We Weren't Designed To Eat Meat, Here Is Proof

reply to post by DeadFlagBlues


Dude, I don't want to come off as rude or anything here, but whilst you look good and healthy, if you were wearing a shirt, nobody would be able to tell you had ever done any exercise at all. There are indeed vegan bodybuilders, but they compete only against other vegans or in competitions where the entrants are nothing but part time lifters. Trying to compete with serious meat eating bodybuilders would result in nothing but embarassment.

There are some sports where vegans can compete, usually ones where carrying significant muscle is not an advantage eg endurance activity. However in bodybuilding and strength based activities, vegans have no chance of winning anything of note. The problem is getting complete protein sources as a vegan results in having to consume too much in the way of carbs and fat to get the protein and so you either have to be fat or ripped but lacking in significant muscle.

This guy is one of the most successful vegan bodybuilders
www.veganbodybuilding.com...

He looks ok, but compare him to the best natural meat eating bodybuilders for example
www.rodneyhelaire.com...
and he looks average at best, plus he isnt even close to being strong if you read his lifts, I was beating them when I was 17 and im just an average mildy dedicated gym goer.

Then compare him to the ifbb pros (of which none are vegans or vegetarian) and you have a seriously insane comparison.

www.phillipheath.com...

Hello! I really don't have time to read the whole thread, but I would like to express my own opinion on this (in case it has already been mentioned, I apologise). I believe that as a species we are still evolving and it's my opinion that during our first evolutionary stages we were "made" that way so as to eat everything, including meat, but as we are becoming more and more developed, our bodies adopt more to the herbivore type. I think we won't be eating meat for too long...

Alexandros

We have 3 different types of teeth because we are omnivores, meaning we eat all sorts of food.

I'm worthy of my own being and intelligence that I'm important enough that an animal has to die so i can live. Thats why animals are bred, reared and slaughtered.

And those who chose to think that some multiple or qudrupled legged dumb beasts have the same or even greater importance than themselves implies that they (the veggies) DESERVE to be behave the same way as these animals- eating on the floor, sleep outside, do not bathe, making senseless grunts, eat their own poo and lick their own behinds.

Vegetarian food is good, yes, but so is all food.
The idea of giving up on something just because it's trendy or makes you feel not guilty, escapes me... Because if you were to think that way, the way modern human vegetarians live, drving cars, burn fossil fuels, using the Internet, elctronics, even clearing forests to build houses that you place your comfy bed to sleefp everyday contradicts EVERYTHING with nature, when in
fact animals who are carnivores have been eating other animals for millions of years and are in balance with nature.



Don't you see how hyprocritical and pretentious post-modern vegetarianism
are?

Giving up on something that your body relies to be healthy doesn't makes any sense at all as with being a trendy vegetarian. Common sense dictates that taking away something that you need isnt healthy and it definitely isn't 'doing it right.

Would you say taking vitamins is healthier that eating fruit? I dont think there will ever be a proper substitue for meat, not tofu not nothing...and dont get me started on Quorn..... its made to look and feel like meat, yet it isnt meat; possibly one of the most hyppocritical things ive ever encountered in my life...

Can you say hyprocritically pretentious?

If you vegetarians want to be that rightous stop driving your car, stop using Internet, computers, elctronic device, stop living in your comfortable homes etc because the way us modern humans live has more impact in long term than any characterless, stupid non-intelligent beasts getting reared and slaughtered.


[edit on 16-6-2008 by Macrotus]


Mod edit: Edited to maintain PG rating.

[edit on 16-6-2008 by chissler]

Originally posted by Macrotus
I'm worthy of my own being and intelligence that I'm important enough that an animal has to die so i can live. Thats why animals are bred, reared and slaughtered.

And those who chose to think that some multiple or qudrupled legged dumb beasts have the same or even greater importance than themselves implies that they (the veggies) DESERVE to be behave the same way as these animals- eating on the floor, sleep outside, do not bathe, making senseless grunts, eat their own poo and lick their own behinds.

I'll say a couple of things.

1 - This has no relevance to anything. Justify the reasons why we should have to live like animals for caring about the safety of living creatures.

2 - (Off topic text removed)

3 - Remember kids, the vegetarians are the elitist crazy ones! Not the average joe 'meat and 3 veg' posters like this guy. See his amazing powers of humbleness in action!


Mod edit: Please stay on topic.

[edit on 16-6-2008 by chissler]

Originally posted by mrmanuva
reply to post by DeadFlagBlues

 

Dude, I don't want to come off as rude or anything here, but whilst you look good and healthy, if you were wearing a shirt, nobody would be able to tell you had ever done any exercise at all. There are indeed vegan bodybuilders, but they compete only against other vegans or in competitions where the entrants are nothing but part time lifters. Trying to compete with serious meat eating bodybuilders would result in nothing but embarassment.

There are some sports where vegans can compete, usually ones where carrying significant muscle is not an advantage eg endurance activity. However in bodybuilding and strength based activities, vegans have no chance of winning anything of note. The problem is getting complete protein sources as a vegan results in having to consume too much in the way of carbs and fat to get the protein and so you either have to be fat or ripped but lacking in significant muscle.

This guy is one of the most successful vegan bodybuilders
www.veganbodybuilding.com...

He looks ok, but compare him to the best natural meat eating bodybuilders for example
www.rodneyhelaire.com...
and he looks average at best, plus he isnt even close to being strong if you read his lifts, I was beating them when I was 17 and im just an average mildy dedicated gym goer.

Then compare him to the ifbb pros (of which none are vegans or vegetarian) and you have a seriously insane comparison.

www.phillipheath.com...

There are actually a few, and by a few, I mean 2 or 3 semi-pro vegan bodybuilders who look OK at the semi-pro level but keep in mind that they are using growth hormone, steroids, insulin, IGF-1, etc... I can't remember their names at the moment but they are not big names in any case, and never will be as vegans.

Originally posted by Macrotus
We have 3 different types of teeth because we are omnivores, meaning we eat all sorts of food.

Agreed.

I'm worthy of my own being and intelligence that I'm important enough that an animal has to die so i can live. Thats why animals are bred, reared and slaughtered.

Perhaps, perhaps. But I wonder if you wouldn't start to squeal like a pig if a more intelligent and technologically advanced species to our own were to somehow appear and do the same to us, and you. Would you still be wearing your cold, hard analytical face then, good Sir?

And those who chose to think that some multiple or qudrupled legged dumb beasts have the same or even greater importance than themselves implies that they (the veggies) DESERVE to be behave the same way as these animals- eating on the floor, sleep outside, do not bathe, making senseless grunts, eat their own poo and lick their own behinds.

I once heard someone say "you are what you eat." I wonder if there's any truth in that?

Vegetarian food is good, yes, but so is all food.
The idea of giving up on something just because it's trendy or makes you feel not guilty, escapes me... Because if you were to think that way, the way modern human vegetarians live, drving cars, burn fossil fuels, using the Internet, elctronics, even clearing forests to build houses that you place your comfy bed to sleefp everyday contradicts EVERYTHING with nature, when in
fact animals who are carnivores have been eating other animals for millions of years and are in balance with nature.

You're right. I might actually start sleeping in a box under my desk to appease this grave contradiction.

Don't you see how hyprocritical and pretentious post-modern vegetarianism
are?

Some of them, but there are pretentious and hypocritical people in all walks of life.

Giving up on something that your body relies to be healthy doesn't makes any sense at all as with being a trendy vegetarian. Common sense dictates that taking away something that you need isnt healthy and it definitely isn't 'doing it right.

Such arrogance in you. Your body may "rely on it to be healthy," but that doesn't mean to say that everyone else's must. And I didn't give up meat to be "trendy" or "cool." I decided to try Vegetarianism after getting into Buddhist philosophy. Buddhism may have been "trendy and cool" 40 years ago but I don't really think it's considered so today. Look at society. If Buddhism is "trendy" today then I think it's been grossly misrepresented.

Would you say taking vitamins is healthier that eating fruit? I dont think there will ever be a proper substitue for meat, not tofu not nothing...and dont get me started on Quorn..... its made to look and feel like meat, yet it isnt meat; possibly one of the most hyppocritical things ive ever encountered in my life...

Don't get me started on Quorn or Tofu either. I despise them both.

It's like marryimg to a blow up doll and doing sex with it everyday but what you really are doing is masturbating. Sure it feels good and all, but it's not the same and you are actually lying to yourself.

Can you say hyprocritically pretentious?

Yes. I know what you mean, but can you say "unfair stereotyping?"

If you vegetarians want to be that rightous stop driving your car, stop using Internet, computers, elctronic device, stop living in your comfortable homes etc because the way us modern humans live has more impact in long term than any characterless, stupid non-intelligent beasts getting reared and slaughtered.

Again, stop stereotyping. You're not a Vegetarian and you are incredibly self righteous. I only "became" Vegetarian recently, but I claim absolutely no moral high ground just because I don't eat meat anymore. Some Vegetarians definitely do, I'll give you that, but no way near all of them. In fact, I'd say you are on a moral "high horse" just as much as the "elitist" Vegetarians you're attacking. Just relax, man. You're no better than anyone here and we're no better than you.

reply to post by Cadbury


I'm glad somebody else mentioned hating Tofu... What the hell! It's awful!

I've found so many more unmentioned goodies that actually taste nice since going vegetarian but I still can't get on the tofu wagon. I keep thinking it's because I've only ever had bad store-bought poorly prepared tofu, but who knows.

Maybe someday I'll come to like it... But in the mean time I have alternatives!

reply to post by Duality


Yeah, I've never had the "proper" stuff either, but I don't think I'd like it. I'm not a Vegan so I have quite a few alternatives to choose from.

reply to post by DeadFlagBlues



I was just stating a scientific fact, I wasn't saying it's right to eat meat.

What about people who live in freezing climates like the Eskimos? I think it is a matter of the ecosystem you live in and out of necessity to survive there. Last time I checked there wasn't to many fruit trees and grain in any ice fields that I know of.

If we weren't designed to eat meat then why do we have canines? Also it we weren't designed to eat meat we wouldn't be able to digest it.

Take dogs and cats... a dog is an ominivore... a cat is a strict carnivore... I dog can (grudgingly) eat his vegetables and live and prosper but if you try to make a vergetarian out of a cat all you will get is a sick cat.

Also grains and the like need to be processed before they are edible so I doubt seriously that we evolved to eat grains... that came much later, say 15,000 years ago or so.

As for the soft parts all ominivorus and carnivorus animals like those.

As for not drooling... I was cooking some ribs last night and both the dog and I were drooling.

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[edit on 16-6-2008 by Macrotus]

Originally posted by Macrotus
We have 3 different types of teeth because we are omnivores, meaning we eat all sorts of food.

Originally posted by Cadbury
Agreed.

Agreed aand??? So omnivores don't compute? The forward looking binocular? What's that for? And those canines in your mouth?

Originally posted by Macrotus
I'm worthy of my own being so I kill to eat mindless meat which are lesser than me to survive

Originally posted by Cadbury
Perhaps, perhaps. But I wonder if you wouldn't start to squeal like a pig if a more intelligent and technologically advanced species to our own were to somehow appear and do the same to us, and you. Would you still be wearing your cold, hard analytical face then, good Sir?

Where? Where???? *RAises hands* "More intelligent and technologically advanced species to our own!!! Yooohoooo!!! Where are you???? Come down here and appear before me so I can wear my cold, hard analytical faceeeee!! No? Oh you guys don't exist? *Wears a cold hard analytical grin*

And so they don't exist.... indeed.... well that was easy

Originally posted by Cadbury
I once heard someone say "you are what you eat." I wonder if there's any truth in that?

Wow you are still wondering about that? Go figure. The saying "you are what you eat." doesn't make any sense in the scientific term. Your logic does not compute. I kill mindless meat(animal squels), I slaughtered it(schwing!), I skin it((schwing!schwing!), I cook it, (mmmmm smells good) I eat it (yum), and I ingested it in my tummy (burppp). The rest is any secondary school level science. In kindergarden level explanation I don't become it. It went into my stomach and it feels goooood.... (burp)

So with your logic that means you are brainless, motionless leafy green veggies lying doing nothing. I guess you are then if you say so. Haw. Then again vegetarians never had any grasp of science since they lack essential nutrients to think harder...

Originally posted by Macrotus
Vegetarian food is good, yes, but so is all food.
The idea of giving up on something just because it's trendy or makes you feel not guilty, escapes me...

Originally posted by Cadbury
You're right. I might actually start sleeping in a box under my desk to appease this grave contradiction.

What is the box made of? How many tiny cute little furyy animals have been bulldozed and maimed to aquire pulp to make that box? And desk?Is it a wooden desk or plastic/wood/metal desk? Either way the killing of countless little cute furry animals during the clearing of wooded natural environment and for the building the factories needed in manufacturing them, transporting them and warehouses/shops to store/sell them doesn't happen right? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhttttttttt....................
How about sleepingin a cave? Or in a tree stump? Or in a burrow?

Originally posted by CadburySome of them, but there are pretentious and hypocritical people in all walks of life.

I agree. There are also people with no common sense and can't make out what they truly are in all walks of life too. People like vegetarians and people who change their sex...




[edit on 16-6-2008 by Macrotus]

Originally posted by Danger Girl
The reason that most people have approximately ten pounds of putrid, undigested, red meat in their guts is because our intestines are designed to process meat. Meat eaters have a very short digestive tract so the meat won't spoil in their guts. Our bodies have developed canine teeth in a vain attempt to help out but the rest of our bodies are not designed for the meat. sorry.

I apologize for getting gross here but it is a fact.

Really? A fact? The correct term here is "urban legend." I'm guessing you've head the same story that everybody else has heard about John Wayne. Proponents of this silly theory always use his case to prove that this is true, fortunately most people don't go research it for themselves and find out it is a complete lie.

Snopes

Originally posted by Cadbury
Such arrogance in you. Your body may "rely on it to be healthy," but that doesn't mean to say that everyone else's must.

I'm just stating the obvious lack of common sense in some people. And your own statement doesn't make any sense. Listen to yourself. "Your body may "rely on it to be healthy, but that doesn't mean to say that everyone else's must." Huh? That doesn't make any sense. Of course, a human with a pair of canines and binocular vision who behaves like he's a different species all together doen't make any sense either....

Originally posted by Macrotus
Can you say hyprocritically pretentious?

Originally posted by Cadbury

Yes. I know what you mean, but can you say "unfair stereotyping?"

Can you say sarcastic analogy? Again of course you can't make sense of that too can you?

Again, stop stereotyping. You're not a Vegetarian and you are incredibly self righteous.

I'm not. I'm stating the obvious. And if humans born with forward looking binocular vision and having a pair of canine teeth can't see the obvious what they truly are, an omnivore, then I can't help you...





[edit on 16-6-2008 by Macrotus]

Originally posted by Duality
What good is this sort of thinking, what relevance does it have to everyday life? We're not in a survival situation now will we likely be soon. Do you live your life expecting to die tomorrow and have your funeral prepared and updated every single night in preperation? Or do you just live your life. >_<

Why would you worry about ridiculous situations like that. When they occur, then be my guest and rethink your vegetarianism as per the situation.... *sigh*

Logic, where are you my friend...?

Yes logic ware are you. Most survivalist don't prepare there funerals every night because we are to busy training to live. to plan your funeral you are planning on dying.

No we are not in a survival situation now. Look at the state of the world. Odds are we will be soon. Just because we live in a modern world doesn't mean we are modern. We are still the primitive man in our thoughts. As such we go out of our way to destroy each other. So go ahead and keep ignoring the survival training because it might not happen. you will be one less person to compete against when it does happen.

I was actually enjoying your post till that dribble came out along with

Originally posted by DualityWhy people in our societies would even need to talk about bare-minimum survival in the wild as if it is reality is beyond me.

I would turn that around but I have a feeling the question is lost on you. We don't talk about it as if it was a reality. we talk about it for when it is a reality. its not about if it will happen but when. when it does happen we (as survivalist) will be whats left because we took the time to learn and train now well the times were good.

You didn't see the need so We will not have to worry about you. Do you honestly think that because we have modern convinces that we are safe. We as a species have not come so far as to be considered safe. If any thing we are less safe now. We have become dependent on modern convinces and forgot simple things like how to start a fire and how to eat meat.

So please be my guest and don't prepare, but don't come on the survival forums and make statement like the two quoted above. We are not invincible


[edit on 16-6-2008 by angryamerican]

Wow i've never seen so many people do so little research, im not trying to be rude but COME ON, wake up! And Congrats to the person who posted this thread at least YOU have been doing your homework!!

I'll start off by saying that i became vegetarian a few months ago... and i have never felt better! First of all, i noticed people saying "well where will i get B12's?" Meat is not your only source of vitamins. In fact, compared to vegetables and grains, meat has little nutritional value. Everything we need, we can get from plants/wheat/grains. Everyday my bf and i take a 1000 mg of Ginseng and 650 mg of Royal jelly (If you dont know what Royal jelly is.. its LOADED with B12's. Its the Jelly that only the queen bee eats, and the worker bees spend their entire lives refining regular honey into royal jelly. Furthermore, The queen bee lives at least 5 years longer.) Another thing, Humans are the only species on the planet that drinks milk past infancy. Not only that, but after infancy we drink the milk of ANOTHER species. Whats wrong with this picture? We are NOT the only species with bones that need to be healthy. In fact, most animals are more active than the average human and uses there bones a lot more than a human. Animals dont get Ostioperosis and Animals dont drink milk past infancy.

oh and btw the majority of our teeth are molars. So, what does that show you right there? If we were designed to eat meat, we would have a mouth full of sharp pointy teeth instead of a mouth full of flat molars, which are used to grind up different types of plants and grains.

Before anyone starts complaining that i dont have "proof" to support my claims, The reason why i didnt include "evidence" is because i feel that the logic of my argument explains itself. However, if you have any questions concerning what i have said, please message me i would LOVE to show you evidence

reply to post by Danger Girl


Teeth are actually more of an indicator as to what a species is able to eat. We humans have all of the major types of teeth, as do most primates.

Incisors-for slicing and scraping flesh from bone.

Canines-for piercing flesh

Pre-molars and Molars- for chewing and grinding.

reply to post by BlueTriangle


That was completely disgusting to read. Probably true tho. I don't think that anyone that has died due to a known ailment undergoes an autopsy. The autopsy is preformed only when a death is unknown or in cases where it is likely that the patient may have died due to poisoning or other trauma.


Humans are of the omnivore persuasion. We are inherently designed to eat both plants and animals.

Also when meat is cooked it actually takes less time for the body to digest it than if we were to eat it raw.


Every single vegetarian I have met in person looks as if they have one foot in the grave and often describe different ailments and other health problems they have.

I eat both plants and animals. I am rarely sick, I don't have problems with my digestive tract. I take 0 supplements, no vitamins or other dietary supplements. I exercise frequently and so comparatively I versus a vegetarian or vegan person, I would be deemed more healthy.

Vegans and vegetarians also have to increase their intake of plant matter in order to have enough fuel to correctly function.


All in moderation, all in moderation.

[edit on 6/16/2008 by whatukno]

Alright, then...

Originally posted by Macrotus

Agreed and??? So omnivores doesn't compute?

What do you mean “agreed and?” Agreed is agreed. What also do you mean by "Omnivores doesn't compute?" We can eat both plants and animals, right?

Where? Where???? *RAises hands* "More intelligent and technologically advanced species to our own?!!! Yooohoooo!!! Where are you???? Come down here were and appear before me so I can wear my cold, hard analytical faceeeee!! No? Oh you people don't exist? *Gleefully grins cold hard analytically*

And so they don't exist.... indeed....

Very funny. That was more of a joke than anything else just to illustrate a point. There are none that I know of, but that's not to say they don't exist, or don't know we exist. A creature at the top of the food chain may not always remain top of the food chain indefinitely. What would you do if our primacy was threatened in that way?

Wow you are still wondering about that? Go figure. The saying "you are what you eat." doesn't make any sense in the scientific term. Your logic does not compute. I kill mindless meat(animal squels), I slaughtered it(schwing!), I skin it((schwing!schwing!), I cook it, (mmmmm smells good) I eat it (yum), and I ingested it in my tummy (burppp). The rest is any secondasry school level science.

That was a joke. Don't get pedantic and snotty with me. And don't try and lure me out with your not-so-subtle bait by thinking I even remotely care that you've butchered and then eaten animals, like I'll start crying or attach myself to a #ing metal railing outside Parliament. I won't. I don't care about you or what you eat. I don't eat animals any more myself, but I have for the vast majority of my life. What can I say even if I wanted to say something? Nothing.

So with your logic that means you are brainless, motionless leafy green veggies lying doing nothing. I guess you are then if you say so. Haw. Then again vegetarians never had any grasp of science since they lack essential nutrients to think harder...

Seriously, why are you so bothered about any of this? What do you care if someone doesn't eat meat or not? I don't care if people do eat meat. It's none of my business.

Originally posted by Cadbury
You're right. I might actually start sleeping in a box under my desk to appease this grave contradiction.

What's the box is made of? Wood? How many tiny cute little furyy animals have been bulldozed and maimed to aquire pulp to make that box? And desk?Is it a wooden desk or plastic/wood/metal desk? Either way the clearing of wooded natural environment and the killing of countless little cute furry animals for the building the factories needed in manufacturing them, transporting them and warehoses/shops to store/sell them doesn't happen right? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhttttttttt....................
How about in a cave? Or in a tree stump? Or in a burrow?

Oh come on, it was a joke. Are you so totally devoid of humour? If you must know, the desk is very old and was hand crafted in the United Kingdom. It's unique. No Forests were ploughed down to construct it, unless they got it wrong the first few thousand times they tried to fashion it. Even if they were, what could you say about it? You would be guilty of exactly the same.

I agree. There are also people with no common sense and can't make out what they truly are in all walks of life too. People like vegetarians and people who change their sex...

I know that we're omnivores you idiot. It's just that I personally don't eat meat any more. What business is that of yours?

I'm just stating the obvious lack of common sense in some people. And your own statement doesn't make any sense. Listen to yourself. "Your body may "rely on it to be healthy," but that doesn't mean to say that everyone else's must. "

Huh? That doesn't make any sense. Of course, a human with a pair of canines and binocular vision who behaves like he's a different species all together doen't make any sense either....

It has been said that the body can't live without the mind. I don't know whether that's true or not but it seems to me to "make sense." And I'm not saying I'm a different species and I don't think I'm even remotely acting here as if I believe I am, it's just that I don't eat meat any more. What's the big deal? If you think that makes me sub-human and “dumb” then you think that makes me sub-human and ”dumb.” I don't care, to be honest. It's irrelevant.