the walls and tiles, carpet, or what have you on the floor?

How big was the room, what sort of room was it?

Did the room have a title, number, or some sort of designation?

Did you pass any labs or any areas of manufacturing while on your way to this room?

Were the people who you talked at wearing name tags?

About how old was the guy who had the smirk on his face and what did you assume his job was?

Thats all for now, if I think of anything else i will ask later.

You have said you had this analyzed and I was wondering if you could inform the name of the lab, and what tests were done to analyze this.

Was this done by a graduate student friend of yours or by a legitimate lab? Is this lab's main purpose the analysis of ET evidence? I mean, is it in their mission statement?

How much did you pay for the analysis?

Since I am certain you can't scan the report they gave you, can you quickly retype some of it? The tests and their raw results for instance.

I am assuming this was not just a verbal reply of 99% silicon, 1% other. I mean, that was the other guys test. The one you had done, you said they told you they couldn't analyze unknown elements. Does this mean they didn't analyze it when you told them it was ET based?

If it was analyzed, how much of the object did you remove for analysis? Did you send them the whole piece? If so, how much of it did you get back?


Basically, Was it analyzed?, Who analyzed it?, What tests did they do?, What were the raw results?, How much of it was used for testing?, How much did the testing cost?, and What exactly did they say in regard to "Unknown Elements?"

Surely a sophisticated lab could rule out all terrestrial elements.

Please answer all or at least a few of these questions. I am not attacking, I am just trying to get a little detail about something you seem to have no problem disclosing. Just please tell me more. I can't interpret the raw results but I am sure some here could.

reply to post by ET_CONTACT


Uuuh come again?

I never claimed UFOs are made from silicon.
The OP stated his "piece of UFO material" has been analyzed and came back as 99% silicon and 1% "unknown".

For the record, I do not believe in shape shifting reptilians nor do i believe in silicon UFOs.

Please update your sarcasm-detector!


[edit on 24-6-2008 by sn00daard]

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I know, we all want to believe it. But "a butler" let him out?

I'm just using that as a little example. Military officials will just sit there and some "butler" "let him out"?

Don't you have to be escorted everywhere when invited into a military base?

If military was really interested in what he had, wouldn't they have sent someone to his house first to see what he had? They don't just have people come into military facilities.

This is a fun website, I really enjoy it. But I'm a little amazed at the number of people who just want to create and perpetuate fake stories.

It seems like 90% of the posts are just hyped up nonsense, fabrications. Like those tabloid newspapers.

But, maybe that's part of the reason this site is so fun, I don't know.

Originally posted by Electro38
reply to post by mc_squared

 

I know, we all want to believe it. But "a butler" let him out?

I'm just using that as a little example. Military officials will just sit there and some "butler" "let him out"?

Butler was the name of the Doctor he set up the meeting with.

You made a funny

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Well about the silicon, when any aircraft crashes the shell is not the only part of the craft left behind. I am getting the feeling that some people are assuming that if this is in fact a piece of the alien craft it must be the shell. It could very well be from any part of the craft if in fact it is from an alien craft. However I to first thought obsidian when I first seen the small images.

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The facility he went to is a research facility not a military base.

www.merc.mercer.edu...

SnOOdard:

He did in fact say "A butler" let him out.

I went to play drums and I come back to all this? Gee Wizz...

Look folks, you're trying to make more out of this than it is. I wanted Dr. Butler to take a look at my UFO fragment and talk to him. He said he had no problem with meeting me at the MERC facility near the base because that's where he was going to be that day. Some Lockheed Martin Engineers joined the meeting. No big deal. Well it kinda was, but there was no disclosure. There was mostly silence. But I found the silence to be a very spooky kind of silence. I expected someone to say something but no one did. I really do appreciate them taking an hour out of their busy schedule to meet with me even though I had to drive a total of 4 hours there and back.

I said good bye to them and they were very nice, but like I said very quiet. I was lucky enough to talk UFOs with some interesting people, lets leave it at that and not try to twist everything.

When I get the lab result analysis from Dick Criswell I will post them right here on ATS. You have my word.

By butler I mean a guy who greats you at the door and escorts you out. Kinda funnay that I was there to see Dr. Butler.

Ok sorry, I'll go sit quietly in my corner again then

Originally posted by sn00daard
Ok sorry, I'll go sit quietly in my corner again then

You know I love you guys like brothers. You are my UFO-brothers.

I'm very pleased to see my interest in Geology and rocks in general is common on ATS. I've been an avid "Rockhound" and prospector since the age of 9 when my Father set up a Lapidary shop in our basement. I started as a Geology Major in a University, so I'm a bit more advanced than the average "Rockhound".

Your assay report and the photo do indeed SCREAM Obsidian. I think the trouble is that you are unaware of the extreme variety of Obsidian's that exist. Here is a page of some examples of different varieties.

Another issue is the idea of finding Obsidian in Indiana where it should not exist. It turns out it is not that uncommon after all. Please read this article.

Now you might be thinking, "Wait, Ellery, how can you certain that space aliens didn't collect obsidian from the American Northwest and bring it to Native Americans in Indiana? Isn't that an assumption?" Yes, it's a logical assumption based on the evidence. There is no plausible evidence of aliens (despite von Daniken's claims of ancient spaceports in the New World). On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence of long-distance trade in Indiana and the Midwest. There are Caribbean shells, Pacific shark teeth, Southeastern mica, Lake Superior copper, and other trade items found in Indiana, Ohio, and the surrounding states. It is reasonable to conclude, therefore, that Native Americans had extensive exchange systems during some periods and that the exchange systems did not involve extraterrestrials (or Egyptians, the Lost Tribe, or Vikings).

Something to consider-
You have an emotional involvement due to your Fathers experience. You have a career involvement with your upcoming show. You also have a second emotional involvement because you have met the source of your object and it is hard to overlook personality when considering whether or not you are being presented with facts.

I believe your object is most likely from a piece of Obsidian, that should probably be part of an Archaeological display in a museum, that is a result of Indian trade and culture in the area it was collected. That does not mean there was not an actual UFO encounter, it simply means the evidence was misidentified through an emotional response and the proximity.

You should contact whoever took the photo's and get the original quality to post. Finding a scanner should not be a problem these days, unless you are a hermit.

You took a real risk here, with such a weak presentation, considering you are about to embark on a career in this subject. I'm not criticizing, just thinking out loud.

It is a shame you did not seek out advice from the huge resource you have here at ATS before the meeting.

Before you label me, I am a believer in this subject, I'm also a realist about what constitutes evidence and in the need to be absolutely open minded both ways when presented with evidence.

Originally posted by sn00daard

Originally posted by Electro38
reply to post by mc_squared

 

I know, we all want to believe it. But "a butler" let him out?

I'm just using that as a little example. Military officials will just sit there and some "butler" "let him out"?

Butler was the name of the Doctor he set up the meeting with.

You made a funny

No, really he said; "A butler opened the door for me and I left. "

"A butler..."

It is still comical though.

Emotional conection? NO...

My grandfather did have a close encounter with a UFO. That only sparked my interest in finding out the truth.

I swear on a bible that my fragment looks so different when you look at it in person. I'll try to get some better pics of it, but like I said for some reason it doesn't want to shine in pictures.

Could you please post a copy of the testing results on this object? Thanks.

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Take it to a Geologist. Put the controversy to rest.


[edit on 6/24/2008 by Blaine91555]

Blaine91555 - I'll put it is way.... ANYONE ON ATS THAT LIVES IN GEORGIA AND WOULD LIKE TO COME TO MY PLACE AND VIEW MY FRAGMENT IS MORE THAN WELCOME TO. SIMPLY U2U ME A MESSAGE AND I'LL SET UP THE DATE AND TIME.

Someone on the Open Minds Forum drove down here from Alpharetta and took the images. He was amazed by it.

I've tried to post the link to the thread he started on Open Minds Forum but I can't get it to post right. Just go to www.openmindsforum.com and click on the ENTER THE FORUM section at the top. Then click on the UFO/ Aliens / Exobiology / Crop Circles section. Then click on the "UFO Artifact?" thread Dragonfire (Jerry) started once he uploaded the pics he took to his computer.

[edit on 24-6-2008 by ufo reality]

I think this is a good post.If nothing else it helps to put my own interest of ufology in perspective.I think there are boundaries in this field I would never cross and the reaction of the people in that room are probably why.If I had the same experience as the op I would have left that meeting feeling with a feeling of embarrassment.I do give him props for having the courage to go through with it but imo it crosses the line between reality and fantasy.

Originally posted by ufo reality

I swear on a bible that my fragment looks so different when you look at it in person. I'll try to get some better pics of it, but like I said for some reason it doesn't want to shine in pictures.

I believe that you believe what you are saying. I think perhaps you closed your mind.

My apologies for confusing Father with Grandfather. Duh

Did you even read the article? How many varieties of Obsidian have you personally observed and from how many different deposits? On what are you basing your opinion?