Is the USA the most EVIL nation on the planet

USA isnt evil. Just because the bush is evil doesnt mean that every president before him was evil, for gods sake we loved Clinton here in europe. Just because the 7 years we have had with bush has been a worldwide catastroph doesnt mean that USA is evil, it means that bush is evil.
I have visited USA any times and I can tell you that the American people are great people!!

bush isnt America, its the American people that is America.

//Jacob from Sweden

reply to post by manson_322


The US has only 10% of the world population but consume more
oil than any other. Pollutes more than any other, Although china is
close. The government wants to be the World Police, while US Corporations
want to control what you buy in every corner of the Globe.

The US sends more money for 6Million People in Israel than all the other countries combined. And those others they lend money to there's always a catch, usually means them handing over their resources.

The US Government like to force other governments change, Not because
it's right or wrong but because it suits their needs.

The US will make friends with a Country based on, the Enemy of my Enemy
is my Friend.

If the US Government was a Company it would be court for Controlling
and Manipulating the Market for their own gain.

Originally posted by dogsofpeace
reply to post by LateApexer313

 

Can someone out there give me a reasonably accurate total of how many millions of Men Women and children that America has killed post WW2? Then could you tell me how many Jews the Germans killed.I guess America can at least say they are not racist as they will just about blow up and kill anyone in the world!!

Lol but the people we kill usually deserve it...

Originally posted by thefreepatriot
America is not evil... Its leaders are, however since we are letting them do whatever they want, we might as well be doing it ourselves...I am sick of wars sick of fighting sick of the media... sick of the lies, sick of the poisoning of our families with flouride etc... I am sick of it... but most americans are content, lazy and seem to know more about American Idol then whats going on in the middle east.. I am just sick of it.. I think the media is slowly losing its strangelhold on misinformation... I think people are starting to wake up... But after how many lives and families destroyed? Somthing evil is definetly driving the leaders of our country...

Bro, the flouride isn't so bad ... everyone says we suck and it's so easy to want to not stand out...

I can just say this, i'm 37, haven't done much with my life so far (although i'm trying) but a huge slacker for years and I partied my arse off and had... a great life so far, it's mostly been easy all the way... But I have the time to read thousands of books inbetween, an internet where i can find any information i want, I live in the best neighborhood in my current city, I get hot women, have had 2 children a crime in other countries...

and, well, I didn't do all that much to have all that and...the only time I ever got in trouble I deserved it, (I was so drunk lol) and, i'm 37 and people gasp when they see my liscence...think i'm under 25

so while every one talks about posion and global warming and plots to kill us all and lol Flouride... How come I look 10 years younger than my dad did at my age?

We are doing something right, our leaders corrupt? Whatever, not like other countries... those meat hormones seem to keep my skin just right, the flouride has lefty me cavity free... I'm pretty happy most of the time and... well, come on...it's America man, soooo we are stepping on some toes for a few years, it's still America

are many of us idiots... sure you have tobe to F up when you have a totally dominant govt and the resources of a continent at your disposal
decence is ripe in many people... but you know, serves the trailer trash right...

I mean, lol... our huge "depression" wow, people might have to work hard for a change and do a little less dope to pull out of this...

it's so good here man... parts of Europe and Canada have it better...by the numbers... woo hoo for them... Big nation will have more retards per capita, hard thing to control

Originally posted by LEAP STICK
reply to post by manson_322

 

The US has only 10% of the world population but consume more
oil than any other. Pollutes more than any other, Although china is
close. The government wants to be the World Police, while US Corporations
want to control what you buy in every corner of the Globe.

The US sends more money for 6Million People in Israel than all the other countries combined. And those others they lend money to there's always a catch, usually means them handing over their resources.

The US Government like to force other governments change, Not because
it's right or wrong but because it suits their needs.

The US will make friends with a Country based on, the Enemy of my Enemy
is my Friend.

If the US Government was a Company it would be court for Controlling
and Manipulating the Market for their own gain.

Everybody hates a winner... tonight I threw out a big piece of chicken, I'd send it to Zaire but, well it would spoil wouldn't it (shut my mom down on that one when I was 7)

It's not our fault if the miracle of desalinization and irrigation is beyond the ability of 3rd world countries to handle... didn't the mayans have that down 1,400 years ago?

So we make allot of garbage... yet somehow we aren't swilling around in it like allot of other countries that have no money... why because as goofy as the worst of are we can figure out another great invention... The Garbage can... we can smoke because we have Ionic Breeze thingies that pull the crap out of our air... oooooo Magic

We also happen to have produced and with canada and mexico still produce a darn good share of the oil and we knocked the first wells out... of course we depend on it, we were pioneers in oil and cars... because we are ambitious people... so sure we use allot...

and bio diesel...we will produce more than anyone again now... did you know when prices get high enough, Colorado has more shale Oil then the guesstimates of Saudi reserves...

and Nuclear? Uh...USA, and LOL if Tribal nit wits and Fanatic religous freaks consume less it's because they are backwards...

we used allot of energy to go to the Moon too... wanna bet we colonize space first too...

an Asteroid towed back can be worth 17 Trillion - 37 Trillion in precious metals and other ores btw... what are we going to run out of energy sources and raw materials... whole solar system out there bud... takes allot of OIL to Industrialize things into the computer and space age...

so sorry about the places where women are raped by the Millions and people don't have cars to burn fuel with... we will open new territory, terrasform what needs terraforming find the energy we need and...

sucks to live in a cave man, but I don't feel guilty about it... I don't

I would first start by saying you may not like what the op has to say but he does have a valid point. The U.S is run by very evil people and we are the best terrorist in the world. But we are far from stupid. The problem is The chain of events in the last 8 years has taken us to the point of no return. As i have said before in another post, The United states has a bigger agenda ahead and it doesnt stop in iran. china is the ultimate goal. World domination is what they are after and full control.

Now as far as the people go, There isnt much we can do at this point. We do not have any control over whats about to happen. Now what the op is doing is what others have done in the past. blame a whole nation for what there government has or is doing and thats just wrong.

Look how alot of americans acted right after 911, They seen an arab and Blamed him/her for what happened. This is the same mentality the op has. And yes he definetly is trolling. But as i said he has a point. Atleast in other countries If a ruler is not liked by the people he is forced out and overruled or in some cases killed. The people wont tolerate it. But because we as a democratic nation have laws and standards this could never happen, plus our government is to powerful and wouldnt let it happen.

There is no country that is a threat to the us except for china, They are the only ones we would have to worry about. The wars we will fight until then will be for stratigic position's To secure the borders around china. Dont get me wrong, There are many other factors involved as well. So dont be to hard on the op for being ignorant, He has his blinders on just like so many others. And it doesnt matter what we say, he wont change.

So read the post, It says Is the USA the most evil, It doesnt say the people in the USA. We are represented by our government so in turn, we are the most evil. Sad but true.

i am from the UK, and well USA to me are just plain selfish and evil, they call themsevels 'leaders of the freeworld' who the hell decided that.

i can think of loads of things wrong with the USA, here are just some:

1. they are preventing contries in the world devloping into something better, this shows they are afraid of looseing there power or grip over the world.

2. americans are so ignorant and patrotic that it does everyones head in, all they care about is there own contary.

3. Americas independence day is soon, can anyone tell witch empire they are independant from, the British Empire. pretty much everyone on the east coast of america are decendent from people from europe, pretty much all the cities on the east coast are named after english towns.

4. the majority of technology in the america was created in Europe they like to say it was all them. for example the B2 bomber and the Nuclear bomb was created by the Nazis.

5. there are many agencies in america eg CIA FBI NSA, who knows what secrets they are hideing from there own people.

6. america think there invincible, they are not. they depend on the goverment for help not themselves.

7. the UK hates america, they only take advantage of the good stuff like orlando and las vagas, how my english tourists do u see in washington DC.

8. a poll was conducted online who wud u want the next american president to be 75% voted obama, cos he has good ideas and it makes america look more like fair contry not a dominateing one.

9. the world wud be a much better place with out america wish the vikings never discoverd it.

Look if other nations have major problems they don't need money ...send them a set of tools... 99.99 in sears for a full awesome set, and throw in 10.00 for a shovel..everyone who needs to learn frackin irrigation needs a shovel... and let them dig for oil too... that's what we did to run it all up dug holes with a big drill and found oil...

I'm going to six flaggs next weekend, in my Suv that burns a ton of gas i'm going to buy crap from China another great nation, eat a ton of #, then use more oil to power a tread mill to burn it all off the next day, I'm going to eat a dinner that night that would be a kings feast that day...

and it's not bad... why? because people have invented fish farming and they modify pumpkins to grow as big as dang car and some guy in Japan has patented vertical farming which can create 10x the amount of food per acre

and here's the big secret...things are tough because we Invent our way out of problems and We at this moment can't feed everyone But, the science that say we will be able to is there...

So stop praying all day and invent your way past these things... because Everyone can have as much as they want... there IS a whole Solar system to exploit and there really is no problem, we all can eat good and we will find energy beyond oil...

and it will almost certainly be the US or one of the other high consuming Optimistic Nations that does the job...

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Wow, seems that poeple who ask questions in America are just slapped on the mouth. No need for explanations, believe or die! Amerika is the best, just don´t ask why. We already had such an ideology back in the Third Reich under Adolf Hitler...

aaaahhh ... the "America is EVIL" thread ... surely this isn't the first of these on ATS ... I will have a little search after I write this.

Firstly I will let yall know that I am a dual AUS/US citizen with the majority of my family living in LA and Oregon.

America is not "evil".

America is very, very hypocritical and that, in my opinion, is more destructive and unproductive than something that may be "evil".

Not only that ... you can fight "evil" ... how do you fight nationalistic hypocrisy?

I understand that the American government is responsible for the decision making but the American people are responsible for voting in the government. The American people are responsible for holding their leaders to account. Therefore the American people are responsible for everything that happens in the in the name of America.

Sex is taboo or just plain bad - Use sex to sell everything
Encourage a secular state and criticises those that are not - but you have to be a Christian if you want to be President.
Talk about being a world leader - takes no initiatives and actually use power to stop initiatives from taking place.
Promote peace and justice - use war, torture and collateral damage to expand US interests.

And the list goes on and on ... it really does ... I am sure that even the most patriotic American could come up with a few of their own.

How can Americans be proud of a system that promotes so much death, destruction and hate whilst pretending to be a system of tolerance and peace?

I know that Americans are an intelligent people ... Surely you can see this hypocrisy ... can't you?

Originally posted by sonicX007
i am from the UK, and well USA to me are just plain selfish and evil, they call themsevels 'leaders of the freeworld' who the hell decided that.

i can think of loads of things wrong with the USA, here are just some:

1. they are preventing contries in the world devloping into something better, this shows they are afraid of looseing there power or grip over the world.

Yeah we make them rape all those women in darfur, we started ww2, and ww1 lol, we use propaganda to make half of Africa live in squlaor where everyone else in the world gave up "tribal living" centuries ago and your Limey Arse country doesn't own half the crap here in the states to this day right?

2. americans are so ignorant and patrotic that it does everyones head in, all they care about is there own contary.

So much for the Queens good English in your Contary, Patriotic does not = Ignorant if I was on a raft with you and there was room for one out at sea i'd push you in, because i'm me and I want to live so too bad for you. Patriotic = Win, Unpatriotic = Fail. It's really sad but simple and true... when exactly have you rooted for the French Football team mate? I'll awnser for you because i'm a rude American, Never

3. Americas independence day is soon, can anyone tell witch empire they are independant from, the British Empire. pretty much everyone on the east coast of america are decendent from people from europe, pretty much all the cities on the east coast are named after english towns.

Yeah and it still pisses you off that you got your rears handed to you by us huh? Sun set on your Empire a Century ago, get used to it... and you might want to get with our program before you speak nothing but Indian and Persian in London chum

4. the majority of technology in the america was created in Europe they like to say it was all them. for example the B2 bomber and the Nuclear bomb was created by the Nazis.

You amazing freak! The A bomb was invented by the Nazis...? what do you get your information just from this forum... get real.

5. there are many agencies in america eg CIA FBI NSA, who knows what secrets they are hideing from there own people.

All the ones we don't want anyone to know so they don't get leaked and we maintain a serious technological edge at all times on everything... that keeps me Eating my Fattening Apple Pie in my lounge chair completely safe from arse holes who sympathize with people who can't build a plow in the year 2008

6. america think there invincible, they are not. they depend on the goverment for help not themselves.

Europe is practically socialist, I have never taken a thing from this goverment, our governemnt doesnt do a damn thing for us, it shows how ignorant you are lol, lol My overnement socially is useless to me and I like it that way because I am inventive and don't need them to do anything, in fact every self complaint Americans have is that the Govt is interfereing to much... we have a work ethic here... we don't need hand outs

7. the UK hates america, they only take advantage of the good stuff like orlando and las vagas, how my english tourists do u see in washington DC.

The UK thinks they are superior and hates that Blair played second fiddle to us... but you need to, your depopulating, not our fault your too cheep to have babies... England couldn't barely fight past France... and LOL why do you come to viit at all and give us more money... gald btw you admit we have good stuff lol, and how come growing up in NY I got to "shag" so many british girls on vacation if you hate us so much?

8. a poll was conducted online who wud u want the next american president to be 75% voted obama, cos he has good ideas and it makes america look more like fair contry not a dominateing one.

And because 50% of them were British women who fantasize about screwing a big black american man because thier little boring, straight edge British boyfriends bore them in the sack... the other 25% were Gay or Bi males with the same impulse

9. the world wud be a much better place with out america wish the vikings never discoverd it.

Yeah, too bad you treated all those good people like "sh&6" and they ran for thier lives to come here, you guys couldn't even handle Ireland and Scotland lol, nice Empire... 40% Irish lol, you must hate that huh? That all the guys you pounded on for thier beliefs and accents and way of life went here then kicked your rears and then grew to out class you on the world stage... Even Australia allot of your ex criminals controls a portion of the world 10x the size of yours... We have problems? try hating everyone, even your own country men so bad you expelled them all over the world, then you went sailing trying to hurt them more only from chjina to Australia to America and India get sent packing to Occupy a space less then the Size of Florida and that orlando you dig...

Ha Ha How the mighty have fallen, too bad so sad... enjoy your slow integration into the EU you pompus self centered fruit

And you know what... no person from any country out there is anything better... Russian, you just Lost, 20 years ago they were all over eastern europe trying and failing... British Failed, Germans Failed, Anyone remember the benevolent Islamic ottoman Empire or the Persians prior... nice peaceful lot huh? How about Rome and Greece, Italy was on what side in ww2... Japan who bombed pearl harbor?

Your all just as guilty and if your nation was in position and as close as us, you'd be and were just as patriotic... so stop being full of sh and resenting us rather than being part of the game, because all peace and love bs, you all your parents or ancestors all, every last one given a shot made the same exact types of moves...

Even if we fail too... right now as history would call it, The US if you include nato, occupied territories by war, and military bases and power extension capability is the largest empire the world has ever seen...

So we aren't doing anything your country men haven't done it just frightens you that we are so close to actually pulling it off if we want to...

Putin called us "monsters" lol, soooo long since he was in charge of the KGB and all over faghanastan..

Give me a break, calling us liars and hypocrites... like you guys in England weren't proud as heck when the sun never set on your Empire...

We control a continent for all intents and purposes, and that was prior to war time...

Like we all don't know history is written by the victor anyway...

everyones a peacenic when they are powerless

btw sonicx, your little Avatar is from an American cartoon...



[edit on 23-6-2008 by mopusvindictus]

I agree with OP. Anybody ever heard of Blowback?

Does anybody recall Iraq after we destroyed it? Beautiful country with innocent people. Dead and destroyed.

Iran is also beautiful. It's one leader, and we blow up their entire country.

Oh, so we did go ahead with that plan to blow up Iran then?

Because last I heard, the nut job in office spent over a year trying to drum up support for that plan but didn't find it here. Like, anywhere. In fact, everywhere I turned somebody was calling him a liar just for trying.

If he had the support for an Iran war, it would've happened when they captured those soldiers from the British navy. That was all the excuse they would have needed, they didn't take it, so obviously we American people don't support all the war and violence that you peoples' media and governments have told you we do.

Yeah the American way of life is great... For most of them. Let's see how sustainable it is, the Yanks are about to be flushed down the tubes along with anyone else hanging off the teat of the poor fiat dollar.

Is the US 'evil'? Yeah, I guess to a lot of people out there they are. The outrageous decadant lifestyles of the middle class American have dramatically sped up the process of our oil based civilization slipping into the next dark Age, and the rest of the World have become drunk with the dream of living this same undeserved debauchery while people starve on the streets nearby.

If only people weren't so lazy, so numb to the events around them. Ron Paul should be presiding over the war crimes trial of the entire BushCo administration and then rolling out his plans to replace the doomed fractional reserve banking system before cannibalistic mobs are rolling through the glittering cities of the American landscape.

Originally posted by manson_322
Is the USA the most EVIL nation on the planet?

Hi manson_322, I just wonder where you are from, I mean in what country do you live?
I am a Dutchman and will give my honest opinion and answer to your questions and remarks as I personally see it.
But first I will say this, because I wonder that myself sometimes.

“In what state would the world of today be if that same USA didn’t interfere in the definitely terrible wrong intents “certain powers” had in some other countries in the past”?

And I say with reason “certain powers”, because those are mostly responsible for the evil things of where you speak in my opinion and not the general population.
And obviously you find those in many other countries around the globe to.

Originally posted by manson_322
All the death and destruction the USA is responsible for, millions dead,

The responsibility for all those millions of people of where you speak, who definitely are killed or died and still will be killed and die lays by so many other countries to then the USA alone.

Originally posted by manson_322
All for the sake of greed.

The overall intentions of certain coming into existence enormous powers in the USA during and after WWII become indeed an insatiable greed for power, wealth and more power and more wealth.
President Eisenhower warns the American people for those rising “powers” during his farewell address to the nation, January 1961.

"In the counsels of Government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together."

“There exists a shadowy Government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, it’s own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of the national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself.”

- Senator Daniel K. Inouye

www.disclosureproject.com...

And that counts not only for the Military Industrial Complex, but for some other powerful Government Agencies as for instance the FBI and CIA and such in my opinion to.

MEDIA CONTROL DOCUMENT - CIA Memorandum Subject: Task Force Report on Greater CIA Openness - dated December 1991 (Page 10 is missing) - June 2004 [PDF File - 4.85 Megabyte]
or Read Each page in JPG format
Note: This memo supports "Media Play" - by Steven M. Greer, M.D - most notably on page 6, which says "PAO [Public Affairs Office] now has relationships with reporters from every major wire service, newspaper, news weekly, and television network in the nation. This has helped us turn some intelligence failure stories into intelligence success stories, and it has contributed to the accuracy of countless others. In many instances, we have persuaded reporters to postpone, change, hold, or even scrap stories that could have adversely affected national security interests or jeopardized sources and methods."

www.disclosureproject.com...


So President Eisenhower’s warning was already too late and those “powers” where already in total control.

And there lies the real problem of many of those evil things you spoke.
So you can’t blame the general American people for that, just as you can’t blame the general people of other countries for that as well, they all are under grip of those powers.
And to change that in whatever country, demands bravery and very, very great offers and sacrifices of those general people who would and will try to end that.

But it is just my opinion, nothing more.

I really wonder how that is in your country.


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[edit on 23/6/08 by spacevisitor]

This thread isn't fair at all.
Who are you to judge that the US is an evil nation?
I'm not even from the US but what you're saying is totally ignorant and unfair.
Have you even visited the US?
You know what you'll find there?
Just people, like everywhere else.
People just living.
Maybe you should think about what you've said.

The US is the land of promise.
It is blessed by God.
Abundant in natural resources and citizen heroes.
Without question the most powerful adn richest.

We give freely billions of dollars to poor countires that don't so much as thank us.

Without question the most hated and envied.

Armageddon will be the US and its allies on God's side and Muslims on satan's side.

If we wanted to we could plow the entire middle East, set up a Walmart in the middle and call the 51st state EAST CAROLINA.

If we didn't have traitors like the OP living here

I wonder what other "evil" country would let you live after starting a thread like this?

Originally posted by jerico65

Global Warming? The US is probably one of the few contries that are trying to reduce emissions. Don't see China and India doing anything like that.

Didn't the US abandon the Kyoto agreement? therefore screwing it up for everyone, seeing as they have some of the highest emissions in the world?

And using the Atomic bomb in Japan. Well, I don't know how "illegal" they were, since we were the first to have them and use them, but have you spoken to anyone that was fighting in the Pacific? Sure, we could have not used the bomb and invaded Japan with ground troops. Nice bloody battle that would have been, since everyone was mobilized to fight the Allies; men, women, children, the old folks, etc.

Better to Kill hundreds of thousands of people, including 70,000 christians to 'control' the problem.

Try reading some history before you make claims like this.

Can you honestly say that the History you were taught is unbiased?