Creationists Will Destroy ATS

reply to post by optimistic skeptic

I love how you give yourself a thumbs up. I think I'll start doing that.

It's supposed to be good news. You sounded worried and stressed out about the concept that those darn christians are so close minded, you can't even have a talk about ETs or lunar anomalies, etc, with 'em. Just dispensing with that particular worry . now if you mean to say that this only happens to you, and only in that one spot, then that must be some kind of phenomenon. otherwise, you should be glad to know, i can sling more pics of lunar and mars anomalies than you can shake a stick at....i think...depends, i guess, on your attention span.

posting cause i don't see my post above ^ (but i bet i will after this post!)

reply to post by undo


haha...trust me, these "darn Christians" that I know are very close-minded when it comes to these topics. Glad to see they're not all like that...

reply to post by optimistic skeptic


there's a bunch. heck even the roman pope suggests the possibility of ETs. new era we are in. cultural norms change, and science / science theory is a cultural norm, as well. of course, the ET theories vary, but one thing many of us invariably believe is that whatever it/they are, some of 'em aren't very nice.

reply to post by undo


I agree. I used to secretly hope to be abducted and taken to the fountain of youth somewhere if it exists...until I read some of the stories on this site! It's refreshing to meet someone like you - a person of faith AND someone who thinks it's ok to assume we're not alone in the universe.

And, I thought it was awesome when the Vatican came out and said it was ok to believe in ETs. However, I don't know many Catholics. Most of my family and friends are hard-core Southern Baptist and would never broach the subject at all.

Anyway, thanks again for sharing

reply to post by optimistic skeptic


i tend to view those types of folks like Bilbo, Sam, Frodo, Merry and Pippin thought of the hobbit folk back home. Quaint and heartwarming. Not threatening, just blissfully satisfied to go along with their every day lives and minor differences. The universe is a big place and there's room for every kind of person, or to put it another way....

In my Father's house are many mansions.





[edit on 6-6-2008 by undo]

The creationists, though, are another matter. They are the people I referred to earlier, the ones who ended their quest for meaning in life by immersing themselves in some degenerate offshoot of the Christian religion. They are not a fringe; their name is Legion. And as they spread across the board, they leach the life out of discussions about FTs, science and technology, political, social and educational issues and even some of the frivolous threads on BTS.

Wow! If reading all of these pages of response to the opening thread, isn't a "testament" to what you say here, I don't know what in the tar nation is? Excellent post once again (O.P.), and lets all stand and give a round of applause to the religious brethren, *ahem* creationists, who did as predicted (prediction of course based on observation), supporting quite well actually, the premise.

In the name of transparency, rackets world wide, glistening debauchery, and the gods of discontent, congratulations on a most wonderful contribution!

congratulations on a most wonderful contribution!

Erm, hmm... Interesting response. Well whatever floats your boat, I guess.

reply to post by undo


No need for being humble. The congradulations of course is for the marvelous contributions supporting the premise of the O.P. Or didn't I explain that? Anyway, and this coming from Skyshow, congradualations for all your support. Now there can no longer be any doubt whatsoever as to the validity of what this thread is about when it was created.

I'm sure I'll enjoy the next two or three pages that will no doubt follow.

reply to post by skyshow


Unless Asty's alter ego shows up, it's unlikely this thread will see much more discussion than my own with you and whoever else he manages to conjure up. Interesting fellow that. I believe Ashley left for greener pastures. Anything in particular you'd like to discuss?

yeah, I guess until more pot holes emerge, no need for the road crew to come back, this one's already been filled. The detour shure did seem to scare a lot of motorists off though while the patch work was being done, and did you see the amount of workers? How many on the pay roll really does it take to patch up a few of these small ones anyway? One guy does all the work and the other four or five stand around, maybe shovel one scoop and then pat the main guy on the shoulder when it's all done.

Oh well, now that they have left, and few motorists traveling this stretch, I can sit out here in the lawn chair and listen to the birds chirp and enjoy this cold bottle of Paulaner Hefe-Weizen knowing that the city continues to grow and with it thousands of miles of pavement. Ooops, is that a pot hole right over there?

"Of the God Emperor, several things are certain. His voluminous dictatel recordings are largely self-serving and completely lacking in objectivity. Consider his famous statement, one he reiterated again and again, before any audience: "Only fools prefer the past!" Yet has there been any person-if one may refer to Leto as a person-in the thousands of years of recorded history who was so totally dominated by the past as Leto himself" - Excerpt, Atreides, Leto II, Dune Encyclopedia

www.thestargates.com...

Originally posted by undo
gads, you like jung? i hope you don't like jung. the guy hated women and had to come up with some fancy psycho babble to support his position and make it sound formal and medically accurate

Where did I say I like Jung or Freud? You couldnt quote me on that anywhere.

What I dont like is xians going around telling us what we´re supposed to read/discuss and what not and will defend freedom of thought forever and ever.

reply to post by Skyfloating


When I go to university, you know what they tell me?
The atheist version of history. They make me pay for
the atheist version of history. If I don't answer the questions
correctly about the atheist version of history, I'm given a bad
grade (course, this would be true no matter what class it was
but you get the idea... if you don't agree, that's just too bad.
you will be tested on it and expected to agree with it, regardless).
If you don't agree with it,no matter how much evidence you feel
you have to the contrary, there's obviously something wrong with
you. You are stupid or slow witted. The mischaracterizations
are rampant. Yeah there are some christians who act the same
way, but that doesn't mean I condone it nor does it mean you
will be given a test on it and expected to agree with it or else
you're stupid.

Here's an example of how I see the whole thing, and you are not
stupid if you don't agree with it, nor are you ignorant. But at least,
you get to see more than one version of the last 6000 years of
written history.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Astyanax


I think somewhere in time its been said that all that is hidden will be revealed.

With the Truth, there is really nothing to hide or nothing to debunk but bunk itself now is there.

What we talk about here is really nothing all that top secret now is it. The label ATS is hypocritical in nature. What is done here, by credible people is shed light on lies, and therefore we slay ignorance and fortify the Truth.

So when all that is hidden becomes revealed, will that not be the unveiling of the Truth and the end of lies and misunderstanding? Right you are, it will indeed be the end of ATS as the Truth will be known.

Not by the hand of creationists, but by the sole hand of the creator.

Peace


[edit on 7-6-2008 by HIFIGUY]

Ah, back on topic at last

Originally posted by undo
When I go to university, you know what they tell me? The atheist version of history. They make me pay for the atheist version of history.

How many versions of history are there? Famously, dozens. But when you go to university to study history, you study the bits of history we know are true because we have documentary evidence to prove them. Primary sources and secondary sources, you know? If you stay in university and get your postgraduate degree, you will deal directly with those sources. Where the sources are open to multiple interpretations, these will be discussed.

You will be an historian. You will know how the Atheist Version of history was assembled. And you will, by then, know that it isn't the Atheist Version at all but simply the Scholars' Version. You will discover that it is held to by historians who are personally religious as well as by agnostics and atheists. And you will hold to it too, because it will have been amply proved to you.

Why am I addressing this? Because your argument is the basic creationist argument. And you have plainly shown, with your example, why it is wrong.

What you really want is to have your version of history taught in schools. Well, it's easy to do that. Just provide enough evidence to show that your version is right, and theirs is not. But you can't, of course. If you did, you'd be teaching history at university, not arguing about it on Above Top Secret.

So in place of that essential evidence, you cry

'Unfair! If you can teach your version we should be allowed to teach ours!'

No problem. Just show us the proof.

If I don't answer the questions correctly about the atheist version of history I'm given a bad grade (course, this would be true no matter what class it was but you get the idea... if you don't agree, that's just too bad).

In maths class you get a bad grade if you disagree that 2 + 2 = 4.

In chemistry class you get a bad grade if you disagree that sodium is monovalent.

In home science class you get a bad grade if you disagree about the amounts of salt and sugar in your cake mix.

See what I mean?

[edit on 8-6-2008 by Astyanax]

reply to post by Astyanax


No undos right. Just because on small elitist sector of society takes control of the university system doesn't make their beliefs accurate. The Soviet Universities taught that communism was the superior political ideology did that make it true? NO.

reply to post by undo


Yes I know. First it was religions doing it (yes I read your new thread on German Higher Critisism) and then it was Universities doing it.

Attempted suppression of Information runs rampant.

Not one day goes by without someone posting what someone else should or should not say, should or should not read, should or should not post.

But be careful that you dont display the same tendencies as you did one page ago.


Just a little reminder of what you said that is doing the same thing you blame others for:

It's my earnest belief that any creationist currently posting to this thread, should not post in those threads at all.

[edit on 8-6-2008 by Skyfloating]

reply to post by Astyanax


er, no, what you have is a history partially based on roman catholic interpretation and atheism, rolled up in a nice little package.

reply to post by Skyfloating

Just a little reminder of what you said that is doing the same thing you blame others for:

That was back when I thought asty was trying to bait people into the behavior he claimed we were going to destroy the board with. i've been here 2 years, and i've yet to destroy the board, nor was it a goal of mine.