A real American campaign: Never vote Liberal

Originally posted by ybab hsur
reply to post by AnOldFriend

 

i only whip out the ignore button when someone claims something so extreme that it only spits bush-hating.

saying 9/11 was an inside job is the greatest lie of our century, and if you were in any other country, you'd be shot for such treason.

Perhaps you are right. We should not listen to:

130+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials
480+ Engineers and Architects
110+ Pilots and Aviation Professionals
260+ Professors Question 9/11
210+ 9/11 Survivors and Family Members
140+ Artists, Entertainers, and Media Professionals
patriotsquestion911.com...

that question the truth about 9/11.

Silly me.

reply to post by ybab hsur


You keep saying, "debate me" - "prove me wrong".

Your entire thread is based on Opinion

An opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something.

I seem to understand something that you fail to recognize:
That the difference of opinion can never be "right" or "wrong."

I will not debate an opinion because there is no "right" or "wrong" when an opinion is concerned.

Now, if you had said the native language of America is Japanese, then I'd debate you because there is a resolution at the end of that argument. However, you're wanting to make an argument that can never be won.

[edit on 3-6-2008 by tyranny22]

reply to post by tyranny22


No. I see the point you're trying to make, but you're creating a situation that is not possible.

All of the bad people you mentioned, did not start out as bad people.

But if you want to take your scneario and get a response, my response is this:

I would not vote.

Because as far as im concerned, the liberal party is just as corrupt as the nazi and iraqi regimes were in their infantcy.

I think that liberals are after the freedoms that i hold so dearly. What freedoms? Freedom to challange uninspired thought.
Freedom to deny ignorance

freedom to say "HEY! You're wrong and here is why!!!"

notice i never said freedom to blindly say "YOUR WRONG BYE BYE"

if thats a freedom that someoen wants to partake in, fine, whatever, but its ignorance, and i aim to deny ignorance, so i deny ignorant statements and thoughts.

So, you get your apology for being falsly labeled a liberal

but you dont get a retractment for my assertion to never vote liberal. Because you never..ever....should.

reply to post by tyranny22


Forgive me if im wrong, but is that not one of the many purposes of debate? To get others influenced to share your ideals and beliefs?

Im right in my head, as you said, and im also right in the heads of people who agree with what i say.

So...in order to get more people who agree with me, do i not have to say what i believe?

If i just go out on the podium and say

"I BELIEVE" and thats it...people will say "well..what do you believe"?

If i take an approach that say s

well, i ahve the opinion that says i dont want to offend anyone, so, i kind of sort of believe that my political assertion would be _____"

One would appear frail and weak with no backbone for discussion.

If you want to debate me, debate me
if you want to flame me, go somewhere else

Thats the stance i've taken since this thread began. "Here's my opinion and facts to back it up"
Whats yours?

"YOU SUCK YBAB" is not a 'valid' opinion in the context of this thread, its a flame.

Point made

reply to post by ybab hsur


I figured you'd say you wouldn't vote. But, that shows your prejudice.

You'd just as soon have a corrupt and unjust ruler in office than have a liberal there. Though millions could possibly be murdered, it wouldn't bother you as much as having someone who is labeled a "liberal".

"Yeah, many people died, but at least we don't have a liberal running the country that was allowed to make that decision."

reply to post by ybab hsur


I'm not debating that liberal is the right or wrong choice. I'm debating that EVERY liberal is the wrong choice.

It's like saying every Black person sells drugs. Every White person can't dance. Every Asian person can't drive. Every Native American is an alcoholic.

It's a prejudice statement rooted in bigotry.

reply to post by tyranny22


But you're using a situation that could never happen, as i've already said (though im sure you ignored that thread too)

I view liberals as a bad party.
You obviously do not. So to say i hate to vote liberal or dictator, thats ridiculous.

Here's a question for you

Would you rather

loose your dominant hand
loose one leg
loose your vision
or loose the ability to talk

those are the options you're giving me.

I'd rather do "none of the above"

reply to post by tyranny22


and in that context i say this

every black person? Being black a race, not an ideal
Every American Indian (dont use PC garbage like Native-American) ?
Being American Indian is a race, not an ideal

"Liberalism" is not a race
its an ideal

and i say dont vote for anyone who supports the ideals of liberalism

big difference, but nice try.

to use YOUR example

i'll say this:

I dont like people who sell drugs. Dont care if they're white or black
I dont like people who abuse alcohol. Dont care what race they are

I dont like people who support the radical ideals of liberalism. Dont care who they are.

[edit on 3-6-2008 by ybab hsur]

reply to post by ybab hsur


ok.. here is your "debate" on your original post, baby rush

you say liberals do nothing but bash the leader of the free world...SO DID REPUBLICANS DURING THE EIGHT YEARS THAT CLINTON WAS THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD

you say the leaders of the liberal party spew filth that condones a one world government...BUT YOU SHOW A LINK THAT HAS WALTER KRONKITE SAYING THIS...HE IS NOT A LEADER OF THE LIBERAL PARTY

you say the left ignores bill clinton talking about WMD's in Iraq...IN FACT LIBERAL COMMENTATORS AND TALKING HEADS HAVE SAID THAT VERY THING, I HAVE HEARD THEM MYSELF

you say that liberals tell you how to talk and you give a web link...I HAVE NEVER HEARD ANY "LEADER" OF THE LIBERAL PARTY TALK LIKE THAT AS IT PERTAINS TO THE WEB LINK


and about religion...THIS IS THE 21ST CENTURY, NOT THE 400 YRS OF THE DARK AGES, WHERE THERE WAS A MASSIVE GENOCIDE AGAINST NON-BELIEVERS OF GOD.

you say countries that go liberal no longer exists...UHMM... SWEDEN,FINLAND,NORWAY, NEATHERLANDS, SWITZERLAND, FRANCE,BELGUIM, CANADA,ENGLAND,GERMANY, ALL LIBERAL SOCIETIES

Originally posted by ybab hsur


My rant is my basis and support.

You say that, because im conservative, i support McCain.

sort of like saying if somebody is a liberal then they support the WBC.

I don't have alot of time so i'm going to make this post quick... you keep telling people to "prove you wrong" but i don't know what you want them to prove you wrong about... You posted liberal stances and made it blatantly obvious that you don't stand for those ideas. end of story. this shouldn't even be an argument...

Originally posted by dariousg

It's just sad that this guy has baited everyone into fighting with him. That is why I finally put him on ignore. I will debate with reasonable people. I have even been offended by some posts. However, the majority of those posters would argue in a reasonable manner. This guy is a singleminded person that will never listen to reason.

Ancient Chinese proverb:

"Man who argue with fool is an idiot"

Originally posted by jimmyx
reply to post by ybab hsur

 

ok.. here is your "debate" on your original post, baby rush

you say liberals do nothing but bash the leader of the free world...SO DID REPUBLICANS DURING THE EIGHT YEARS THAT CLINTON WAS THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD

Not my point. Im not defending conservatives, im opposing liberals. Can you read?

you say the leaders of the liberal party spew filth that condones a one world government...BUT YOU SHOW A LINK THAT HAS WALTER KRONKITE SAYING THIS...HE IS NOT A LEADER OF THE LIBERAL PARTY

And if you watched that video in its entirety, it shows hillary clinton agreeing with him and congradulating him, though you didnt make it that far because you were too terrified i was right (and i am)

you say the left ignores bill clinton talking about WMD's in Iraq...IN FACT LIBERAL COMMENTATORS AND TALKING HEADS HAVE SAID THAT VERY THING, I HAVE HEARD THEM MYSELF

If thats true, show me where, because i have yet to hear one liberal bashing Bill Clinton. A man who is just as corrupt and hypocritical as George Bush.

you say that liberals tell you how to talk and you give a web link...I HAVE NEVER HEARD ANY "LEADER" OF THE LIBERAL PARTY TALK LIKE THAT AS IT PERTAINS TO THE WEB LINK

Liberals, more than anyone else, perfer you to use "politically correct" terminology. Being PC tells someone how to talk. I know its hard for you to make that association, but do try to keep up

and about religion...THIS IS THE 21ST CENTURY, NOT THE 400 YRS OF THE DARK AGES, WHERE THERE WAS A MASSIVE GENOCIDE AGAINST NON-BELIEVERS OF GOD.

you say countries that go liberal no longer exists...UHMM... SWEDEN,FINLAND,NORWAY, NEATHERLANDS, SWITZERLAND, FRANCE,BELGUIM, CANADA,ENGLAND,GERMANY, ALL LIBERAL SOCIETIES

1.) You use caps too liberally...liberal..And time will tell on those countries. Have much reading up on France's new president have you done? None? Oh, ok, then you cant talk with me about it. He's trying to change that country around for the better, because his predecessors (liberals) have screwed it up so bad.


Ahhh, finally a debate. NOt a very challanging one, that say, Tyranny22, or Havib would offer, but atleast JimmyX is finally coming to terms with the intentions of a debate.

[edit on 3-6-2008 by ybab hsur]

reply to post by WinoBot


And the light of the world shall show you the way!!!!


Its about time. Im not backing one political party over the other. Someone FINALLY got it.

There is no way to defend liberalism, because its corrupt in and of its self.

Thanks Wino

Originally posted by ybab hsur


see, the ignorance in your post, is that you're insinuating that since im so against liberalism, that i must be a far right winger.

sort of like if you're a liberal you support the WBC.... if you're going to draw crazy assumptions that make absolutely no sense, be prepared for justified assumptions that make plenty of sense... from people with plenty of sense.

Originally posted by ybab hsur


Thanks Wino

i was disagreeing with you... but oh well... at least you didn't call me a bleeding heart liberal who wants to end the world.

Originally posted by ybab hsur


Ahhh, finally a debate. NOt a very challanging one, that say, Tyranny22, or Havib would offer, but atleast JimmyX is finally coming to terms with the intentions of a debate.

[edit on 3-6-2008 by ybab hsur]

i also think it's kind of a cop out to say that, when he just used a huge amount of examples to prove you wrong. he took the time out to type all that, you should at least show some respect.

EDIT

my bad, i didn't see the answers to the quotes... i'll go back and re-read.

[edit on 3-6-2008 by WinoBot]

reply to post by WinoBot


LOL
liberal or not, atlest you finally said something that makes sense

You wait and see, i have most posts up my sleeve, and maybe one is just up your alley, who knows.

You dont know who i am or what i stand for, so how can you assert me as a conservative?
You can't.

But kudos to you for finally getting it right.

reply to post by WinoBot


A.) You dont know hte history of me and JimmyX. So you really should set that one out. Also - how is it a cop-out? I rebuttled his arguments. A "cop out" would be someone posting nothing but jibberish, which is what most liberals do anyways. And you can use 99% of the replies to this very thread to prove my statement.


B.) I said

For too long, have we listened to the liberal party bash the leader of the free world, and Protest the burial of our heros

Now - you probably already know this, but i post it for ease of referal. My assertions about the church were

1.) They claim to be liberal
2.) There are liberals who support the church
3.) The church is considered liberal

Did i ever once say that you support the church? If, by saying the church is liberal, you associate yourself iwth the church and take offense, then you're doing yourself a disgrace at your own expense.
I used examples of liberal ideology in their extreme to get my point across. It'd been different if i had said

Winobot supports the church who hates soldiers, because winobot is a liberal

but i never said that, did i

Or.....maybe in liberal-land i did...who knows.

[edit on 3-6-2008 by ybab hsur]

reply to post by ybab hsur

Originally posted by ybab hsur
I say to you, American brothers and sisters, that now is the time to stand up for your right to be an American!!!!

And just what does it mean to be American? I’ll tell you one thing just a few trips to the DMV or the joy of income tax time, or watching the states that the courts decide on who votes count and the FACT that Americans are the most unhappy with there country and it’s direction since they started asking this question in polls. You want us to stand up and be proud of a system that only serves the corporate and Israeli interests. Stand up and be hauled off by the department of homeland security, stand up and be convicted by some clause in the patriot act, or any new draconian legislation making its way through congress now.

For too long, have we set back with our mouths shut in the interest of peace and self-preservation.
For too long, have we listened to the liberal party bash the leader of the free world, and Protest the burial of our heros

Peace, are you serious? Since 1970 we have had war in Vietnam, in the 80’s we had some smaller conflicts Grenada, Panama, and the start of the war on drugs. Then in 1990 we had gulf war 1 then throughout the 90’s we never stopped bombing Iraq and we also had the thing in the Balkans, then in the 2000’s we have had a war on terrorism and gulf war 2 plus the continuing of the drug war.

And since 1970 we have had conservative presidents in Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush 1 and now Bush 2, congress has been run by conservatives from 1994 to 2006, plus was have had a conservative president for the last 8 years. On what you call the liberal side since 1970 we have had Carter and Clinton for a total of 12 years of liberalism in the Whitehouse since 1970. And you really like the way things are? And you really think we should vote conservative? You haven’t had enough of anti constitutional pro corporate government? You haven’t had enough of a government that doesn’t care what you think? On a side note I would be much happier with a 5 party system vs. the system we have now.

Conservatives are related to the Republican Party and now the Republican Party is related to the religious right and you list a nutjob church as your example of liberals, lol that’s rich!

Why haven't we stood up? Why do we continue to let ignorance flourish, and hypocrisy run rampant when the leaders of the liberal party spew filth that condones A one world government

LOL they serve the same Masters but I have a example of the present conservative president pursuing a globalist agenda.

President Bush is pursuing a globalist agenda to create a North American Union, effectively erasing our borders with both Mexico and Canada. This was the hidden agenda behind the Bush administration's true open borders policy.

Secretly, the Bush administration is pursuing a policy to expand NAFTA politically, setting the stage for a North American Union designed to encompass the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. What the Bush administration truly wants is the free, unimpeded movement of people across open borders with Mexico and Canada.
A North American Union to Replace the USA

And a video:

North American Union Traitors Include Chertoff, Rice, Bush

Why, when the liberals very own messiah, Bill Clinton, says things that Support the idea of WMD's in Iraq does it always get ignored when thrown into this argument, by all liberals themselves?

They based there opinions on what they were shown and told, but what they were shown and told was all lies. It was so easy for them to lie, because American media is in there pockets, they tell them what to report and you believe it.

Let us no longer continue to allow these people remain on a pedstal. These liberals are the very people who preach freedom of speech, but then proceed to tell you how to talk

Uh the link you posted has nothing to do with speaking or free speech, let us all remember who invented free speech zones, yup ladies and gentleman it’s a Conservative Republican idea. Now it is common place both parties are using them.

Then there is the other hero's of the liberal movement

Michael Moore says nothing but bad things about oil and defense contractors; calling them ‘war profiteers.’ He also claims to have no stock portfolio, yet he owns shares in Halliburton, Honeywell and Boeing and does his postproduction work in Canada – where he doesn’t have to pay union wages like in the United States. I’m sure his movie was 100% true.

Hmmm has his movies been debunked?

And then, there is the blatantly hypocritical flip flopping that goes on in every nook and crany of the ideology of the left, and radical left.

We will allow a liberal to handle this reply:

These are the people who oppose the execution of child killers, but support the idea of killing of unborn children as an expression of choice.

As opposed to abortion is wrong but war is good and needed because it’s good for no bid contracts for our corporate buddies.

These are the people who think trees have feelings, animals can conceptualize and the fetus is a blob of protoplasm.

Thank God I’m a moderate!!

They think that a moment of silent prayer at the beginning of the school day constitutes government indoctrination and an intrusion on parental authority, while sex education, condom distribution and multiculturalism are values

I don’t have a problem with a moment of silence, but sex can kill you and conservatives don’t really talk about sex other than don’t do it.

They treat our law enforcement officers like filthy pigs for doing their jobs, but then condone criminal activity as a biproduct of a racially fueled law enforcement agency. (side note: Criminals came before law enforcement, if there was never a crime commited, what would be the point of policing it?)

The militarization of our police is pretty much complete thanks to our wars against drugs and terrorism. We live under a tyrannical government and they use the police to keep the population in line, or in a free speech zone. I’m not saying all cops are bad, but the people that run em have a mighty short leash.

They view race riots as justifiable expressions of rage over injustice and fail to see the similarities between a black mob burning a Korean store and a white mob in the Jim Crow era lynching a black man

Perhaps they were justifiable? The riots did make was for a federal trial in which the cops were convicted of violating Rodney Kings civil rights, not that the riot was wrong, but what is a crime to one person can be justice for another.

They claim that "seperation from chuch and state" is in our constitution, but it isn't

They scream freedom of religion, but only when it applies to muslims, jews, and all other non-christian religions.

I personally enjoy the protections of the separation of church and state, however conservatives have admitted to trying to make America a Christian country a theocracy if you will.

They refuse to understand all of the whining about affirmative action and
are more than willing to sacrifice someone else's employment or education opportunity to assuage their conscience

Hmmm welfare for the poor is bad but corporate welfare is good?

They believe that those child-abusing, religious fanatics at Waco had it
coming but the illegal immigrants - roughed up by California deputies - after leading them on a high-speed chase - are the victims of the system

They might be victims of the system in Mexico, why do you think they come here? Would you work for 50 cents a hour or come here and make $6 or $7 a hour, do the math!

They'll also flame me for pointing out that THIS is a great american film --- and why? Because the truth hurts.

I like some of the things Savage says but thank God he isn’t in control.

But hey - if the shoe fits, wear it.

I agree with you here!


I’m not even going to respond with the rest because wow what a life you must live.



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Originally posted by ybab hsur


I used examples of liberal ideology in their extreme to get my point across.

well in that case could i say "conservatives support pedophilia because Mark Foley has some sick jollys?"

left and right aside that was a wack thing to say. you started by generalizing all liberals into one group and then dropped that bomb... without even going into an explanation of what you really meant, thus insinuating that all liberals protest soldiers funerals.

i actually don't really like liberals, or conservatives. i'm very moderate in my ideals. i think you need to tone down the way you bring your point across because if you want people to take you serious you can't be coming off like Bill Orielly or Rush, you need to first respect the fact that other people believe other things then you. even as ridiculous as they seem to you. if you don't people immediately take a negative stance towards what you are going to say.

and i edited my prior post about the cop out thing... that was an error on my part.