My UFO meeting with Sr. Air Force personnel

this is the most useless thread ive ever seen, why on earth would you show this to the military and not the general public yourself. im sorry but as much as id like to believe your story, if you really wanted to get the truth out there you would get us the pictures of what you have online and not show them to military personnel who obviously would not give a damn about what you have to say.

There's a larger elephant in the room that no one really is asking, and it's one that I might have to go to Dr. Butler to get info on myself.

That is -- why would they even meet with UFO Reality to begin with. Perhaps one poster touched upon this, and it may be evident given others in that meeting (i.e., the Lockheed personnel), but really, it's not every day that AF brass agree to meet with us tin foil hat community.

As a reporter, I give UFO Reality kudos for the chutzpah and the legwork. Really, I would love to know if they even offered any conclusions. And if they did want to meet with UFO Reality due to the "crash," then the larger question is what skunkwork crashed up there?

Originally posted by ufo reality

Originally posted by sos37
Question - have you ever photographed and posted a pic of this fragment here on ATS?

Yes, in fact in this very thread!

As for the reptoid photo, it's in black and white like I said and I don't have a scanner. I'll work on it though.

I see them now on page two. That's what I get for being impatient and not looking further. Thanks for posting them!

Word for word same as your post from page 5. And lets watch the swearing folks.

spiderj









[edit on 6/24/2008 by Spiderj]

ALL OF YOU PEOPLE should of called BS the minute you read the OP. You don't get meetings with the Air Force like that. You absolutely don't get meetings with AF Brass to discuss the topic of the century without being a Director of one of those three letter agencies. EVEN if the OP had in fact a genuine piece of a crashed saucer you can rest assured he would of been relieved of it long ago! They could just come to your house and say it's a matter of National Security and take it from you and you would be lucky if thats all that happened. THIS PLACE HAS GONE MAD!

SERIOUSLY some of the MODS better think about a proper vetting system before allowing such outrageous posts to see these users. Knowing that won't happen I wonder how ATS expects to gain any credibility at all.

AS-

Originally posted by A SINCLAIR
NICE PIECE OF FICTION!
You don't own a digital camera? PLEASE stop embarrassing yourself. Actually im embarrassed for you.

AS-

Thats what I can't figure out. the OP is somehow credentialed to call a meeting with these higher-ups, but isn't credentialed enough to own a digi-camera. Lets give him the benefit of the doubt though. He said his friend from another forum took the original photos. The only problem is that all he has to show for them are tiny 3x3 72dpi internet thumbnails.

I have asked UFO Reality twice already (on this thread) why he didn't ask for the hi-res images from the man whom he claimed took the photos. Seems pretty fair right? Each time, my question is evaded. If I had a piece of what I thought was a real ET ship, that would be the FIRST thing I would ask for. A Whole lot of holes in this story so far. I'm working on my patience though.



[edit on 24-6-2008 by NightVision]

Originally posted by ufo reality
It was like I was schooling them. That's the feeling I got. They were in shock at what I was telling them.

I don't think thats the feeling they had, the fact you said one was 'smirking' at you probably shows they didn't take you seriously at all.

Also, like someone else said, you don't just get meetings like that with the Air Force and the stereotypical 'dark room with dark chairs and a big table and a big white light above me'.

If they thought you had anything of such importance that they felt might get out, whats to say you would of left the building at all?

[edit on 24/6/08 by Liamoville]

FWIW, I know lots of high ranking "government/industry types" some from the CIA, some from the military, etc... They are HUMAN BEINGS that live here on Earth just like the rest of us and some of them are just as confused and curious as we are about the UFO phenom. It stands to reason that if there is a huge cover up, VERY, VERY, VERY few people would even be aware of it much less know the details and even fewer yet would know the "big picture".

I can very easily see how an aerospace expert with an interest in "this stuff" would be agreeable to setting up a meeting with someone who claimed to have a piece of a UFO. Sheer curiosity would almost guarantee it.

You'll notice per his report that "uforeality" did all the talking as well.

Springer...

I feel sorry for some of you. Some of your comments are cracking me up

Look, I work for Kroger. My background in Ufology spans 10 years. I requested to meet with Dr. Butler and he set the meeting up. Why the stars all lined up and I was able to do this I don't know.

If I was a true Ufologist I wouldn't have met with these people? Are you nuts? This is exactly what we should be doing. I'm not scared of these elitists.

I'm not going to defend myself anymore, there's no point because everyone seems to have their own negative opinions and pretenses.

Originally posted by mrbooms
this is the most useless thread ive ever seen, why on earth would you show this to the military and not the general public yourself. im sorry but as much as id like to believe your story, if you really wanted to get the truth out there you would get us the pictures of what you have online and not show them to military personnel who obviously would not give a damn about what you have to say.

I have taken pictures and posted them online!!!!

Originally posted by A SINCLAIR
ALL OF YOU PEOPLE should of called BS the minute you read the OP. You don't get meetings with the Air Force like that. You absolutely don't get meetings with AF Brass to discuss the topic of the century without being a Director of one of those three letter agencies. EVEN if the OP had in fact a genuine piece of a crashed saucer you can rest assured he would of been relieved of it long ago! They could just come to your house and say it's a matter of National Security and take it from you and you would be lucky if thats all that happened. THIS PLACE HAS GONE MAD!

SERIOUSLY some of the MODS better think about a proper vetting system before allowing such outrageous posts to see these users. Knowing that won't happen I wonder how ATS expects to gain any credibility at all.

AS-

Most bases have what is callled "Public Relations" For all that we know he probably had a meeting with the "Public Relations Officer" who invited his friends to the freekshow; then laughed thier [snip] off in the parking lot afterwards......How would you know?


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[edit on 24-6-2008 by elevatedone]

Originally posted by Springer
FWIW, I know lots of high ranking "government/industry types" some from the CIA, some from the military, etc... They are HUMAN BEINGS that live here on Earth just like the rest of us and some of them are just as confused and curious as we are about the UFO phenom.

I agree 100%, and I believe UFOReality actually sat down with these guys. But what I cant figure out is why he is persistent about presenting evidence that is basically inconclusive, i.e. the small thumbnails of the pieces of a UFO that look a whole lot like rocks. I dunno, the whole is just starting to smell sour for me.

Originally posted by Springer
FWIW, I know lots of high ranking "government/industry types" some from the CIA, some from the military, etc... They are HUMAN BEINGS that live here on Earth just like the rest of us and some of them are just as confused and curious as we are about the UFO phenom. It stands to reason that if there is a huge cover up, VERY, VERY, VERY few people would even be aware of it much less know the details and even fewer yet would know the "big picture".

I can very easily see how an aerospace expert with an interest in "this stuff" would be agreeable to setting up a meeting with someone who claimed to have a piece of a UFO. Sheer curiosity would almost guarantee it.

You'll notice per his report that "uforeality" did all the talking as well.

Springer...

Thank you Springer. *sigh*

38181 - These were not public relations people.

Originally posted by ufo reality


I have taken pictures and posted them online!!!!

I will ask you for a third time: Why didn't you get the hi-res images (instead of tiny thumbnails) from the person who took these photos of your pieces of a UFO?

Please do not ignore my question.

I don't disagree that he probably met these guys, but like someone else sad, its hard to believe that they did anything else other than laugh their arses off in the car pack afterwards.

Especially since you said one was smirking at you the whole time.

Civility and Decorum are Required

Thanks

Originally posted by Springer
FWIW, I know lots of high ranking "government/industry types" some from the CIA, some from the military, etc... They are HUMAN BEINGS that live here on Earth just like the rest of us and some of them are just as confused and curious as we are about the UFO phenom. It stands to reason that if there is a huge cover up, VERY, VERY, VERY few people would even be aware of it much less know the details and even fewer yet would know the "big picture".

I can very easily see how an aerospace expert with an interest in "this stuff" would be agreeable to setting up a meeting with someone who claimed to have a piece of a UFO. Sheer curiosity would almost guarantee it.

You'll notice per his report that "uforeality" did all the talking as well.

Springer...

WOW impressive very impressive if that is true and you know these people then you should of been the first to call him out. So much for that. I hope you don't take it the wrong way and get defensive but you are coming to the OP's rescue and you did mention that you know lots of high ranking individuals from both the CIA (wow really??) and the military. Then again I guess if CIA Officers and High ranking members of our armed services associate with extreme fringe website owners well anyting is possible.

AS-

behindthescenes - The meeting I had with Dr. Butler and company was private. If you try to contact him or anyone else from ATS does for that matter and I loose contact with him I am going to be very pissed off, I will never go on ATS again, and I will talk about it on Coast to Coast AM and anywhere else I can. So I suggest everyone leaves Dr. Butler alone.


The images he took were with a digital SONY cam. They were as good as he could take! I told you for some reason it doesn't show it's true character in pictures! What more do you want from me?!

ufo reality, any chance you could address some of the genuine questions people have asked (including mine on the bottom of the previous page)?

People aren't asking you to defend yourself, just develope some of what you've said further. For my part what I wrote probably came off as a little rude and for that I'm sorry, but I feel they were still valid questions.

Explaining things is not the same as defending yourself, and I'm sorry that the people who are jumping up and down on your make you feel that way...