Evolutionary dynamics of male homosexuality.

reply to post by weedwhacker


Awrighty then! Sorry if I was touchy or defensive. I was trying very hard to not bring judgment into my post that I was, perhaps, expecting someone to take it in a sign of condemnation or approval of any sexual orientation and saw what wasn't there in your post. Oops on me!

I thought of this a possible new thread title, but decided it's best to just post it here.

Homosexuality is instinctive. There! I said it.

When evolutionary forces shape our path, then homosexuality seems to make sense, as the population grows to such an extent that it causes a strain on the natural environment.

reply to post by endrun


Thank you endrun. It's true that if I were straight, it would be a lot easier for me. I wouldn't have to cope with all that criticism regarding my sexuality, the anxiety whether my friends and people closed to me will accept me, the thought that I will never have a real family etc. For me being gay is often a challenge, but I do believe there is much I can learn from that. I am grateful for what I am and I feel sorry for people who can't accept anything past their own way of looking at things. There is uniqueness in this world, and there is also diversity. But there is no acceptance...

Alexandros

So it seems that our friend doctormcauley has an ally in Mrs. Iris Robinson who is a member of parliament in N. Ireland and wife of the First Minister.
In a recent BBC interview, Iris Robinson called " homosexuality disgusting, loathsome, nauseating, wicked and vile", adding: “It’s an abomination” . She also went on to say "I have a very lovely psychiatrist who works with me in my offices and his Christian background is that he tries to help homosexuals trying to turn away from what they are engaged in."
This outburst was her response to a young gay man being brutally attacked on his way home.
In a follow-up interview with the BBC Iris Robinson said, "Just as a murderer can be redemmed by th blood of christ, so can a homosexual".

new scientist
bbc
Police probe

And so it goes...

[edit on 24-6-2008 by schrodingers dog]

I believe plenty homosexuals to have a Neuronal Glitch.
Alot of the times, its a a choice made.

reply to post by ObamaMomma


That's absurd, I would have never chosen to be gay. LOL it cracks me up. Yes I chose to be beat up, ridiculed, neglected, abused, and psychologically tortured, lol... give me a break.

reply to post by ChronMan


Chron....as many have done here, they speak their beliefs.

They often don't bring facts.

You have just followed that tradition, thanks for confirming the biases.

Originally posted by reject
ok, here are just 2 very recent news articles. The 1st one is actually sympathetic to the practice (MSM: males having sex with males) but chose to remain pragmatic

Ignorance and stigma surrounding men who have sex with men and male sex workers

Anal sex is more damaging than vaginal sex,” Rinyiru explained. Njoroge explained, “Water-based lubricants are not readily available, as they are too expensive.

Vaseline or lotions are being used, which can lead to tearing of a condom and consequently a higher HIV prevalence.”

Rinyiru identified this problem in her study, where “MSWs had little knowledge about water-based lubricants.”

This ignorance about male to male sex accounted for the high prevalence of HIV in MSMs, where Njugore reported that a study found that 47% of MSMs were HIV positive. Runyiri added that “STI infections were common in MSMs,” she added.

Therefore, access to information and resources relating to MSMs should be on the agenda, Njugore encouraged.

Threat of world Aids pandemic among heterosexuals is over, report admits

One of the danger areas for the Aids strategy was among men who had sex with men. He said: " We face a bit of a crisis [in this area]. In the industrialised world transmission of HIV among men who have sex with men is not declining and in some places has increased.

"In the developing world, it has been neglected. We have only recently started looking for it and when we look, we find it. And when we examine HIV rates we find they are high.

"It is astonishing how badly we have done with men who have sex with men. It is something that is going to have to be discussed much more rigorously."

Umm...I just don't see where you're going with this. The study is correct. Water based lubricants are far far better than oils or petroleum based lubricants. There are numerous reasons for this and I could point out reasons that your little study ignored. As for the second study, are you implying by posting that any sex will lead to HIV transmission? Surely not. Are you implying that any sex between two monogamous partners leads to HIV transmission? Surely not.

For future reference: If you're going to respond to something I wrote please respond to something I wrote by supplying information and/or critique that actually has something to do with what I wrote. If I had intended to discuss HIV and STI/STD transmission I would have. You took something I said completely out of context. All sex can be risky but it doesn't always have to be. Seems like you just wanted to look smart.


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[edit on 6/24/08 by WickedStar]

www.abovetopsecret.com...
You know, in this post I presented some data, and everyone just looked the other way. What has become of ATS?

Let's try again.
Here's some data...

Twin studies and homosexuality

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Bailey and Pillard (1991): occurrence of homosexuality among brothers
52% of identical (monozygotic) twins of homosexual men were likewise homosexual
22% of fraternal (dizygotic) twins were likewise homosexual
11% of adoptive brothers of homosexual men were likewise homosexual
J.M. Bailey and R.C. Pillard, “A genetic study of male sexual orientation,” Archives of General Psychiatry, vol. 48:1089-1096, December 1991.

www.worldpolicy.org...

rebuttal?

reply to post by Sunsetspawn


Sorry,
Nice research SS!
Actually nice find on the website, I was not aware of it.
Kudos.

reply to post by Sunsetspawn


What has become of ATS?

You make rash accusation based on disagreement with your opinion and obvious persecution issues because of your homo-sexuality.

In short, no one outside your circlejerk wants to talk to you.

Nothing has become of ATS.

Might as well go eat worms?

[edit on 6-24-2008 by forsakenwayfarer]

Many seem to be straying from the topic.



Evolutionary dynamics of male homosexuality

The foundation of this paper is:

Abstract
Several lines of evidence indicate the existence of genetic factors influencing male homosexuality and bisexuality...

I'm not reading that as a debate on morality.


This is the Science Forum, let's try to keep to the specific topic please.


And NO MORE personal attacks!

[edit on 25-6-2008 by Jbird]

reply to post by forsakenwayfarer


dude..not only was that rude but it was just downright uncalled for. He presented information and the form of scientific study and statistics and no one of the opposition engaged him on it. I understand his frustration - and if you were here at ATS to deny ignorance instead of promoting your agenda maybe you'd be frustrated too.

reply to post by Sunsetspawn

rebuttal?

Would confirmation do instead?

Your statistics are correct. I believe they have been repeatedly verified. The genetic origins of homosexuality are pretty evident. Foetal development may or may not be a contributing factor. There seems to be little evidence for an environmental component.

And there is not one shred of evidence to support the contention that sexuality is a personal choice. Notice how so many people on this thread insist it is, yet not one of them can produce a shred of proof? There's a reason for that.

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"Dude" learn to mind your own business, OR learn to pay enough attention not to make yourself look stupid.
"Dude" posted, in reference to my post, with an uncalled for accusation, and did not direct any of his links at my post. Just the knee jerk racist whine because I do not agree.
So next time, don't embarass yourse

So if a person screws a watermelon, does that mean it wasn't their fault?

After all, it wasn't like they had a choice. They have a gene that makes them prone to attempted copulation with melons....

So if someone achieves orgasm with a watermelon, it could ONLY be their genes that made this happen. No choice, No free will, just a man pre-determined to rape innocent watermelons because of his genetic disposition...

So either there is a Watermelon Sex gene or there is a watermelon Sex CHOICE - and if you want a homosexual sex gene to exist , you must also concede to the existence of the watermelon sex gene, for how else could you explain a person having sex with a watermelon?
...Surely no one would CHOOSE to do such a thing

You can't have it both ways... well maybe some of you can

forsakenwayfarer you are a piece of work. Trolling threads bringing nothing to the debate other than insults and your own darkness. You don't like gay people, we get it.

doctormcauley, here's something to entertain and satisfy you and your watermelon fetish.
Comparing humans to watermelons "doctor" how insanely priceless.

reply to post by schrodingers dog


schrodinger, I think you just located the head of the nail with the hammer!

I've been wracking my brain to find the correct term, and you just provided it.

FETISH

This is the problem: Heterosexuals who choose to be 'disgusted' by homosexuals later go on, behind the closed bedroom doors, to engage in nasty, disgusting fetishes (nasty, disgusting to me....but that's my point)

I have seen straight couples into S&M, bondage....the dominatrix who humiliates the man.....or makes him have sex with a watermelon.....

The hyprocisy is rampant!! The guy who screams "I'm Straight, you Homos are going to Hell" goes home to his wife and has a foot fetish, or....you name it, we're all adults here (I assume).

Anyone understand this point?