Officials say Iran attack "unavoidable"

Originally posted by Keyhole

Originally posted by yellowcard
We all know that Israel will lure the U.S. to do their bidding...

I sure hope OUR politicians don't get the U.S. involved if Israel attacks Iran without being attacked first!

The American people don't want a military confrontation with Iran.

Only 7 percent support taking military action against Iran.
[edit on 6/6/2008 by Keyhole]

Those polls are skewed, because a) Israel hasn't been attacked/isn't attacking anyone yet...and b) the propaganda machine isn't even on yet. You can't tell me that -no disrespect to evangelicals- many evangelical Christians will see this as a "holy war" and push the numbers up...allowing Congress to do as they like. The U.S. is now a war machine, thanks to the military industrial complex, if you haven't noticed. So...I guess in the end...buy oil, and buy ammo companies. Smith and Wesson anyone?

This also may be an unpopular opinion, but Isreal has every right to be worried.

Was is not Ahmadinejad who has made the statement at least twice now that Isreal will be wiped off the map and destroyed? And Iran has admitted to developing the capability to develop nuclear technology, they say for nuclear power. But remember, Russia offered to assist them with building nuclear reactors for power and Iran declined.

That tells me Iran is developing nuclear capabilities for some other purpose. Isreal is within their right to be worried about them having the capability to develop nuclear weapons. I mean c'mon, even Barack Obama has said "Iran must not get the bomb".

I don't think Isreal would attack Iran without the backing of the majority of the United Nations.

Originally posted by Rook1545
reply to post by Curio

 

I see it happening in quite the opposite way.

I see Israel attacking Iran, and Iran attacking back. This would bring the US into it, and as soon as China and Russia know that their oil interests in Iran are threatened then they will be in there too. I think you could then count on the Iraqis getting more intense with their attacks. All of a sudden you have a full blown war and I am not too sure what happens next. Would China use this as the perfect time to take Taiwan? What would Europe do? This would make for some interesting alliances I think.

Israel knows that they cannot contain Iran. So they will hope for support form the US. The US will possibly join Israel with military strikes from the air. Iran cannot contain the US Airforce or Navy. So the US will destroy a great part of the Iranian airbases, tanks, navy and airforce. But attacks on US groundtroops in Iraq and possibly Afghanistan will certainly intensify. A lot of Iranian fudamentalists will go across the border to fight in Iraq and possibly Afghanistan. Iran has a large paramilitary force so the current number of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan will certainly be to low to contain Iran paramilitary groups.

I don't think this will lead to World War 3. I don't think that China and Russia are going to get into this. Remember that Iran is a "observer country" and not a full member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) alliance. Chinese and Russian economies are doing fine now and I don't think they will ruin all the progress they made over the last decade by starting WW3. On the other hand the US will have to use a thousand times more diplomacy then before the Iraq war (when they ridiculed other nations).

Europe will probably not intervene militarily. But on the other hand if the US joins Israel, the reputation of the US will get another blow. World opnion will again be very critical. Although Iran violates international law, it is still another "preemptive war", because basically Israel (and probably US) started the use of military force.

It think that when the US and Israel stop bombardements, the war is not over. Iran will continue to search for retaliation. This means the US will have to continue the attacks and the US will be in a third long-term conflict along Iraq and Afghanistan. Large bombardments on Iran with smart bombs will certainly cost a lot of money again. I don't know how much wars the US can still fight before their economy get in real trouble. Their economy is already in a bad situation.

I hope that we can still avoid this war. I don't want thousands of people to die. On the other hand a nuclear Iran is also not a nice idea. It remains a very difficult decision whether to go to war or not.

Originally posted by Air_Superiority
As enlightened as many of you like to think you are or pretend to be, you, for the majority, have extremely narrow fields of view and minds.

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I would like to turn that back on you. If you don't honestly think that when push comes to shove and China and Russia's oil supply is danger that they will not attack, you are sorely mistaken. You can't seriously expect that because you are the "good guys", that everyone else will take this lying down do you? Lately Russia seems to have been looking for an excuse to end ties with America, and China, well we all know how well you two play together.

reply to post by Rook1545


Russia will not attack US as long as its elite and rulers keep their money and assets in the west. Actually Russia will have no problem with Iran strike (especially by US, since they gain political points inside the country and outside along financial benefits) but even Israeli strike will sky-rocket oil prices - Russia's main economical corner-stone. About China - i really do not know much but i doubt that they are ready today for full confrontation with US.
This said, i hope that there will be no strike, but as time goes by - damn politicians from every side keep the issue "hot" and temperature is rising. They might bluff, but with rising tones someone may eventually demand to show the cards.

The ones who will suffer in teh event of any action between israel and iran are the people - the leaders who make the desicions will be safely tucked up in the bunkers whilst people just like you and me pay the ultimate price for teh extremeist leaders on both sides.

Originally posted by yellowcard

Those polls are skewed, because ....

The polls are not "skewed".

The question asked was, " In your view, what is the best one way for the US to deal with the current situation in Iran?

The polls are showing how people feel about Iran RIGHT NOW.

How does this make the poll "skewed"?

Of course there are many things that could happen that could change the way people feel about Iran, but none of that has happened yet, and might never happen.

Most everything being talked about here are "IF's".

"IF" Israel attacks Iran.
"IF" Iran attacks Israel.
"IF" Israel attacks Iran would the US help.
"IF' Israel and the US attack Iran would Russia help Iran.

The poll wasn't taken on these "IF's", it merely asked people what their opinion was under the present circumstances.

A new poll would have to be taken to see how people feel "IF" Israel or Iran attack each other.

[edit on 6/6/2008 by Keyhole]

Originally posted by Curio
If there are strikes on Iran it won't result in any major all-out conflict, in my opinion. Iran know that the US will never be dragged into a ground war inside Iran, and trying to go on the offensive themselves will just result in getting annihilated by the US's staggeringly powerful air/naval power - both of which, unlike the army, are far from stretched and itching to go.

What I expect to happen is that Iran will huff & puff, claim their facilities weren't damaged severely and that the attacks failed miserably, trot out a few images of dead civilians for maximum effect and go crying to the UN.

Then they can attack in their own way. Flood Iraq with weapons for the insurgents and turn the place into even more of a hell-hole, and give Hizballah more weapons to really step up the attacks on Israel. Basically make the place a living nightmare for the US/Israel. That's the only way they'll get results in the long run.
I think the US knows this will happen and that public opinion in the US will go rapidly downhill when US forces start losing ground in Iraq and the casualties start rising sharply. They may have to pull out with their tail between their legs, or end up stuck there for years in an even worse situation than they're in now. I believe this is the reason the US hasn't taken on Iran already.

This is the same situation that happened in Afganistan during the cold war, except the roles are switched. We are Russia, Iraq is Afghanistan and oddly enough Iran is playing the US. Iran will funnel weapons and training to militia groups in Iraq, creating a bigger problem for the US, by ensnaring them in an unwinable war that only takes a toll on Iraq, and the US. Iran will try to bleed us in an endless war just like we did to Russia.

History repeats, seems like some of the people that make these decisions would catch on after awhile.

Originally posted by Air_Superiority
Just a few things on some of the retarted comments I've read.

Angry comments from an angry man. Seriously you don't have to blow a gasket to get your point across. Try being more civil!

Originally posted by Air_Superiority
1. Iran does not have ICBMs.

I bet they also don't have any nuclear weapons to speak of. If they did everyone would know and the UN would be on Irans case like a bad dream. Instead we hear america and israel as always war mongering with more pre-emptive strikes based on BS evidence..to put it mildly!

Originally posted by Air_Superiority
2. Isreal could CRUSH Iran's nuke facilities with bunker busters and make them unusable by putting a tactical nuke on it as a cherry on the top.

Really. And how do you know this? Are you a general with access to classified information? Seems rather lame that Iran would spend billions on nukes yet be stupid enough to have them easily destroyed.

Originally posted by Air_Superiority
3. China and Russia wouldn't do anything other than sell weapons and complain.

You are playing a dangerous game my friend. Be careful what you wish!

Originally posted by Air_Superiority
4. As for all the people who think the American people are so oppressed and lied to all the time, take a look at how Iran is run. Tell me that they're not worse off. President Ahmenijad said there is no such thing as homosexuality in Iran, yet I don't see any public outcry to impeach him.

The whole world is oppressed due to incompetant leaders and greedy bussinessman. Anything else?


[edit on 6-6-2008 by EarthCitizen07]

The whole world is oppressed due to incompetant leaders and greedy bussinessman. Anything else?


[edit on 6-6-2008 by EarthCitizen07]

HERE, HERE, Why not just let them slug it out with eachother.

Originally posted by Keyhole

Originally posted by yellowcard

Those polls are skewed, because ....

The polls are not "skewed".

The polls are showing how people feel about Iran RIGHT NOW.

How does this make the poll "skewed"?

Of course there are many things that could happen that could change the way people feel about Iran, but none of that has happened yet, and might never happen.

Most everything being talked about here are "IF's".

"IF" Israel attacks Iran.
"IF" Iran attacks Israel.
"IF" Israel attacks Iran would the US help.
"IF' Israel and the US attack Iran would Russia help Iran.

The poll wasn't taken on these "IF's", it merely asked people what their opinion was under the present circumstances.

A new poll would have to be taken to see how people feel "IF" Israel or Iran attack each other.


[edit on 6/6/2008 by Keyhole]

Yes, but the poll was presented as a "matter of fact" in national opinion, without taking into account current events. That makes the poll completely irrelevant. It's the exact same as taking a poll of invading Afghanistan before 9/11, irrelevant, and thus skewed.

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Israel has bomb the nuclear facilities in the past.I dont see Israel going nuclear over these places.I would hope they understand the consequences in doing so.But irans nuclear capabilities have to go,before they do get the technology to build weapons.

I agree that everybody should just shut the #### up and lets have this god dam war. Each side deserves hell, they're all as bad as each other. Let the war commence.

I remember pakistan and india almost within a inch having a nuclear exchange like 4-5 years ago.Nobody seemed to care then.I remember it being a little caption in the newspaper.

Originally posted by alienstar
I remember pakistan and india almost within a inch having a nuclear exchange like 4-5 years ago.Nobody seemed to care then.I remember it being a little caption in the newspaper.

Your manner, which was advancing in overland, westbury...I forgot what I was going to say. Please excuse my rhetorical flubbery.

With all that's going on, and all these countries at each others throats,
what's the odds of this starting WW3??

reply to post by Rook1545
[Hopefully, when it is safe go outside again after the nuclear war I can make myself a Mad Max style vehicle, I will be forgoing the mullet though.]

OOoooh! I have the exact same plan!!!

I hope I survive, though

reply to post by orby1976


When, not if the attack occurs my opinion is to look for gas prices to sore to $10.00 or $15.00 a gallon and oil hitting $300.00 dollars a barrel if Israel or the U.S. strikes Iran. We had better stock up on a few more food items from the store. Bush knows Israel can not take a chance of being nuked it is do now or die later and there will be chaos in the streets across the world.

Will there be Marshall law in this country if gas goes to $10.00 or $15.00 a gallon? What do you think? Folks listen Israel has already told everyone including the world today that they are going in and are going to take out these nuclear facilities if Iran does not comply. Guess what they are not going to comply so get ready folks. Rik Riley

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er nuke iran as nukes are bad...er....yeah baby!
(Pause.) we love peace, we love it so very much.... so we just gotta make war to peace....um ...peace only leads to war jesus you should know that by now...right on bro, damn its good to speak yer mind!
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