Obama's Birth Certificate

Originally posted by jetxnet
I believe that is the only explanation. A true print wouldn't have the Halo effect reserved for those specific pixels in the image.

You have showed some proof, that definitely that would tell most anyone who knows about Graphics etc. is a Photoshop image.

I just did a quick google search of images of scanned stock certificates. I couldn't find ANY that had the halo or pixelation like the Obama CoB. Here's just a couple examples of what real scanned certificates look like:



Notice the crispness in how the background designed is interlaced perfectly with the printing on top of it. There is no pixelation and no halo effect.


Here's another example:






Notice that even when enlarged there isn't the slightest trace of a halo effect or any pixelation.

Compare the above scans with this from Obama's CoB:




The question is, why isn't Obama's CoB scan like the others I've shown? Why wouldn't the lettering be crisp and perfectly interlaced with the background if it is a legitimate scan?

P.S. I just noticed the first scan above is signed by somebody named "Clinton".... Maybe it's an omen???

[edit on 14-6-2008 by jamie83]

The White Halo effect around Obama's scan is a common Text affect applied by graphics editors.

A true scan, wil have the pixels in perferct order. It is because Typewriters were used back then to create the Certs, and even now, with Laser Printers, there would be 0 Halo effect because the printing gun and the ink is targeted for the alloted Pixels to place the text on the print.

In this case, you could prove in court, that this image of Obama's cert is indeed fake. All the evidence is there. It is obvious and Photoshopped. There is no doubt about it.

Nice work BTW.

Originally posted by jetxnet

In this case, you could prove in court, that this image of Obama's cert is indeed fake. All the evidence is there. It is obvious and Photoshopped. There is no doubt about it.

Nice work BTW.

Thanks!

So do you think the person who did the photoshop job intentionally left the clues in so people would spot it, or is it something that's the result of not being aware that he left his fingerprints all over the scene of the crime?

Also, I think it's interesting that so many Obama fans took the scan at face value and basically said, "See! There's the proof! Kos says it's the real scan so it must be!" This would be like people using the Warren Commission Report to claim they "proved" Kennedy was killed by Oswald, or the 9/11 Commission Report to "prove" that OBL was behind 9/11.

It seems to be there's a little bit of a double standard and hypocrisy when it comes to what is considered "proof" these days.

It is a smoke screen to buy Obama time and squelch any rumors by playing it down that he is not providing his Birth Cert. to the State Dept.

Obama is essentially saying by posting the image on his site that "See, here my Birth Certificate, proves I was born in the US". Meanwhile, he doesn't provide any real proof, neither to the public or the State Dept. who has made several request for the Cert.

Now, you know Obama went out and found a guy he paid quite well to come up with this Bogus image. The guy is obviously an Amature.

It would take laser precision to fill in all those Pixels around the text to match perfectly with the background, but this guy didn't take the time and likely didn't have the skills.

It is obvious there are two Layers to the image. The background Layer, and then the Text Layer. One Layer is ontop of the other.

A true print is only one Layer, the other ones you showed in contrast are true prints.

You guys have debunked the Obama UFO myth! Anyway, I leave you with the parting thoughts:

1) You need a birth certificate to get a passport

2) Obama has a passport

3) The State Department issues passports

4) The (pre-Bush) State Department has already approved Obama's birth certificate and passport

5) Bush has politicized every agency in this government including State, Justice (for which he may someday be prosecuted) and Defense. These are no longer departments of state, but completely and totally stacked with cronies.

6) I suspect that this will make no difference to you as your fallacy that someone would falsify a document and ADD a halo effect will make a difference with my opinion. Yet you continue to ignore that my basis of rejecting the PNAC agenda espoused by McCain.

By the way, I know the difference between inkjet prints and laser prints, so some of your examples are not valid.

Peace.

You guys have debunked the Obama UFO myth! Anyway, I leave you with the parting thoughts:

The image was debunked. The evidence is there in front of you, very obvious it is a Photoshop job.

1) You need a birth certificate to get a passport

Even for Senators? They couldn't just get their own somehow else or by other means?

2) Obama has a passport

Yes, but this is why his Passports were probed to find out any illegitimacy to them. His team caught the probe in time. It was shut down.

3) The State Department issues passports

So? Does this mean they gave Obama his passports and have since made multiple requests for his Birth Certificate? Could he have gotten his Passports by other means?

4) The (pre-Bush) State Department has already approved Obama's birth certificate and passport

Please show references for this

5) Bush has politicized every agency in this government including State, Justice (for which he may someday be prosecuted) and Defense. These are no longer departments of state, but completely and totally stacked with cronies.

And, what does this have to do with Obama's Passport and Birth Certificate?

6) I suspect that this will make no difference to you as your fallacy that someone would falsify a document and ADD a halo effect will make a difference with my opinion. Yet you continue to ignore that my basis of rejecting the PNAC agenda espoused by McCain.

That isn't quite the Halo effect, this type of effect occurs when you place text onto an existing image layer that isn't in the native format of the Graphics Editor extension (for editing).

By the way, I know the difference between inkjet prints and laser prints, so some of your examples are not valid.

Ink Jet printers use heat bubbles to induce text onto a print (or paper gloss etc.). Laser printers use a Cartridge and are even more precise. In any case (even with Typewriter), the letters are placed directly pixel by pixel onto the print. There is no Halo pixilation affect from not matching the original print the text is placed on.

[edit on 14-6-2008 by jetxnet]

I work with Photoshop every day. And Illustrator. If I wanted to drop in fake text, I could drop in perfectly crisp text without giving it a second thought. It just so happens that I'm a Production Artist in the printing industry.

The halo is most likely a result of the scan. The density of the bright black laser thermo toner reflects slightly on a cheap (or should I say fast) copier/scanner. But whatever, you're not going to believe that this is a silly ruse until someone puts Obama's birth certificate in your hand, and probably long after then my friends in serving Iraq will be stop-lossed into serving in Iran. And the economy will be further crippled and the Constitution further brutalized while we all live in fear of orange alerts. Thanks.

"1984 was a warning, not a manual."

I work with Photoshop every day. And Illustrator. If I wanted to drop in fake text, I could drop in perfectly crisp text without giving it a second thought. It just so happens that I'm a Production Artist in the printing industry.

Yeah, that's all fine and dandy if it is the same image you're working with and originallly created with the same editor. The text can be laid crisp in that regard because the image format is native to the editor.

The text cannot be laid crisp, however, when the background image is in a JPEG or GIF format and not the native editing format of Photoshop or Fireworks.

The Halo-like effect you see is the identical result to that of a new text layer placed onto a non-native image source.

Try the exercise for yourself. Take any JPEG or GIF out there on the Internet. Load it into Photoshop. Next, create a new layer to type text onto the non-native image source. Export and Save. Now Zoom in on the image, low and behold, you will the halo-like effect.

And the economy will be further crippled and the Constitution further brutalized while we all live in fear of orange alerts. Thanks.

And, I suppose Obama's Marxist model government for managing Sheeple with high Taxation is the answer to blanket Utopia. Obama is an economic wrecking ball waiting to happen, and we simply should not let it happen.

Do not vote for Obama, here's why:

www.dontvoteobama.net...



[edit on 14-6-2008 by jetxnet]

Originally posted by flashback
You won't see me around here much anymore. This entire site is like a RNC smear machine.

If you cant' tell the difference between 'smear' and 'debunking' then you dont' belong here anyways.

Bu-bye.

Originally posted by Mysteryinthesky
yay now hopefully they can see this and leave it alone

You didn't even read the thread, did you?

SIDE NOTE - I hate it here on ATS when school gets out for summer break.

Originally posted by jetxnet
The two signatures are different. They are both Adobe, but the seond one was created on June 12! The first one doesn't have a timestamp.

Originally posted by flashback
Since we're "going there" perhaps readers should also check out "the Real McCain."

Sure. But McCain isn't the topic of this thread. GO START ONE on him if you wish. THIS thread is about Obama's 'certificate of birth' or 'missing birth certificate' ...

But I thought you weren't going to be around here much anymore.

Originally posted by SavageHenry
Seriously people.. get some real information or STFU..

Troll alert.

ON TOPIC (Which is OBAMA's birth certificate and/or certificate of birth) - yes he needs one for a US passport. But is he traveling on a US passport or a Kenyan one? Just curious. He is a duel citizen of Kenya/USA. And he hasn't shown anyone his old passports when asked to. Perhaps he's traveling on a Kenyan passport?

(actually - he might have tri-citizenship. His school records in Indonesia list him as an Indonesian citizen).

I don't suppose the concept of bad scans have cross anyone's mind here, has it? Personally speaking, I have seen plenty of scans having screwed up and having similar sort of issues with the halo effect. It's not just a photoshop effect.

Here is the simple fact. You don't get a passport without a birth certificate or other proof of U.S. citizenship. You can site specific examples if you want, but the truth of the matter is Obama was born in Hawaii after it became a US state.

I've read threads on here about Obama's connection to the Bildebergs having more credibility then this thread. Come on folks!

Originally posted by TheStormofWar
I've read threads on here about Obama's connection to the Bildebergs having more credibility then this thread.

This is your first day as a member and this is your first post.
You are welcome to your opinion, however I think that those who
have been at 'debunking' a little longer then you will know
'credibility' a bit better. No offense.

Originally posted by flashback If I wanted to drop in fake text, I could drop in perfectly crisp text without giving it a second thought.

Of course you could. Of course somebody that doesn't work with photoshop, or is less experienced, might easily overlook leaving tell-tale clues that the image was doctored.

The halo is most likely a result of the scan. The density of the bright black laser thermo toner reflects slightly on a cheap (or should I say fast) copier/scanner.

I kept asking about any other explanations. I seriously am at a loss to understand how what you describe above would have anything to do with creating a halo effect, or how the scan would eliminate the green that would be in between the black letters.

So you say it's the density of the bright black laser toner that caused the effect. How would the density or brightness of black toner cause the scanner to miss the green color between the letters? How would the black toner cause the scanner to image white pixels beside the black toner?

None of this explanation as you presented it makes any sense. I would really be interested in understanding the process if what you claim is actually valid.

Originally posted by TheStormofWar
I don't suppose the concept of bad scans have cross anyone's mind here, has it? Personally speaking, I have seen plenty of scans having screwed up and having similar sort of issues with the halo effect. It's not just a photoshop effect.

I was curious about that, but I haven't been able to find any scans of laser printing that show the same effect. If you could find one and link to it that might be useful.

You don't get a passport without a birth certificate or other proof of U.S. citizenship.

I have an adopted daughter who is not a U.S. citizen who has a passport. How did that happen?

You can site specific examples if you want, but the truth of the matter is Obama was born in Hawaii after it became a US state.

Sorry, but this is a conspiracy site. A dubious scan and a politician's self-serving claims don't constitute "fact".

I've read threads on here about Obama's connection to the Bildebergs having more credibility then this thread. Come on folks!

Of course, Obama's connection to the Bilderberg Group has been established as FACT. But before I started my thread and showed proof, many people would have scoffed at the suggestion as just another attempt to "smear" or "bash" poor Barry O. Funny how some things turn out to be true, like Obama's connection to the Bilderberg group.

And your point is what? That it's *impossible* that Obama's camp posted a photoshopped jpg to quell the rumors? Or that it's *impossible* that Obama is lying about his birth name? Or his religious affiliation as a child?

do you honestly mean to tell me that you believe Obama would do such a lousy job of faking a document?

You really think that zooming in with photoshop is the answer to every debunked photograph?

I dont know the answer, im middle ground, i think its possible either way

but i also know that if i were going to fake a photograph, i'd find someone who knew what they were doing

and that person i found that knows what they're doing, they'd know what skeptical people would look for, and they'd find ways to trick those people too


It could be fake
it could be real

but because there are a few specs aroudn the letters, doesnt make it so.

Ill scan my marriage license wehn i get home and prove to you exactly what im talking about

Originally posted by FlyersFan
ON TOPIC (Which is OBAMA's birth certificate and/or certificate of birth) - yes he needs one for a US passport. But is he traveling on a US passport or a Kenyan one? Just curious. He is a duel citizen of Kenya/USA. And he hasn't shown anyone his old passports when asked to. Perhaps he's traveling on a Kenyan passport?

(actually - he might have tri-citizenship. His school records in Indonesia list him as an Indonesian citizen).

This is an excellent point.

We have no idea of Obama's status as a citizen of Kenya or Indonesia. His passport could very well be from either country.

How about this theory.... maybe it's far-fetched, maybe not....

Obama was taken to Indonesia when he was 6 years old, right? He would have needed a passport to travel there. What if something weird came up, like they wanted to travel before the U.S. would give little Barry his passport? Maybe then his mother and step-dad got the bright idea to get him a passport issued from Indonesia or Kenya just out of convenience. They could have lied to Indonesia or Kenya and claimed Barry was born there just to get him a bc from there and a passport.

It would be really ironic if Obama was indeed born in Hawaii but his parents lied for some reason and claimed he was born in Kenya or Indonesia just to make getting some paperwork easier.

The reason I even mention this is because my ex-wife did something very similar when she was young. She faked some small thing in CA to get an i.d. One thing led to another and she eventually got in so deep she created an entirely new identity with a new S.S. number just because she told the first "white lie." The only hurdle she had to overcome was signing some sort of affidavit under penalty of perjury that what she claimed was true, and she wound up with a completely new identity, including certificate of birth.

I guess the point is there are ways to game the system.

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
do you honestly mean to tell me that you believe Obama would do such a lousy job of faking a document?

Yes. He did a lousier job of picking James Johnson to find him a VP, so picking somebody incompetent to fake a document isn't out of the question.

but i also know that if i were going to fake a photograph, i'd find someone who knew what they were doing

and that person i found that knows what they're doing, they'd know what skeptical people would look for, and they'd find ways to trick those people too

This same reasoning would apply to picking the guy to vet his VP, but obviously Obama didn't bother worrying about what skeptical people would think about him choosing James Johnson.

but because there are a few specs aroudn the letters, doesnt make it so.

Ill scan my marriage license wehn i get home and prove to you exactly what im talking about

It's not the specs around the letters, it's the total absence of any green between the letters that raises red flags for me. How could the scanner miss the green that would have to be between the letters if this document were real? There's no way the laser printer could print the white around the letters, so if it's not a fake, it means the scanner would miss the green in between the letters and replace the green with white.

I don't know enough about scanners to know if this is common or not. I do know that I've looked for scanned documents online to see if I could find any other examples like this, and I couldn't find any.

reply to post by jamie83


Ok.....where to start


You say that he'd screw up on finding someoen to lie for him because he screwed up on finding someoen to find him a VP?

They're two completely different things.

Finding his VP wont' "ruin" his credibility

If he's found to not be eligible for presidency - that sort of ruins his credibility.
So its in his best interests, if he's goign to cheat, to find somoene that can do it very well.

Simply zooming in on a scanned image doesnt prove crap, and i cant even wait till i get home, ill post again shortly and prove it to you.

Originally posted by DarkStormCrow
The only problem I see with this particular birth certificate is that it cannot be the original or even a copy of the original, The form it is printed on is a laser printer document that was first used in Novemebr of 2001.

I agree. My mother was born in Hawaii around the same year (give or take a year) as Obama, and that looks nothing like her birth certificate she has on file here in our safe. The paper colors is the same, but the font is different and it has different info on it.

Let's all remember the biggest point of this thread so far:
It doesn't matter if he has a certificate and if it's real, he's still not a natural born US citizen and therefore constitutionally ineligible to be president of the united states. The law when he was born says both parents must be US citizens, or if only one parent is a US citizens the parent must have resided in the USA for 10 years, with 5 of them past the age of 16.

Barack's mother was 19 when she gave birth to Obama, which means she doesn't qualify because she would have to have been 21.

His father is not a us citizen.

So sorry, even with that birth certificate, he cannot legally be president. He just can't.

No doubt he will become president though. The government doesn't care about the constitution any way.

reply to post by AlCaponed


you have to be born on U.S. Soil

Hawaii was on U.S. Soil

You have to be born of U.S. Citizens

His parents were U.S. Citizens (his father was dual citizen to Kenya, this is correct, but he was STILL a U.S. Citizen)

and he meets the age requirement


To insinuate otherwise is to lash out with spite. Why spiteful? I duno. Doesnt make sense to me.

At first i was middle of the road on this debate, but the more and more stupid crap that gets thrown at obama in support of this radical notion tht he's not eligible is just plain making me side with Obamanites

You feel threatened by him and so you create lies to discredit him.
Cmon man - thats what media does - not individuals

or, have i lost touch with that aspect of our society too?