CHALLENGE: Find 2+ pieces of United Airline debris at Shanksville

My first post Anyways, this is the only thread that mentions FBI agent William Crowley or Bill Crowley. I'll list both names so the search engine can find it. I've spent 8 hours trying to get to the bottom of this, i'm confused still.

This CNN article says "95 percent of the plane was recovered"
archives.cnn.com...

This Pittsburgh News says "95 percent of the plane found at the site has been turned over to United Airlines"
www.thepittsburghchannel.com...

There's a big difference in those 2 statements that needs to be made clear in this thread. Which one is correct?
-Also, why did they put the remains of the plane under Iron Mountain?
-If the Pittsburgh News article is true, then what percent of the plane did they find total?
-If CNN's is correct why don't they attempt to put it back together, so what if the pieces are small.

You ppl are so busy flaming you're overlooking important info >

Originally posted by Pipebomb24875
My first post

Anyways, this is the only thread that mentions FBI agent William Crowley or Bill Crowley. I'll list both names so the search engine can find it. I've spent 8 hours trying to get to the bottom of this, i'm confused still.

This CNN article says "95 percent of the plane was recovered"
archives.cnn.com...

This Pittsburgh News says "95 percent of the plane found at the site has been turned over to United Airlines"
www.thepittsburghchannel.com...

There's a big difference in those 2 statements that needs to be made clear in this thread. Which one is correct?
-Also, why did they put the remains of the plane under Iron Mountain?
-If the Pittsburgh News article is true, then what percent of the plane did they find total?
-If CNN's is correct why don't they attempt to put it back together, so what if the pieces are small.

You ppl are so busy flaming you're overlooking important info ><

Do you really not understand what they are saying or are you just trying to create a controversy for its own sake? There is no difference in the two statements to anyone who understands American English. None. 95% of the plane was recovered and turned over to the owner and the owner subsequently sent them for storage at commercial records storages site.

Re-constructing the craft would serve no purpose and would cost millions of dollars so it probably won't happen unless somebody volunteers to do it for some strange reason.

reply to post by Pipebomb24875


What is problem with statement that "95% of sircraft was recovered"

Search crews spent weeks literally on hands and knees combing the scene
for aircraft debris and human remains

10 large bins were filled with aircraft debris recovered from the scene

At the same time, the high winds that buffeted the area over the last few days have dislodged additional airplane parts – seat cushions, wiring, carpet fragments and pieces of metal – from trees near the crash site. "It's all aircraft parts, no human remains," Miller said. "We've collected them in 10 recycling bin-sized containers and eventually we'll turn them all over to United." –Wallace Miller

Picture of bin with debris

Errant shards of the aircraft can still be found there–twisted plates of the machine's metal skin and swatches of patterned seat covers–but it's illegal to keep them. They're still considered evidence, and the area a crime scene, "until they catch [Osama] bin Laden," say many local police officers.

The debris after being examined and cataloged by FBI/NTSB was turned over to the owner - UNITED Airlines

As for Iron Mountain - what was stored there was not crash debris, but
items left at scene by visitors. National Park Service is storing them to be
used for memorials and museums.

Iron Mountain is not a government facility - it is a private company which
rents storage, usually in abandoned mines, to store records and other
valuable item in climiate controlled environment.

Loons seem to think that Flight 93 is being stored there to hide it from
public.

In the same room, there are more than 400 boxes of memorabilia that mourners left at the crash site of Flight 93, which went down in Somerset County on Sept. 11, 2001. The boxes are filled with items, including gloves, sports equipment and toys, all left by people in the past four years. A papier-mache U.S. flag created by a middle school in Little Rock, Ark., sits in a corner, wrapped in plastic to prevent fading. In the middle of two large shelves filled with boxes lies a bench with engravings from visitors to the crash site. Messages are inscribed all over the bench, paying respect to those lost in the tragedy.

XI. Tribute and Object Collection Collecting, sorting, cleaning, maintaining, cataloguing, accessioning, and storing the tributes left at the temporary memorial continues to be a major focus for our Curator. The tributes collected to date number well over 25,000. The following was accomplished this past year with the assistance of two part-time staff hired by the Families of Flight 93 in cooperation with the NPS, and by SCA interns: • 56 new groups of objects accessioned • 56 new groups of objects accessioned • 2,150 objects cataloged • 3,877 records added to the cataloging database • 54 boxes of objects sent to remote long-term storage at Iron Mountain

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by im_being_censored
According to officials, 95% of United Airlines Flight 93 was recovered at Shanksville.

Actually according to officials 95 percent of the plane found at the site was handed over to United.

At a news conference, FBI agent Bill Crowley said that the field near Shanksville, Somerset County, has been turned over to the county coroner and that 95 percent of the plane found at the site has been turned over to United Airlines.

www.thepittsburghchannel.com...

I keep having to point out the misunderstanding of the debunkers that this does not mean that 95 percent of the entire plane was found. Just 95 percent of what was actually found was handed over.

If they recover 1 pound and handed over .95 pounds then they can also say that 95 percent of the plane that was found was handed over to United.

Like I said in another thread. It's called Orwellian speak used to confuse the gullible. Not you OP.

Edit: I read the link in the OP. It's interesting that they say different. I'd like to see the original quote from Bill Crowly.

[edit on 6/21/2008 by Griff]

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by Griff

 

Griff...

Good point. I am one that thought 95% of the plane was recovered by that statement.

BUT... if you look at a CNN article:

SHANKSVILLE, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- The FBI announced Monday that its investigation of the site where a hijacked jet slammed into a field here is complete and that 95 percent of the plane was recovered.

archives.cnn.com...

We need to find the exact quote. I will be looking!

Again... nice catch!

:TY:

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by im_being_censored

 

There are two reports I found. One stating the 95% of the debris was sent to UA. Another stated that 95% of the plane was recovered.

IF anyone can find the actual quote from the FBI agen in charge...that will settle it.

So the Pittsburgh article is saying 95% of the 95% recovered was sent to UA, is that correct? I'm not trying to stir controversy, just looking for the facts.

This Komo 4 News clip about Iron Mountain says "There are dark secrets in the mountain too. The charred evidence from United flight 93 brought down by terroists on 9/11 is heavily guarded in one of the underground vaults"
www.youtube.com...

Saying i don't understand English, or calling me a loon is unnecessary.

I remember reading an article somewhere and they were interviewing the guy who made that movie about the Shanksville plane and he said that when he was researching the movie a lot of things didn't add up so they had to improvise a lot of things to make it fit in with the government version.

I bet he's gonna feel such a fool when the findings from the new investigation are published!

Originally posted by Mark_Amy
I remember reading an article somewhere and they were interviewing the guy who made that movie about the Shanksville plane and he said that when he was researching the movie a lot of things didn't add up so they had to improvise a lot of things to make it fit in with the government version.

I bet he's gonna feel such a fool when the findings from the new investigation are published!

I remember something like that but it may have been a radio interview, however, it was not the overall story but the narrative of exactly what happened on the plane. We will never know for sure exactly the acts and sequence of acts during that period.

Originally posted by thedman
What is problem with statement that "95% of sircraft was recovered"

Where is it?

10 large bins were filled with aircraft debris recovered from the scene

"We've collected them in 10 recycling bin-sized containers and eventually we'll turn them all over to United." –Wallace Miller

Picture of bin with debris

You need to educate yourself on the difference between small recycle bin-sized containers and huge dumpsters!

As for Iron Mountain - what was stored there was not crash debris, but items left at scene by visitors. National Park Service is storing them to be used for memorials and museums.

Error number 2. The news clip specifically says "the charred evidence of Flight 93," or are you trying to say visitors left charred evidence at the memorial?

Loons seem to think that Flight 93 is being stored there to hide it from public.

The only loons are the ones who blindly believe 95% of a 757 was recovered without ever seeing 95% of a 757.

reply to post by ATH911


Just out of curiosity - have you ever written a letter to United and asked where the remains of the Flight 93 are? I think that simple little research avenue would probably clear a lot of this up, don't you? Wouldn't take a mountain of effort - I would do it, but since you are so, so, so incredulous about everything I would prefer to have you handle it directly.

reply to post by hooper

I'll let you follow through with your own suggestions.

By the way, did you pass this challenge? I couldn't.

Originally posted by ATH911
reply to post by hooper

 

I'll let you follow through with your own suggestions.

By the way, did you pass this challenge? I couldn't.

Sorry, unless you can prove otherwise, the challenge has been met with flying colors. Prove everyone wrong that is claiming the wreckage at Shanksville came from Flight 93.

Originally posted by ATH911

Originally posted by thedman
What is problem with statement that "95% of sircraft was recovered"

Where is it?

10 large bins were filled with aircraft debris recovered from the scene

"We've collected them in 10 recycling bin-sized containers and eventually we'll turn them all over to United." –Wallace Miller

Picture of bin with debris

You need to educate yourself on the difference between small recycle bin-sized containers and huge dumpsters!

As for Iron Mountain - what was stored there was not crash debris, but items left at scene by visitors. National Park Service is storing them to be used for memorials and museums.

Error number 2. The news clip specifically says "the charred evidence of Flight 93," or are you trying to say visitors left charred evidence at the memorial?

Loons seem to think that Flight 93 is being stored there to hide it from public.

The only loons are the ones who blindly believe 95% of a 757 was recovered without ever seeing 95% of a 757.

I look foward to thedmans counter-response to these points.

Originally posted by thedman

The debris after being examined and cataloged by FBI/NTSB was turned over to the owner - UNITED Airlines

As for Iron Mountain - what was stored there was not crash debris, but
items left at scene by visitors. National Park Service is storing them to be
used for memorials and museums.

Iron Mountain is not a government facility - it is a private company which
rents storage, usually in abandoned mines, to store records and other
valuable item in climiate controlled environment.

Loons seem to think that Flight 93 is being stored there to hide it from
public.

wait... so is this the same facility you're talking about?

en.wikipedia.org...

the one that is known for doing this?:

"Iron Mountain Inc NYSE: IRM, founded in 1951, is a company whose headquarters are located in Boston, Massachusetts. It offers records management, information destruction and data backup services to more than 120,000 customers "

One of their customers is BILL GATES?

Nothing unusual about locking up "all" that alleged debris and never allowing any access? or any detailed photographic evidence to be released?

Originally posted by Orion7911

Originally posted by thedman

The debris after being examined and cataloged by FBI/NTSB was turned over to the owner - UNITED Airlines

As for Iron Mountain - what was stored there was not crash debris, but
items left at scene by visitors. National Park Service is storing them to be
used for memorials and museums.

Iron Mountain is not a government facility - it is a private company which
rents storage, usually in abandoned mines, to store records and other
valuable item in climiate controlled environment.

Loons seem to think that Flight 93 is being stored there to hide it from
public.

wait... so is this the same facility you're talking about?

en.wikipedia.org...

the one that is known for doing this?:

"Iron Mountain Inc NYSE: IRM, founded in 1951, is a company whose headquarters are located in Boston, Massachusetts. It offers records management, information destruction and data backup services to more than 120,000 customers "

One of their customers is BILL GATES?

Nothing unusual about locking up "all" that alleged debris and never allowing any access? or any detailed photographic evidence to be released?

So tell me, what do you think they (United) should do with it? It is in a environmentally controlled storage area, do you think they should put it on display? Allow unfettered access? Sell tickets to see it? Have you ever asked United if you can see it?

Originally posted by hooper
Sorry, unless you can prove otherwise, the challenge has been met with flying colors.

Uuuuh, I scrolled back through the pages and didn't see any photos posted of identifiable United debris as the OP says, other than the one the OP posted. So it looks more like an epic fail on meeting the OP's challenge.

reply to post by hooper

How many other crashed planes from United, or any other carrier for that matter, is stored in the HIGH SECURITY facility of Iron Mountain?

Originally posted by ATH911

Originally posted by hooper
Sorry, unless you can prove otherwise, the challenge has been met with flying colors.

Uuuuh, I scrolled back through the pages and didn't see any photos posted of identifiable United debris as the OP says, other than the one the OP posted. So it looks more like an epic fail on meeting the OP's challenge.

Sorry, all those pieces of the plane have been identified as part of the plane that flew flight 93. Just because they were not identified by you personally, does not mean they were not identified.

Originally posted by ATH911
reply to post by hooper

 

How many other crashed planes from United, or any other carrier for that matter, is stored in the HIGH SECURITY facility of Iron Mountain?

Why? What would you think they should do with the material?

Originally posted by hooper
Sorry, all those pieces of the plane have been identified as part of the plane that flew flight 93.

Source?

And you are side skirting the OP's challenge. Here's what it's about:

"Find at least ONE MORE piece of plane debris from the Shanksville scene that can be identified as coming from a United Airlines plane."


I couldn't meet the challenge. Can you?

Originally posted by hooper
Why? What would you think they should do with the material?

Just wondering if it's protocol for Airline carriers to keep their crashed planes stored at super high security facilities like Iron Mountain. If it's rare that they do, or this is a first time, then wouldn't you agree this is evidence that there was some kind of government conspiracy involving Flight 93, because why the need to keep it's aftermath evidence at a super high security facility? What are they hiding?

[edit on 1-10-2009 by ATH911]

Originally posted by ATH911

Originally posted by hooper
Sorry, all those pieces of the plane have been identified as part of the plane that flew flight 93.

Source?

And you are side skirting the OP's challenge. Here's what it's about:

"Find at least ONE MORE piece of plane debris from the Shanksville scene that can be identified as coming from a United Airlines plane."


I couldn't meet the challenge. Can you?

One more than what? All the plane wreckage that was found was identified as being from Flight 93. Are you suggesting that I go dig around in the field there? I don't think that would go over so well, know what I mean.