If Barak Obama "Scares You", you're a wimp

Originally posted by slackerwire
How about his socialist policies and his anti-liberty ideas?

That scary enough?

Anti liberty ideas... VAGUE

Originally posted by EverythingYouDespise
reply to post by Exmar

 

I don't think anyone (besides the Jesus freaks and nutjobs who think he's the "anti-Christ) is afraid of the man, but electing Obama would definitely be disastrous for Americans - especially since the Democrats will control Congress for at least the first two years of the next presidents' term and they'll be able to rush through any whacko legislation they can think of.

Whacko!!! Please, what do you mean?

Jamie 83 seems to be obsessed...

Originally posted by EverythingYouDespise
reply to post by Exmar

 

, terrorist-befriending, and definitely a threat to national security.

sense who believe in the United States Constitution. If you vote for him for any other reason, you're either delusional, irresponsible, idealistic, anti-American, racist or just plain stupid.

[edit on 24-6-2008 by EverythingYouDespise]

Terrorist befriending??? Proof? Or do you mean imprisoning people with any recourse?. Like Hitler, Stalin and the Japanese practiced during WWII.

A wise man might think that people going nuts on the gas stations is national security issue...?---maybe a total economic collapse due to Bush's fine leadership style could be even more dangerous?

How would you like millions of unhappy peasants running around looking for food and blood? Would the free marketeers come back for you and take you with them to Bali???
I'm sure they might drop some of the local kids a couple of Mars bar ( 2nd tier tax write off !). We keep up this one sided, rich call all the shots race and you will need to buy a couple more acres so you can store all the rounds you are gonna need!

Finally it is constitutional to hold an american citizen indefinitely with out filling charges?
In effect any American citizen can be detained indefinitely, without access to council if the president (one man) deems it so!(national security for you) +( in direct conflict with the founding fathers vision!)
And you have the nerve to make such an argument, when it has been done by the right wings such as yourself! If these rule stand maybe Obama might consider you an enemy combatant after you trip some words during your hate filled phone conversations to David Duke ??? the Cubans will like a red lechon like you,,,if you ever escape...

America does not need to act like a bunch of fascists to be strong- The first step to fascism is blind patriotism! Hate just to hate- love the companies and F%^k the citizens, that is your mentality!

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Originally posted by weedwhacker
He is an idiot. He keeps changing his stance, whichever way the political wind may blow.......

I KNOW you must be talking about Obama ....
Obama Free Trade Flip Flops

Originally posted by maybereal11
CFR? Is Obama a fellow of the Council on Foriegn Relations?

YES.
here is the info.

Edited IMMEDIATELY to add the website.


[edit on 6/25/2008 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by mental modulator
Jamie 83 seems to be obsessed...

He/she has Lou Dobbs as a mentor -

"I have to tell you Senator Obama: you’ve just become my hobby. You are a dangerous, illogical, inaccurate, and, I think soulless, pandering fool."

- Lou Dobbs 2008-05-27

Originally posted by Exmar
Your Kool-aide comment is the epitemy of the mindless dribble repeated by Republicans.

No, little man. The koolaide comment is used by people of ALL political leanings at this site. And it definatley applys to you. Grow up and deal with it. (and not that it's any of your business, but I'm not voting for McCain in November)

Valid questions

No. Off topic.

That you wish to conceal those positions says alot about you.

Wrong. (again). And the fact that you are again wrong 'says alot about you'. (to use your words) Go back and re-read the ATS rules. And next time, try to stay on topic.

I seem to be doing alright on posting so far.

You aren't.

First of all, your link doesn't work. You missed the "H" in http when you copied the link.

So grow up and put the 'h' in and read it.
Gawd .. how old are you?

if you read your own link without bias,

Back atchya. Read the ENTIRE law - without your pro-Obama bias.

Who's junior now?

You are kiddo.

don't try to intentionally decieve people with amatuer lies.

'amatuer'? funny little guy.

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[edit on 6/25/2008 by FlyersFan]

When in the hell have I been required to like someone? I have never had to explain my reasons to vote for any particular candidate, or against a particular candidate to anyone but a liberal. Why the hell should I have to explain to you why I dislike Obama? Is it because he's black? I have to vote for him because he's black? Is that it? If I don't, I'm racist? Buzz off! I'll vote for who I want, and I don't have to explain myself to you!

Well, I have to say that honestly I haven't read through this entire thread in full. I felt that I had read enough of the OP's slanted view of Republicans to garner my opinion of things. Anyone who knows me around here will know that I am an American first, a Conservative second, and a Republican (possibly) third, but I a have almost no common ground with most liberals in this country. As others have no doubt said in this thread, it is not Barack Obama himself who scares me, it is his radical and extremely liberal policies. I'm not afraid of him because of his middle name, or because he won't wear a pin. I'm afraid of him because of what he would do to health care, national defense, and our energy situation. Granted I don't believe McCain will do much to improve any of those areas, but I don't think he would destroy them like Obama would.

Your thread tries to make assumptions about Republicans and how we act and feel. I think however all you have done with this is reaffirm peoples opinions of how liberals act and think about this country.

Not that it needed reaffirming.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by weedwhacker
He is an idiot. He keeps changing his stance, whichever way the political wind may blow.......

I KNOW you must be talking about Obama ....
Obama Free Trade Flip Flops

Originally posted by maybereal11
CFR? Is Obama a fellow of the Council on Foriegn Relations?

YES.
here is the info.

Edited IMMEDIATELY to add the website.


[edit on 6/25/2008 by FlyersFan]

** WRONG AGAIN. That is a link to the CFR candidate profiles, it doesn't mean he is a CFR Fellow. Here is the same CFR site with John McCain

www.cfr.org...

They also have a page for Ron Paul, Hilary Clinton etc...

Really. Can we at least make a small effort to be accurate and truthful before tossing this BS out there.

reply to post by Exmar


Of course you get raged over Republicans, that is the liberal stance, besides social issues at home and leaving Iraq you couldnt pin down a liberal democrat into an awnser or opinion of their own if you payed them

By the way I like the idea of protecting America from the evil in the world?

1. I would like to eliminate Terrorism, do you have a problem with that. I served over 12 years serving my country, and have done Homeland Security Tours both at home and abroad
2. Osama should be eliminated, and Al Zawahiri and any of those ding dongs
3. It is not ok to torture people, we should follow the Geneva Convention guidelines, and by the way I am tired of hearing libs talk about the importance of peoples lives vs the importance of Americans lives; We must support the security of our State, our families and our own lives. If you dont feel your life is that important, or the lives of your family that is up to you
4. Leaving Iraq is a complicated process and it will be a difficult situation for anyone who takes office. By the way if you heard Barack talking about General Petraeus' report, he never once spoke of any plans or ideas that he may have had regarding withdrawal. No artificial timetable, no mention of a Complete, Partial, rear guard, fall back or any type of exit strategy that he might have (Of course neither did MCcain) all he could sya is that he opposed the war in the first place and that his plan was not to bring troops home but to transfer them to Afghanistan to continue attacking Al Qaeda and your buddy Osama
5. I am not for bombing Iran and killing thousands of innocent people, I think we should play it out and attempt talks; If not through us then through another agent of the world community, but we should never take it off the table until Ahmadnijads idiotic statements stop. Ahmadnijad is going to sit there and say they want nuclear power as an energy source but in the same speech threaten Israel of being wiped off the face of the map. Now how do you think he intends on doing that? I think we should take him seriously, that is what he wants! Now if we should have the need to bomb Iran, (which I thin Israel would do before we got a chance) It is not going to be some carpet bombing, killing thousands of innocent people. It will be on sight bombing, which means against targets of industry that support stopping the life threatening activity, which by the way is being offered by their own President not American imagination. You need to wake up there.
6. I am not even going to address the Gay Marriage issue, I dont think that is what is really about anyway. The issue is it wont stop at gay marriage, the gay elitists have an agenda to promote their lifestyles in schools and people do not want their children thinking its ok. So gay people that just want to do their thing and be left alone and have marital rights in a legal status, can blame the gay elitist culture for their agenda; that is really what is holding the States back from approving legislation which include gay marriage.
7. I am pro life as well and I am not against social reforms to help this issue in the manner of adoption and placement, what I am against is paying planned parent hood for abortions. By the way responsibility for people that want to have sex and make babies is not my responsibility, Do I need to go out and buy you some condoms tonight or are you going to be able to handle that yourself. Oh you are going to go screw up, well dont worry I will pay for your mistakes, like I dont as a individual have to deal with all the mistakes I make. Will you help me? No!

I have faced real danger serving my Country and now everyday now serving my community, but I am sure you will challenge that somehow. People should not be scared of Obama, or even what he is saying. What they should be scared of is his voting record, the people he surrounds himself with and his inability to give any clear evidence or thought about how he plans to do the things he says he is going to do and by the way those of us who say he is not like the people he surrounds himself with here is a quote from Obama "Americans from small economically hard pressed towns turn inward, become bitter and cling to their guns or their religious faith during tough times, rather than look to Washington for leadership." Whaaaat People from economically hardpressed towns turn inward because that is where they get their support, and as far as attacking Guns and Religious faith, I am glad to see that a man running for President; A man that will be Sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution is already attacking the concepts in which it holds, perhaps we could start his title impeachment already for Violation of Presidential oath. You dont attack the very people who will be making up over a third of your vote. Thats not smart, and dont say that was taking out of context, he said it and it is plain for everyone to see you can skip the spin.

I’m not buying your little act either, no I am not objective. I am Pro-Constitution, Pro American.... I do sway a little on the social issue, health care, foreign policy but no one is a pure Republican or Democrat. By the way the other candidate is not much better IMO but at least we know what he stands for and I dont vote my heart or my paycheck, I vote for my Country

reply to post by FlyersFan

No, little man. The koolaide comment is used by people of ALL political leanings at this site. And it definatley applys to you.

So grow up and put the 'h' in and read it.
Gawd .. how old are you?

You are kiddo.

'amatuer'? funny little guy.

I notice you're getting more desperate in your name calling. You didn't even bother including any supporting facts or arguments in this post.

I smell your fear.

Back atchya. Read the ENTIRE law - without your pro-Obama bias.

Here is the correct link to the law. Even though I pointed out the error on your link, you still haven't edited it. Why not? Afraid of people reading the TRUTH themselves? I leave the interpretation to the readers.

Again, no charges from the Bush appointed Attorney General should indicate to you that you just got caught up in wishful thinking on Obama's Seal.

And next time, try to stay on topic.

It would be easier for me to stay on topic if I didn't have to respond to your off topic lies about Obama's Seal.

I created the topic, I'm the OP. Who are you to tell me what I can and can't say on a thread I created?

Go back and re-read the ATS rules.

If you think Obama's Seal is illegal, your not the authority on Laws and Rules around here. What your hoping for is censorship because you don't like the message. People like you dish it out but scream foul when someone like me dishes it back. Next you'll be saying I'm Unpatriotic or I'm emboldening the terrorists. (those rank up there with your Kool-aide comment)

I spent 4 years in the Marines in a combat job (no office pogue), boxed since high school, trained in MMA for 6 years. I'm self-employed and successful. Call me what you want, I don't give a flyers ****.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by Exmar]

reply to post by nyk537

I'm afraid of him because of what he would do to health care, national defense, and our energy situation.

Under a Bush and a Republican Congress, our health care system is in shambles, you're going to turn to them to fix it?
McCain and Obama are not far apart from each other on Energy. Cap and trade is the biggest scam in the world and they both support it.

My deciding factor is Defense. Being an Ex-Marine, I stay on top of current events in the world. Right now it's not even about staying or leaving in Iraq. I personally think it's a cesspool and we shouldn't waste any more time there than we have to.

It's about Iran and if you think we should strike them.
Iran, Syria mutual defense treaty
Venezuela Pledges defense of Iran's nuclear program
Axis of Unity and it's implications with Cuba, Bolivia and Nicaragua

Your thread tries to make assumptions about Republicans and how we act and feel. I think however all you have done with this is reaffirm peoples opinions of how liberals act and think about this country.

I don't try to make assumptions about Republicans. I was one, they've earned it. Just like the Democrats earned "Tax and Spend Democrat".
Please don't give Liberals credit for my offensiveness. My despise for Republicans can only be compared to an ex-smokers despise for the smell of smoke.

By the way, Bush isn't a Republican. He's for himself and his cronnies.
McCain isn't a Republican either. As liberal as he has been, he has to run against the "Most Liberal Senator in Congress". He is a ignorant war monger though.

reply to post by birchtree


Thank you for your post, I can see it took some time and was well thought out.

A few things:

Of course you get raged over Republicans, that is the liberal stance, besides social issues at home and leaving Iraq you couldnt pin down a liberal democrat into an awnser or opinion of their own if you payed them

Most people in this thread have assumed I'm a liberal but, in fact, I am not. I guess that is why I manage to express my opinion just fine.

I agree with most of your answers except #7 (Pro Life). I've got no problem disagreeing with you on that. What I have a problem with is the Religious Right crowd who seem to be Pro Life yet, usually for the death penalty and killing the terrorists dead.

I'm all about killing those who need it but, being an Ex-Marine and all, I don't act all morally superior to people either.

What we did for fun on our off time would give most people PTSD, let alone what we did when we were operating.

Thing is, I don't trust the people calling the shots. Are we going to believe them that we have to strike Iran like we had to invade Iraq? You're right, get Bin Laden and the terrorists. But, were are they putting all their effort and resources? The same failed intelligence ageny for Iraq is providing inteligence for Iran and will have the same result.

An airstrike on Iran will not eliminate the program Iran Airstrike FeasabilityWe have no effective diplomacy and are just relying on our threat of a strike as a negotiating tool. This is a losing strategy. Despite what everyone thinks, I'm all for protecting us. I'm about winning and the current strategy is a loser.

McCain has no appreciation for using "Soft Power" to win and is to quick to look for an airstrike solution. No suprise, he is an ex-pilot. I never did like pilots, can't stand them (despise them even). Arrogant, think they're above everything, push a button/back by happy hour. I used to beat them down at Kadena whenever we weren't in the field....Memories.

Anyways, appreciated your post. I respect people who put their views out there. I don't mind attacks, you can tell by the original post that I went looking for it!

I'm after the Sean Hannity types who drape themselves in the American flag, cloak their agenda behind patriotism, act like they're the authorities on national defense (even though they never served themselves) and cry foul when their own venom is used against them.


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Exmar, while we disagree about the candidates, I see you genuinely are concerned about real issues and I do not consider you a nut!

Very much to the contrary, i agree with you frequently on what is wrong and what needs attention.

I see you as pinwheeling in a vortex of issues, trying to squeeze the impossible out of campaign promises.

I think that perhaps you have bought into scare tactics. So that leaves you with apparently no satisfactory candidate to choose. I have never had a candidate which I considered an unqualified good choice. Most bother me greatly. It seems always to be trying to choose the lesser of two evils.

Sometimes you need to find a single elemental issue and go with that, since you cannot save the world from all it's flaws and evils in one vote.

I do not wish to live in a perpetual war economy!
That is my defining issue.

I hope you find some peace in this concept of simplification, because this whole process is obviously painful and abhorant to you.

If you find it in your heart to search out a single overriding and fundimental topic, you will be better off in the sense that you will be able to find some small sense of effectiveness in voting.

I am not suggesting that you simply pick up my defining issue. You need to find what matters to you. It at least makes the choosing possible, even if flawed and oversimplified.

What makes choosing worse is that they are politicians, and their proposed positions are rarely realized once in office. So you need to judge with your heart who will support your most cherished position. Sometimes in contradiction to what is advertised.

reply to post by Exmar


I can't believe you have any war experience. I know that living my life in truth is a very important factor in the bolstering of my identity.. an identity founded in the forge of battle.
It takes a certain type of simpleton to believe that a 'life' supported by lies actually has necessary and valid contributions to the process of 'understanding'.

As for your comments on implied failure of intelligence, you should know that the value of the word is not the sole possession of any single entity OR organization..

I would not assume any knowledge of the value of ANY intelligence with such simple castings.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by a_meems]

reply to post by a_meems

I can't believe you have any war experience. I know that living my life in truth is a very important factor in the bolstering of my identity.. an identity founded in the forge of battle.

You're right, I have no "War Experience", never said I did. Just operation "Restore Hope". It was a relief mission. A little back story about Somalia. Everyone knows the famous BlackHawk Down story but, let me tell you something you won't read on Wikipedia.

It was far worse than it should have been because when the I MEF (Marines) left they took their armor with them. The Army Airborne and SF forces did not have armor thus, no way to extricate the downed soldiers. Only Humvees and supply trucks.
Did you know they had to use Pakistani Armor to extricate them?
Did you know we left early because Marines were too "Heavy Handed" for the relief mission?

I stomped a kid not more than 9 or 10 years old in the chest because he tried to rip my canteen off my side on patrol. You had to do that sometimes later on, they'd send kids to run up to Soldiers and Marines to rip gear off us. You don't want little rugrats pulling on grenade pouches or sidearms. They saw our respect for life as our weakness. Life's cheap there. You had to be harsher when their awe of us wore off.

Do I know everything cause I was there? No. Does everyone that was there have the same opinion? No. Does it matter that I was even there? No.

an identity founded in the forge of battle.

Poetic, guess I wasn't as thoughtful as you. Where'd you fight Valley Forge?

As for your comments on implied failure of intelligence, you should know that the value of the word is not the sole possession of any single entity OR organization..

Huh?
Implied failure of intelligence? No, it WAS a failure or cherry picked.
It is the same organization today except with more political appointees and less real experts.

I would not assume any knowledge of the value of ANY intelligence with such simple castings.

What does that mean? Vague philosophical musings of my intellectual superior I guess. Me, being a simpleton, thought it was un-substantive dribble.

Yet again, someone who has put me in my humble place.

OP here

Time to turn back on subject.

"Barack Obama Scares Me" is used by the more hardcore Replicans to instill fear of the unknown into undecided voters.

There is a persistent, condescending attitude towards Obama supporters.
It is no accident that I’ve been called “Junior”, “Kiddo”, “Little Man”, etc. They could have chosen any derogatory names but, the choices of words are used to imply youth and inexperience.

Barack Obama supporters tend to be younger and more educated than McCain's supporters. What McCain supporters lack in education they compensate for in "Life Experience". it is this Life Experience that makes them think that despite the education of Barack Obama supporters, that they themselves are right. What they (Republicans) don't know is that they are unwitting pawns in a sophisticated propaganda campaign.

This campaign uses fear of the unknown, fear of terrorism/national security, fear of taxes and fear of socialism to promote a party which has done more to hurt this country in 7 years than all of the politicians combined in the last 100 years.

Do the following quotes apply?

Propaganda must label events and people with distinctive phrases or slogans.
Propaganda to the home front must create an optimum anxiety level.
Goebbels

"...it is always a simple matter to
drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the
country to danger. It works the same in any country."
Hermann Goering

"The essence of propaganda consists in winning people over to an idea so sincerely, so vitally, that in the end they succumb to it utterly and can never escape from it." Goebbels

Man only honors what he conquers or defends.
Goebbels

At night I sit in my chamber and read the bible. Far in the distance roars the sea. Then I lie down and think for a long time about the calm and pale man from Nazareth.

These quotes are from Nazi propagandists. This propaganda theory is being used as we speak by the new Tyrants, “Neo-Cons”, to achieve their agenda. The Republican Party has been hijacked by this new tyranny and to that extent is my reason for the dislike of Republicans at the moment. I made my break from them. I will not be apart of it and will fight against it.

What I find fascinatingly disturbing is how the Jewish community may seem to be falling for a propaganda campaign that was originally used and perfected against them. By that I mean what appears to be a favoring of McCain over Obama over the supposed defense of Israel.

It is tragically ironic that the Nazi propaganda machine will again lead to the deaths of so many Jews. This time through the U.S. attacking Iran, resulting in attacks against Israel by Iran and Syria. In the greatest and most diabolical twist of all, Muslims will be blamed for their demise instead of those who truly caused it.

Before the the supposed "Barack scares me" campaign was even known to me, I would listen to his speeches and realize that he actually, as of today's date, has said as close to nothing as one can say while still moving their lips and making sounds. He has a deep and resonate voice and a posture that seems to speak powerful non-verbal cues, but once you tune that out you realize he is, at least at this juncture, an empty suit.

My conclusion was, no surprise here, that he scares me.

He scares me because the color of his skin seems to be serving not only as an insulation against hard questioning (out of fear of being labeled a bigot or a racist) but also as a powerful attractant for those who may still bear hidden guilt, rightly or wrongly held, for the state of black America. This could potentially lead to so much 'benefit of the doubt' extended to Obama that reason gets left out of the equation of assessing him as a viable leader of the free world.

He scares me because the press has chosen both of these candidates. We basically have the most liberal democrat running against, perhaps, the most liberal republican. All of this can be made to hinge on that small portion of the electorate that are useful idiots. Those who know more about Oprah and Dr. Phil than they know about 550 metric tons of yellow cake uranium ore being recovered from Iraq 3.5 weeks ago. They are easily swayed by visuals, just the kind of thing that Obama has in abundance. Just the kind of things McCain exhibits a laughable paucity. The media has demonstrated their preference for democratic candidates by the revelation of public records that show that their campaign contributions run FIFTEEN to ONE in favor of Obama over McCain. If they are able to slant the news enough to swing 4-5 percentage points then Obama wins. They know this. They are actively engaged in the process as I type.

Oh, just curious... How many news outlets reported that fact that 550 metric tons of yellow cake uranium ore were finally removed from Iraq about three weeks ago? O told a friend of mine this news a week ago and he called me a liar until I showed him the story on MSNBC's website... back to the main programming -

What scares me about Obama is the fact that he could very well get a free ride to the White House while bypassing the kind of scrutiny that just about any other candidate would and SHOULD receive. The MSM is not going to encourage a rational discourse on his qualifications. I am predicting, here and now, that the debates this year will reach a new low in both substance and in the format in which they are conducted. They will give Obama a pass on every tough question. They will continue to worship Obama and heap praise and adulation on him, all the while hoping that those who look deeper remain in the minority.

To me, this is a legitimate fear, born not out of ignorance nor prejudice, but out of a solid knowledge of human nature and 51 years of experience. The far left may label me a pinhead or whatever they want. I want to encourage anyone who might read my post to consider the nature of the responses as evidence that the left must resort to personal attacks rather than reasoned thought. After you have made your observations, ask yourself if these are the kinds of people you really want running this country.

Jim