Cops pay 3 a.m. visit to tell man his door is unlocked

reply to post by Kaifan


First off you are living in fear. Second cops are just testing peoples willingness to comply and entering peoples homes without warrants is just the first step to a total police state. These cops broke the law pure and simple. They should be held accountable for their crimes. Trespassing and Breaking and Entering.

They had no probable cause. Someone leaving their doors unlocked is not probable cause. I use to do this all the time in my old home and it was never broken into and there were no murderers who came in uninvited.

I see so many what ifs happening lately. Anything can happen that's life. You shouldn't have to be a paranoid delusional and bar your home up like a prison. These cops should be fired and tried in court end of story.

[edit on 6-21-2008 by CPYKOmega]

Originally posted by eyewitness86
There is only ONE way to deal with pigs that violate the law, and that is SHOOT THEM TO DEATH!!!

This seems to have upset you?

I wonder, if an Officer entered your home to let you know your child sneaked out the window and got hit by a car, would you "shoot them to death" before you knew why they were there?

On topic -

I don't see enough information in these articles to even express an opinion.

Garage door open.
Keys in the ignition.
Door ajar.
Nobody answers the door when they knock.
When they get inside the children refuse to go upstairs and get the Father because they are scared of him.
They may have believed the kid's were responsible and thought they were doing the Father a favor, or not.
The kids may have been sneaking outside behind their Fathers back, in the middle of the night.

At the very least it was incredibly negligent to leave the keys in the ignition of the truck with a bunch of boys having a sleepover. For all we know the kids left the doors open, put the keys in the truck and were getting ready to take a joy ride. Why do you suppose they would not answer the door or wake their Father? The Father instinct in me says, Ok kids, what are you hiding and what were you doing?

Anyone who says they would have shot or killed the Officers without knowing the whole story, scare me more than any Officer ever has. Shoot first, ask later is a dangerous world view.

My first response would have been; what happened, are the kids OK? Not pick up a gun and shoot the Cops.

Since the article did say not only was the garage door open, but the door of the house was also open (as in open, not just unlocked)... well, that is kind of strange at 3am. It said the police went up to the bedroom because the kids were afraid of waking the adults, I can understand that also.

Also, if you live in a neighborhood that the police actually patrol, well, it's clearly not a very safe neighborhood to begin with! Job well done, in my opinion.

sorry- double post- now I know how that happens

[edit on 21-6-2008 by raven bombshell]

Okay, lets just kill the cops, keep our doors unlocked and let our kids get stolen in the night. It is our right after all. WTF?

I question the sense of some people on here. The homeowner was asking for a home invasion just leaving his door unlocked and the garage open for anyone to creep in a steal those kids or kill and rape the whole household. He was lucky to have the cops there instead. If I were a cop, I would be all over that- it would be suspicious and yes I would check it out. If there had been a patrol and someone found everyone dead in that house the next day, what would everyone say about the cops then? "why didnt they check it out? Those stupid cops! nanana". They can do no right on this forum.

Thank our maker that someone cares. If my child had been one of those kids at the sleepover, I would not let her go there again knowing that she may not be safe.

VIOLATED! That man doesnt know the meaning if the word.

reply to post by raven bombshell
a little paranoid are we ???
just sit back and think of how many doors are left unlocked every night and compare that to the amount of home invasions , kids stolen, everyone in the house raped ,sodomized cut up into little chunks and fed to the murderer's ravenous pit bulls . and then sit back and think about wether or not you have locked the doors yourself .
sweet dreams ravenbombshell and dont be afraid of the dark.

reply to post by ironman433


Yeah, I know, but lets not make it easier for the nutjobs and criminals. I dont think it was that bad that the cops went in to the guys house. Leaving a note may just draw attention to the theives looking for an easy target. Some folks are just looking for a reason to shoot cops, I think.

Oh, and the guy gets the media involved after he left the house unlocked with kids in there. Not the sharpest tool.




[edit on 21-6-2008 by raven bombshell]

Originally posted by Mad_Hatter



Regardless bro, I would have shot him to death for comin in my house like that. No one comes in my house at 3am without me knowing. If they do I got a big .40 cal for em. Cop or not. All I gotta do is say it was dark and i thought someone was in my house and i felt like my life was in danger...and couldn't see well but I saw he had a gun so I shot the hell out of him......oh, but then I turned the light on and saw it was a cop...damn...my bad.

But if you knew it was a police officer and knew there was no threat, then why would you shoot them? Of course if they were not wearing uniform we could see why.

But wearing uniform and posing no threat, why would you kill them?

Yes I know it is wrong for them to come in, but shouldn't killing another human being be one of the last things you want to do?



[edit on 21-6-2008 by _Phoenix_]

reply to post by _Phoenix_

even with a uniform and flashlights the police don't usually walk into peoples homes at 3am. so if it were me i would only think that it was a home invasion by some thugs dressed in police outfits . and hence BOOM BOOM BOOM problem eliminated . that is one good reason for them not to enter a home at 3am .

reply to post by Sonya610


So since the chance of intervention is low your saying police should not try. I realize bad things can happen quite fast.

I know quite abit about Survival and am not sure how that applies here.

For the record I was a Military Policeman in the Army from 2004 to 2007. The training is not quite identical as a civilian cop, but it is close. Ive had numerous taskings from doing patrol work to doing all kinds of stuff in Afghanistan during 2005-2006. It was just one half of my time in the Army.


[edit on 21/6/08 by MikeboydUS]

There is many ways to look at a possible outcome to this.First cops should NOT be entering ones domain just because the doors were unlocked.Second suppose if the homeowner pulls a gun and the cops shoot him?That wouldn't be good.Third homeowner pulls a gun and the cops return fire and the wife gets shot?All for a locked door?Even if the door was open.I'm sorry its just STUPID for cops to enter someones house not knowing the UNKNOWN.I would be filling a lawsuit.Btw they could have called the guys house in the first place through 911 is possible rather then wake him up in his own room.STUPIDDDDD.

The homeowner should be slapped for being such an idiot.
Leaving doors open with children having a sleep over? That's idiocy
on a grand scale. Even though he's not in MPLS metro area, it's
just idiotic to leave doors unlocked. Too many criminals out there.
The cops should be facing some serious punishment, like losing their jobs,
for walking into the guy's house at 3 AM. That is insane! You don't do that!
That is flat-out illegal entry\trespassing.
We have idjuts all around on this one!

Originally posted by ZindoDoone
I can think of at least four cases where young children have been taken in the middle of the night during sleep overs and never seen again. We don't know what the cops saw when they looked for problems with an open garage door.

Are some people just not thinking? Why did they not know really hard until an adult answered, or a phone call from central dispatch, if all that fails you sit in the driveway and turn your siren on.

There is NOT and excuse from this home invasion, they took a chance on a shootout in a home with children around. I smell a rat.

I just love some of the posts on this thread. "If'n them there cops come into MY house, I'm blasting them!! Kill them and then see what happens!!"

Well, you'd go to jail, first off. That's normally known as "murder".

I don't care if they were walking into your house at 0300. They found the door unlocked, and they went into the house to tell you. Big deal. Sure beats having a thief come in. Or have the cops roll you up for endangering the kids that were there!

reply to post by SystemiK


The reason for this was very understandable if you knew the whole story and not just the 'media hype' the area is plagued with the fear of home invasion, murder and arson, a key targeting of criminals being a open garage door. They were there to protect and serve and instead the media has put fear against your fellow man into your choice...and for what purpose $ and power. And its not just this area, it happens all over the world thanks to mankind.

those who think violence solves everything will grow up soon when you experience it for yourself. sad to say

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Please research and think before you act, only then can you become a truly conscious being, instead of an reactive animal.

Gone baby Gone...

[edit on 21-6-2008 by daemonicsoul]

Originally posted by jerico65
I just love some of the posts on this thread. "If'n them there cops come into MY house, I'm blasting them!! Kill them and then see what happens!!"

Well, you'd go to jail, first off. That's normally known as "murder".

I don't care if they were walking into your house at 0300. They found the door unlocked, and they went into the house to tell you. Big deal. Sure beats having a thief come in. Or have the cops roll you up for endangering the kids that were there!

Actually its called self defense. If someone is walking around your house with a flash light at 3 AM, no permission to be in the house, with it being dark and unable to see, are you going to wait until they get close enough to possibly kill you and then be able to harm your children, or are you going to defend your property?

You never know these days and especially with it being 3 AM, cops normally do NOT just barge into a house unannounced at that time to tell you that your door is unlocked. The first thing that would pop into my mind would be burglars, and even if I saw a police uniform I would be quite suspicious because it is not unheard of for criminals to impersonate officers.

I am happy that this ended on a positive note, but it could just have easily ended in a fatal gun shot wound to either parties, and possibly a stray bullet may have hit a child . Is it worth the risk of killing innocent people, children, or yourself just to tell someone their door is unlocked?

What if he wanted it unlocked? What if he chose to keep his garage door open?

They really need to stop these no-knock entries before people get seriously hurt or killed due to them.

my oh my...what a difference in opinions here....

How do I say this carefully..... Don't you people get it ?
It doesn't matter about the garage door or the keys or the unlocked door....what matters is your right to privacy ! Your home, your family, your mistakes !

So ya think them just taking it upon themselves to make sure you didnt leave your garage door open by mistake and just walk on in is ok with you ?
And what happens if they start making this the "Right thing to do" and you start hearing about it more and more ?

You've got to be kidding me....no way...no how will this ever be right

reply to post by daemonicsoul


Not sure why you're jumpin' on me, if you had bothered to read my posts on this thread you might have noticed me DEFENDING the cops a time or two? I don't like what they did but I think they were within the law.

As I've already stated twice, my interest in the matter was the scope and objectives of the 'public service program' more than the incident itself.

Edit: Retract snarky comment.

[edit on 21-6-2008 by SystemiK]

Originally posted by daemonicsoul
reply to post by SystemiK

 

The reason for this was very understandable if you knew the whole story and not just the 'media hype' the area is plagued with the fear of home invasion, murder and arson, a key targeting of criminals being a open garage door.

That makes it even MORE dangerous for the cops to just go in unannounced!

If these people already have a fear of being burglarized in the middle of the night it would only give them more reason to grab a gun and result in them taking drastic measures due to children being in the house, and their duty to protect them. No parent ever wants to be in the situation where you have children in your house and end up finding someone walking around unwelcome with a flashlight in a area that apparently has a high crime rate.

Very, very, very stupid decision on the cops part. They could have easily called the house and asked if everything was o.k. They also could have knocked loud enough to wake the parent up. There is so many other less potentially harmful options, but not one was exercised. Again, thank god nobody was hurt and hopefully someone doesn't have to be killed for them to figure out what they are doing is wrong.

Originally posted by jerico65
I just love some of the posts on this thread. "If'n them there cops come into MY house, I'm blasting them!! Kill them and then see what happens!!"

Well, you'd go to jail, first off. That's normally known as "murder".

Why are you trying to make people that defend there own family's and homes with guns seem as some kind of gun totin redneck? Because media taught you to.

I live in the county with my wife only. If someone enters MY bedroom door at 3:00 a.m. I am pulling out my glock that is holstered to a bedpost and will be in a firing position and shooting.

Police know this. They have other methods of contact. This is a probing mission set up in small PD's and the local cops think its just a good idea from D.C. They are probing to see how we are reacting to the conditioning you are receiving from the media. If most people respond to this as "oh its for the peoples own protection" central gov knows they have reached the next hurtle.

You are FREE men and women of America. Please think. This is all spin. Now take a breath and really think.

They could have called by cell phone, central dispatch, knocked harder or turned on the overhead lights and hit the horn or siren a few times. Anything but a tactical blunder like that. Unless they are being told that when the opportunity arises to enter someones home for the homeowners protection.

They are gaging the publics outrage now. Wake up please...