We Weren't Designed To Eat Meat, Here Is Proof

I have a story that will make everyone in this thread laugh. I have an extrremely wealthy friend who we both know a guy a strict vegetarian. No fish eggs or anything. We all go to a steakhouse and my friend "Jordan" says to our vege friend "Mike" try the steak its really. Mike says no way man you know I dont eat meat. So we all continue with the order and Mike orders a salad. Jordan says to Mike I will give you $1000 if you eat a steak. Mike looks at him and laughs and says no way man eating meat is wrong and disgusting. So we all start chatting about crap and they bring the appetizers and Jordan says Mike I will give you $5000 if you eat a steak.

Mike says no way man sorry. So we all chat and get our food and Jordan says one last time Ok Im going to give you one last chance here and he gets a check out and writes it out for $10,000 and say Mike you eat my steak Ill give you this right now. Mike ate the steak LOL!!!!!!! Just goes to show you money even buys principals. Ill never forget that day.

reply to post by mybigunit


Sounds like your friend Jordan was a real dumb guy. He spent 10,000 dollars to convince another person to take his dinner from him. Out of curiosity, how many cans of soup would 10 grand put into a homeless shelter's kitchen?

This does not prove anything. We have finger nails, which could of been claws but devolved because we never needed them (or we never had claws at all because we never needed them and were smart enough to use tools)

Our teeth are not like carnivores or herbivores teeth. We have a version kinda like each. perfect for eating both. We have the salivary glands because we also eat plants. Our stomach acid is probably less because we cook our meat and don't eat things like bones. Our intestines are probably like that because we also eat plants.

Now I'm not saying we need meat. We are not nearly as good as digesting meat as a carnivore, but our ability to eat both allows us to survive more and helps us be on top.

I'm sure we could live a very deathly life without meat, but unless its pork, meat probably won't hurt us and we can digest it.

idk, what am I then? I don't seem to salivate when I look at a salad bowl either.

Morals, ethics, and here's something for all the science fans out there.

"Deny Ignorance."

Ha...

reply to post by DeadFlagBlues


Erm why is that video denying ignorance? Please don't keep trying to throw such silly arguements out there. You really are desperate to convert people, it's rather sad, why can't you just let people do whatever they want? As long as it's within the law of course. I don't go trying to force you to eat meat do i.

Oh and to buy that video you have to buy into the idea that global warming is caused by us, that's a whole different issue so lets just not bother shall we lol.

Danger Girl,
I am a personal trainer. I am fully familiar with diet, nutrition, etc. I follow the idea that if it came from nature, it is edible (with exceptions such as allergies and poisons) but regarding your first chart, we have much in common with both herbivores and carnivores. I urge you to investigate blood types. There are theories saying that different blood types are supposed to ingest difference foods which are healthier than others. For example, I know o-types are older and were used to eating meat, and a-types were used to eating farmed foods. Probably worth a check out,

Interesting comparison however...

I DO salivate when I see a large deer, bull moose or those yummy insect bottom feeders -lobster! I mean salivate like a kid thinking of sour candy. Ever taste those yummy animals? I would eat them raw without hesitation in the wild. Though cooked would be preferred.

Also, you have to keep in mind that we COOK our meat. The other animals are far too stupid to do so! LOL. That way it DOESN'T decay rapidly and the need for a short intestinal tract isn't there. It comes out of our butt unrecognizable in any way.

Native Innu / Inuit / Eskimo DO have a different sort of digestion system where raw meat is accommodated quite easily without the need to cook.

Cows, sheep, lamb do nothing for my salivary glands though and well lamb is just far to stinky!

Omnivore it is but you won't see a human munching a rotting bone for a week after either... That's where smarts comes in!

Fruuuuunnnkkkiiiiisssss!

Read the book by Dr. Weston A Price called "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration".

He studied primitive tribes to find out why they were in perfect health when on their traditional diets and why they degenerate on Western Diets. The word "Eskimo" means "Raw meat eater". They lived on a 100% meat diet (Seals, Karribu, fish etc) and were in perfect health. They are also the only tribe who never developed a medicine man, because they never needed one.

Weston Price also studied our closest relatives, Chimpanzese and UrangUtangs. Both also eat meat. They are NOT vegitarian.

Humans can see color to distinguish between types of fruit and have a hand that can pick fruit from trees. Our diet should be mostly fruit, but suplemented by meat and seafood.

Weston Price also discovered that Grains are not suppose to be part of our diet and is actually poisenous. Stay away from ALL grains, Patatoes and beans.

Humans not designed to eat meat you say??? We have roamed this planet along time doing so. Is that not better evidence than any science??
I would agree we shouldnt eat as much as we do and would almost agree that we should not eat red meat but practicaly we need meat.

reply to post by mybigunit


mybigunit.....I'd like to meet your extremely wealthy friend!! I'd take $10,000 to try a steak!!!

Please, set us up!! I implore you....in fact, do you think he is wealthy enough to just give me $100,000 for fun? I mean, if he's that wealthy.....like Ari Onassis wealthy, or Warren Buffet wealthy, or Bill Gates wealthy, or Steve Wozniac wealthy, what would it matter??

Pretty please? I'll even pay the air fare to get there...as long as I get paid!!!!

please...as one omnivore to another.....I need the money!!!!

PS....no monkey brains.....that's where I draw the line. Well, on second thought.....there's always a price for everything.

edit....no, not sarcasm.....just a genuine greedy need.....

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reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything. There's just certain implications that should (re?)consider before you go on with proverbial high fiving and back patting. Everything we do in life registers elsewhere, and for us not to draw back from our personal grind and think about one's own individual impact(s) on the world around us is potentially dangerous. All the egotistical and arrogant "food chain" comments are ridiculous, borderline asinine. I'm just stating the case for the other side. Even that is stretching it, as I see moderation the key to solving most problems of excess.


And IR, be easy, little guy. I know I must have embarrassed you, maybe even threatened you in some way, shape, or form. Otherwise you wouldn't come at me the way you do. I'm just here for discussion like everybody else. No hard feelings.





[edit on 17-6-2008 by DeadFlagBlues]

I'm so sick of these vegetarian peta types preaching their rubbish about humans not being designed to eat meat.

I say the exact opposite is true. It is a basic human instinct to eat meat, which is why all humans everywhere, in general eat meat. This is why our predecessors ate meat. This is why we find meat very tasty, this is why we are actually capable of eating meat and extracting very valuable nutrition from it, like protein - unlike carnivorous animals.

Get over it already.

Then you better get rid of the cannine teeth that is in everbodies mouth for tearing at flesh like a wild animal.

If that were the case we wouldn't have the tools for tearing it apart, but that doesn't mean that maybe sometime in our past we could have just been herbavoires, only grains and fruit and vegtables.

As a strict super vegan I live a hard life that is not always tasty and fun with food. To start with the body was designed to survive in every environment and has a defolt mode witch most of us are running on. The human body was designed to eat a meet diet and a non meet diet , it was designed to survive PERIOD NO MATER WHAT capable of eating all most every thing. When in survival mode a lot of the system functions of the body shut down or as I say go into limp mode.
Limp mode is:
1. when the food that is eaten causes the blood to slow down causing the cells in the body to not get enough oxygen .
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2.to much cwagulent in the blood stream slows down the blood causing same as #1.

3.with a thick blood stream the body cant easily flush out toxins and wast causing harm full damaged to the lining of the cells witch allows infection to set in and the start of some cancers.

4.for any food to stay in the digestive track to long and starts the decaying proses is extremely poisones and damaging to the body.

5. if there is to much oils in the body the cells will have a layer of oil around them making it hard to take in oxygen and food + get rid of wast and C-monoxide.

6. the faster the blood moves the colder the body can get with out harmful effects.

7.the brain slows down when it has to proses hard to use energy and so on with the rest of the body.

8.when the blood is thick the hart has a hard time pumping the blood shortening the life span of the hart and stressing the body down trying to keep up.

9. to much sugar causes bacterium to feed directly off of the cells and deteriorates bone mass and eats the enamel on the teeth. bacterium multiple's
causing infection and sickness.

And there is an ungodly huge number of other effects for there causes.

Now meet does play in part with what was listed above and causes all of them to A degree .

now sugar is one of the king long term killers and is ten times more of a urgent problem than the meet . if you want to put your priority's in order.
coming from a vegan

Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues
And IR, be easy, little guy. I know I must have embarrassed you, maybe even threatened you in some way, shape, or form. Otherwise you wouldn't come at me the way you do. I'm just here for discussion like everybody else. No hard feelings.

That attitude is quite uncalled for, your point was rediculous plain and simple and now you 're trying to backpedal. You're also continuing to try and insult my character. Threatened me? Nope i didn't see a threat and i don't find you even remotely worrying, simply because unlike you i dont' take the position of being right. Everyone can do whatever they want as long as they follow the law, i unlike you am not saying it's right to eat meat, or it's right to be a vegetarian, i think either of these positions is fine and dandy.

I come at you the way i do because i find you to be trying to force your views on people, and i dislike anyone that tries to force their views on others when those views are moral. Forcing science on someone is fine as they're facts, morals are personal and so shouldn't be thrown at someone, like so many stones until the person crumples.

Not sure how you think you've embarrassed me, please enlighten me on that topic, or as stated already are you trying to talk down to me as a typical attack, so common amongst people who don't get their way. Vegetarians often take the superior position, when their position isn't superior, in my view a vegan, vegetarian or meat eater has equal footing. I wish you could see it that way, however i won't force my view on you

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


I'm not backpedaling at all. Just making things cordial, my dude. Last time I checked back on page 10, I remember saying something like this.

It's all about true health, not anyone "diet." An individual needs to decide what works for them. Once you widen that fairly narrow mind (as I had to do so as a staunch vegan), you can see that this is truth, as it is subjective only to the person and their personal needs.

Forget so soon?

Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues
I'm not backpedaling at all. Just making things cordial, my dude. Last time I checked back on page 10, I remember saying something like this.

Cordial? Hardly when you say the things i quoted before attacking me and not the issues i raised.

Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues
It's all about true health, not anyone "diet." An individual needs to decide what works for them. Once you widen that fairly narrow mind (as I had to do so as a staunch vegan), you can see that this is truth, as it is subjective only to the person and their personal needs.

Forget so soon?

Nope i didn't forget but you seem to contradict yourself. You keep trying to argue the vegan or vegetarian point as being superior, like that video you linked and then you post the quote above. Your position is quite fluid.

I'll agree on the above quote though, as i said ealier, people with kidney problems are often advised to reduce or better yet eliminate meat from their diet. Anyone with kidney stones also should consider it. My grandad had his gall bladder removed and was a big meat eater, he noticed a downturn in his health once his gall bladder was whipped out. So he ended up becoming pretty much completely vegan apart from the odd bit of meat or egg here and there. His health picked up markedly.

There are very important benefits from a vegan diet under certain circumstances medically speaking. Morally speaking, well i think everyone has the right to choose that, i get tired of either side trying to force their diet ideas onto others.

EDIT

Forgive me, any response you give i will have to answer tomorrow, i've been awake for nearly 27 hours and my bodies finally decided sleep is necessary. Stupid body thinking it needs sleep, i dunno

[edit on 17-6-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


Let me personalize this so you understand clearly. I must have forgotten my Crayons...

I do not eat very many soy products. Not much at all. Maybe Tofu if there's nothing else on the menu, because I realize the implications of creating a vast market for soy goods will drastically effect natural ecosystems around the world. Soy takes a lot of land to produce, and we don't have fertile vacant lots just lying about. Where do you think they're going to find those fields to grow soybeans? That's right.. They're going to bulldoze an entire section/region to make way for someone's money making enterprise. If I abstain from supporting that, I feel at the end of the night that my decision was a just one.

I believe evolution supersedes itself. It doesn't grow into the term, as there's no finalization within the term itself. Constant adaptation; mentally, physically, emotionally, maybe even spiritually. Not realizing or ignoring your own weight on the world isn't evolution, but idleness.



[edit on 17-6-2008 by DeadFlagBlues]

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


I never said superior, I said it has taken care of me. I didn't call anybody out on their meat eating, but only asked for some self reflection. You, if anything have taken it personally, somehow.