Yes I Only Like Obama Cuz He's Black - What's Wrong With That

Originally posted by dgtempe
I dont like him because he's got big ears.
That's my shallow self talking now.

I actually have lost faith in all government, so it doesnt matter to me who gets the coveted title.

I dont want to know anything about the candidates, i can only hope and pray that those that are voting will make the wisest choice if there is a wise choice.

I want Bush OUT. That's my main concern. I want to hear that he's packing and on his way to Paraguay to raise pigs.

DG... Ya know I luv ya! And I like reading most of the stuff you write, but this is the God-Awfullest lack of logic I done ever seen comin' frum yer keyboard. If you want numnuts outta office... Get out there and vote.

Then at least you had a voice and a choice in what happened.

Now... Ahem... Ready for you to unload on me... But I will still respect you in the morning.

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I totally agree with you Solarskye on your point! Vote for the best person for the job, whether they are black, white, woman, man, or whatever.

But (there's always a but) I just want to point out the reason that I talked at length about black vs. white in my post is because it is actually the specific subject of the thread and it is 100% on topic! I'm not saying that you directed your remark to my post specifically (it was to the group in general) but to point out this reminder, the topic as origally posted is:
"Yes I Only Like Obama Cuz He's Black - What's Wrong With That"

Too true is the fact that the topic of the thread SHOULD be a moot subject... but it isn't... because, by the very fact that it was brought up in the first place, it shows us where America is in its evolution of working through racism and who is holding the "proverbial whip" of power at any given moment. That doesn't necessarily refer to race, but could be extended to include gender, religion, or political affiliation.

The fact that we are discussing the topic also demonstrates that this is the first time America has really had to deal with the issue at such a lofty and critical level as the presidency... the leader of the free world for all intents and purposes. Of course Obama may be running a 3rd world country if we don't fix some critical things soon! That's why it is so important to elect a really good person and not just use this election as a forum to prove we have actually overcome racism in America. Obama may or may not be that person, and that's up to each American to decide. But be a real "decider" (like DubYa says he is, LOL) for who the next president is going to be for the right reasons. It's an important election and the wrong decision may lead to us be a country where we prove we are definitely NOT racists, but we are now broke and socialist.

Ok... so in my opinion... the topic exists and we are discussing it and in a perfect world we wouldn't be and shouldn't be... and in that way we are in total agreement!

This topic doesnt interest me a bit but I wanted to see what people were talking about on here. I have nothing against anything you are saying EXCEPT the Native American part.

Have you ever been on a reservation? Ive lived on one for 2 yrs now and the way "our" government has them is a shame. Where I currently live there is one hosipital and thats for tribal members. I guess it wouldnt really be considered a hospital. Its more like a clinic. The doctors there, well they hand out pills like candy. They constanly misdiagnose tribal members and some of them are so old they dont even question it.

The Pine Ridge reservation is the poorest reservation in the US. (not the one i live on) Many have no water, no electricity or sewer.
Suicide in Adolescents is 4 times the national avg. The life expectantcy? 47 for males 50 for females. And this is in America..So please do not say that they cannot claim to be treated unfairly.

Originally posted by ValhallasValkyrie

He might be interested in putting some policies in place to help black people to be treated more equally in this country.

Whoa there....


Blacks treated unfairly?????

Ahem.. do you really want to open this door? Well, obviously you did.. so lets look at this.

Blacks get the United Negro College Fund. Strictly for black people.. whites need not apply. ------ Do white people have a fund like this? Strictly for white people? Let me answer that for you... NOPE.

Social Services - I have learned this one first hand. Because I am white.. working a 40 hour a week job.. and have no children at home now.. I do not qualify for assistance. Never mind that after my bills I have 121 dollars a month to buy food, wash clothes, buy hygiene products. (before you start screaming turn off cable, turn off phone, turn off net... I have none of those at my apt. I do not even own a tv or computer because I cannot afford it.) However, I work with all kinds of black people who have assistance (massive amount of it) and they work same nmbr of hours and make MORE than me, some of them with no children at home.. some with one or two.

Point is.. blacks get assistance more than whites. If I was black, pregnant or had a mess of kids at home, and not working.. I would get all the assistance I could ever want.

So... please kindly tell me how blacks are treated unfairly in this country?? I am so SICK of the blacks are repressed crap I hear.

Blacks are not repressed. They are not oppressed. They are not suppressed.

If a black person has nothing and whines about it - s/he wants a hand out and uses the race card to get it.

If a black person has something and is proud of it - other blacks say he sold out to get where he is.

The only people in this country that I think are entitled to something is the Native Americans and even they cannot claim to be treated unfairly anymore.

VV

Originally posted by atlscribe

Originally posted by lucien

Originally posted by MagicaRose
reply to post by ValhallasValkyrie

 

This is hard for me, as my sister, only a year ago, had a spinal cord injury that left her unable to walk and cognitively impaired. Before her accident, she was working 60 hours a week AND attending graduate school full time.

Your sister's ineptitude has exactly what to do with black people?

It has to do with people who take advantage of the system to gain services they don't need so that they don't have to work. I did not single out black people, but if you want to bring it up, in the area in which I live, it is the black people who abuse the system, have the "hand me everything free because I'm black" mentality, and who are responsible for the most crimes in my area.

Now, if your sister, your wife, your mother needed a service and could not get it because of the abuse in the system, you would be concerned too...at least I would hope so, but then again, I'm not sure since you were low enough to even question the reasoning for my post.

Sorry to hear about your Sister.

People who want "Universal Healthcare" seem to think it is the Magic Bullet to all their medical problems.

Like Lucien stated, services are abused by those who are either lazy or don't have an education. Anytime you make it easy to exploit the system, granted, it will no doubt be exploited. The people who pay for this are the taxpayers. Your taxes go up.

Did you realize that tax for a Universal Healthcare Plan would almost be as much as an individual plan is now?? Would you rather pay the same now and get more quality health care with resources and good service? Having the government manage Health Care would be like having a Biker do advanced Math.

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With all due respect to the original poster, I like Obama cause he's half WHITE also, which makes him a better racial representative of the people who actually make up the majority of the country. He's also half Kenyan via his father. In terms of the usual Black identity in this country, anyone with a trace of pigment is "Black." Jeez, he's Kenyan-American; none of his ancestors were slaves or suffered under the Jim Crow Laws. He has nothing in common with the American Black community except his skin color, which proves that the blacks who blindly support him are racists. Clinton's policies are more "pro-black" than Obamas. No, I'm an Independent/Libertarian. Just watching this with bemusement.

Originally posted by jetxnet
Sorry to hear about your Sister.

People who want "Universal Healthcare" seem to think it is the Magic Bullet to all their medical problems.

Like Lucien stated, services are abused by those who are either lazy or don't have an education. Anytime you make it easy to exploit the system, granted, it will no doubt be exploited. The people who pay for this are the taxpayers. Your taxes go up.

Did you realize that tax for a Universal Healthcare Plan would almost be as much as an individual plan is now?? Would you rather pay the same now and get more quality health care with resources and good service? Having the government manage Health Care would be like having a Biker do advanced Math.

Thank you!

I believe people are seeking solutions to health care, and other issues, because the system is so screwed up. There's no way the government (US tax payer $$) is going to stop giving free food, free health care and free wages to a single mother with 4 kids. So instead of "fixing" the problem, there has to be another alternative for those of us who actually work, who pay taxes and who have legitimate needs. Even if you're in perfect health today, as my sister was, there is no guarantee that tomorrow you may be in a health crisis. What would you do? You cannot get services because your last year's income tax return says that you make 50k. You can't work, so you have no insurance, and cannot afford COBRA. Nobody will, or can, help you. Do you sit back and suffer, or die? This is not acceptable!

Although I understand why so many are against "socialized" health care, for me, personally, it would be the only option that allows my sister to get the health care she needs to LIVE. It would also stop pharmaceutical and health care facilities from charging Americans hundreds of times the cost of medication and medical treatment than in other countries.

This just doesn't affect those like my sister, but also those who are reaching the elderly level. Who's going to assure they have services? Isn't it just as important to make sure our parents are taken care of as it is to ensure that more single mothers and their litters are taken care of?

I'm sick of having my tax dollars spent to raise generations upon generation of beggars who are more than capable of earning an honest wage like the rest of us. What other options do we have?

There really are no good options, unless every able-bodied person were made to work and share the expenses. Alot of people simply don't like to work and find ways to exploit the system for that free ride at the tax payer's expense.

To make the US Government bigger and more responsible seems ludicrous. So many businesses fudge the numbers in collecting taxes. Many people have side businesses just to get all the tax benefits and fudge the books. There are hundreds of loopholes in the IRS taxation model.

Imagine how many there would be with regard to Government Healthcare. Everytime the system is exploited, the loss in money results in yet even higher taxes to compenaste.

Most hospitals now let you drag your bills out to the end of time without Interest. Setting up a payment plan of a 25$/month usually is the best option.

Universities are starting to set up hospital practices and are considerably cheaper than regular hospitals. The inturns in their last year of Med school are mentored by one or two full-fledged Doctors who oversee their work.

Also, the board of directors of hospitals would be Sentators under a Universal Healthcare Plan. You know many will cipe large amounts of taxpayer money for personal again. Obama already has with the Non-Profit Chicago Hospital where is Wife works. Obama saw to it that her income from working there went up 300% or to over 200K per year!! Just for attending a board meeting once awhile. What a load of crap that is!

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I like where your going with the empowerment of an increasingly deteiorating black community and culture at least on the educated level and world acceptance. But Obama is not the only Black in the Senate, if you really want the other names I can give then to you (1.Senator of Massachusetts: Deval Patrick). I also don't think that he'd make any difference with the muslim community except to insight further protests for Obama taking a Muslim name then leaving the religion (think he may be worse to the Terrorists then a woman). Obama also did not grow up in the lower middle class, if anything it would be considered the top eschelon of the middle class if not upper class, as proved by Hillary Clinton and her endless attempts at a smear campaign. In conclusion there is absolutely no reason to vote for a candidate based soley on race, thats like saying if Beetlejuice from the Howard Stern show were a candidate you'd vote for him... Very Very shotty comment.

I'm sure someone else pointed this out by now, but Obama is half White / half Black. You could call him a Black/White or a White/Black He was raised by a White person in fact. He did not experience growing up Black in America.

When this all started the Black community did NOT embrace him and in fact backed Clinton. He was seen as an outsider and not representative of the Black Community. How short peoples memories are these days.

I will add my respects for you being honest.

A wise person would obviously vote for the person who would do the best job. An unwise person votes based on emotion. Both statements are facts, but I have no doubt most vote based on the later which is unwise but very human.

Voting for obama just because he is black. Hmm, it is people like you with your backward thinking that what is wrong with america. What if obama was murderer....I bet you would still vote for him....because he was black huh? Answer me that. For this reason I think if you call 911 for help, you need not deserve get rescued if you were a certain race. I think they should only rescue people of a certain race...sounds ridiculous huh? This is exactly what you are saying. Think before you utter something that looks like a 4 year old kid having a stuttering episode.

it seems this guy doesnt know what he is talking about...how sad...

Originally posted by Blaine91555
I'm sure someone else pointed this out by now, but Obama is half White / half Black. You could call him a Black/White or a White/Black

He was raised by a White person in fact. He did not experience growing up Black in America.

When this all started the Black community did NOT embrace him and in fact backed Clinton. He was seen as an outsider and not representative of the Black Community. How short peoples memories are these days.

I will add my respects for you being honest.

A wise person would obviously vote for the person who would do the best job. An unwise person votes based on emotion. Both statements are facts, but I have no doubt most vote based on the later which is unwise but very human.

Obama did not grow up Black? What kind of ridiculous statement is that? So did his skin just darken once he got older? Look, Black people backed Clinton at first because she had built up a rapport with the Black community due to her husband "The First Black President" as opposed to Obama who was new comer. Things changed once people started getting familiar with Barack and once Hillary's campaign started to show how cut throat they truly were. The fact that you would say something as inane as "Barack didn't grow up Black" goes to show how much you truly DO NOT know about the Black Community and you should refrain from making comments like that in the future. Thank You.

Originally posted by Kamikaze XThe fact that you would say something as inane as "Barack didn't grow up Black" goes to show how much you truly DO NOT know about the Black Community and you should refrain from making comments like that in the future. Thank You.

This is interesting. I see so many Obama followers simply tell people to stop commenting on Obama. In all the discussions on ATS, I've never seen so many people on one side simply tell the other side that they shouldn't be voicing their views. It reminded me of how many people characterize the Obama following as a cult.

Then out of curiosity I looked up the characteristics of a cult. Sure enough, characteristic #3: "Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged."

So that explains it. Even doubt or questioning is discouraged.

Originally posted by jamie83

Originally posted by Kamikaze XThe fact that you would say something as inane as "Barack didn't grow up Black" goes to show how much you truly DO NOT know about the Black Community and you should refrain from making comments like that in the future. Thank You.

This is interesting. I see so many Obama followers simply tell people to stop commenting on Obama. In all the discussions on ATS, I've never seen so many people on one side simply tell the other side that they shouldn't be voicing their views. It reminded me of how many people characterize the Obama following as a cult.

Then out of curiosity I looked up the characteristics of a cult. Sure enough, characteristic #3: "Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged."

So that explains it. Even doubt or questioning is discouraged.

I don't remember telling anyone to stop discussing Obama, rather I told him to stop assuming things he has no knowledge of. To say that someone didn't live a "Black life" when the person is indeed Black is a very ignorant thing to say which leads me to ask what exactly is a "Black life?" Is it living in the "Ghetto" around a bunch of hoodlums with a single mother on food stamps while on section 8? Is that the image that comes to his mind when he thinks of a "Black life." If that is, then he needs to do some serious soul searching and straighten out some misconceptions he has of other people. Living a Black life is nothing more than Living and Being Black, no further requirements. Now do Black people sometimes face things that others don't? Yes. But to say that someone didn't live a Black life simply because they grew up in a middle class neighborhood is borderline if not racist.

[edit on 6/3/08 by Kamikaze X]

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WoooooooooOOOOOOSH! Right over your head! You totally are missing the point of what they are referring to when they said that. Did he/she say they weren't black, NO. He/she was referring to the context at which people and B.O. himself have been asserting. The context in which he knows what it's like to have lived the African American experience, you know, poor areas, crappy schools, not a lot of opportunity ect, ect. That and only that is what they are referring to. So, because there are white people that grew up in a poor trailer park barely getting by while most people just look at them as white trash scum, does that mean I know what it's like to be them just because they are white? Thats ludicrous. Your logic fails so hard it's embarasing. He was basically white bread and had access to public schools since forever in his life. And he is mixed race too so he should embrace both sides and not just the one that he more resembles.

A movie that has a good message is 'Blood in Blood Out' about a half mexican and half white kid that so desperately wants to fit in with the mexicans that he denounces his white side and gets into some real heavy stuff but in the end it all ends up blowing up in his face and he realizes that he needs to except who he is as both white and mexican. You can not change who you are even if you surround yourself with what you want to be. And that is exactly whats happening to Obama, all his associatons with these prideful individuals, the prideful racial comments that come out of his mouth and in his books, his marriage to an obvious racist that can hardly keep her pride in and her mouth shut, it is these things that are coming back to haunt him because he failed to recognize that he is half white. This is karma in action.




[edit on 3-6-2008 by Sheeper]

Originally posted by Kamikaze X
Look, Black people backed Clinton at first because she had built up a rapport with the Black community due to her husband "The First Black President" as opposed to Obama who was new comer. Things changed once people started getting familiar with Barack and once Hillary's campaign started to show how cut throat they truly were.

..and the same people that were saying just how cut throat the Clintons really were 16 years ago are also the same people that are now saying Obama is hiding plenty and cannot be trusted.
Hate to beak it to you but he does not walk on water.

This thread still open?


Mang, what happened to the mods? this thread is racist. As much as I hate obama and wouldn't want him as president, saying stuff like this about blacks is very racist. is the KKK part of an ATS group or something? let's have an old fashion' lynchin already. This thread is racist.

Vote for the better, more educated candidate..Not obama. Vote for Hillary Clinton..She's the best choice!
So because this thread broke all of the TOS I ask the mods to lock it. thanks.

Originally posted by Sheeper
reply to post by Kamikaze X

 

WoooooooooOOOOOOSH! Right over your head! You totally are missing the point of what they are referring to when they said that. Did he/she say they weren't black, NO. He/she was referring to the context at which people and B.O. himself have been asserting. The context in which he knows what it's like to have lived the African American experience, you know, poor areas, crappy schools, not a lot of opportunity ect, ect. That and only that is what they are referring to. So, because there are white people that grew up in a poor trailer park barely getting by while most people just look at them as white trash scum, does that mean I know what it's like to be them just because they are white? Thats ludicrous. Your logic fails so hard it's embarasing. He was basically white bread and had access to public schools since forever in his life. And he is mixed race too so he should embrace both sides and not just the one that he more resembles.

A movie that has a good message is 'Blood in Blood Out' about a half mexican and half white kid that so desperately wants to fit in with the mexicans that he denounces his white side and gets into some real heavy stuff but in the end it all ends up blowing up in his face and he realizes that he needs to except who he is as both white and mexican. You can not change who you are even if you surround yourself with what you want to be.

[edit on 3-6-2008 by Sheeper]

Over my head, how about my post going over yours? If you re-read my post you will see that what I took issue with in his post is exactly what you came in here to explain. The fact that by him not living in a poor, underfunded area, with a lack of opportunity he somehow didn't have an "African-American lifestyle." What you are implying is that all Black Americans grow up impoverished which is a gross generalization. The fact that Obama is Black and born in America means he automatically experiences what it feels like to be Black in America. Now does he know what it feels like to grow up a lower economic class lifestyle maybe not but that also doesn't mean that he doesn't understand what those people go through. You don't have to get shot to know that it hurts. You can go to someone who has been shot and get their account of the ordeal to learn about how it feels. How that applies to what I'm saying is this. He was/is a community organizer on the grassroots level so he knows what the lower economic classes are experiencing because he directly interfaced with them. But all that is irrelevant because growing up Black in a White neighborhood is a whole other struggle in itself. Lastly, if you heard Barack speak you would see he is very much in-tune with the Black Community...he is Black after all. BTW I refer to him as Black because of perception, I know he's only half.

Originally posted by Alxandro

Originally posted by Kamikaze X
Look, Black people backed Clinton at first because she had built up a rapport with the Black community due to her husband "The First Black President" as opposed to Obama who was new comer. Things changed once people started getting familiar with Barack and once Hillary's campaign started to show how cut throat they truly were.

..and the same people that were saying just how cut throat the Clintons really were 16 years ago are also the same people that are now saying Obama is hiding plenty and cannot be trusted.
Hate to beak it to you but he does not walk on water.

Did I say he was a perfect angel? I think not as no man is. But due to his consistency and the way he ran his campaign I and the rest of America feel that he would be the best opponent for John Mccain.