My family was robbed President Bush

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The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in Germany's Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride's supposed effect on children's teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission. (Ref. book: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin.)

I'm sure the govt had no idea about it.........

Originally posted by vehemes terra eternus

Jaime stop being a twat.

Is that what pointing out the hypocrisy and fallacies of an argument is called these days? A twat?

Yes it is the lifestyle we choose but it also the lifestyle we have been brought up with. You think you could handle living in a city with a wife, 2 children, a dog........ and no car?

So you're admitting that it's about lifestyle. Nobody brought you up with a wfie and made you have 2 children. These were your choices. It's also your choice to live in a city. And yes, millions of people live in a city without a car.

Try visiting China or India sometime.

Face it, the problem isn't the government, it's the individual choices which are being made by the people on the planet who CHOOSE to use gas, who CHOOSE to enjoy the comforts that are fueled by oil.

So what this really comes down to is a question of what is a person willing to do in order to enjoy the comforts in life they wish to experience. Of course it is far easier to blame somebody else for one's problems, isn't it?

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China is the second highest consumers of oil and expected to exceed the U.S. in just a couple of years.

Originally posted by Cythraul

Originally posted by jamie83
If you think driving is a necessity, answer this:

How many BILLIONS of people on the planet earth do NOT own a car? Yes somehow they survive.

You haven't really put much thought into this have you. The reason BILLIONS of people don't drive is because their way of life allows them to make a living by walking to the field outside their village and farming, or some other agricultural work. Are we all supposed to set up farms outside our homes? No - the reality is that in order for all of us to make a living in our post-agricultural Western World, we have to TRAVEL.

You make me laugh. It's apparent you haven't put much thought into this or you would realize that you're making my point.

Yes, if you choose to live with the comforts of "post-agricultural Western World" you will have to live a certain way. If you choose to live a sparse life in the country and be self-sufficient you don't need a car. If you choose to live in downtown Manhattan you don't need a car.

In fact, there are countless lifestyles you can choose in which the price of oil has little impact on you.

EDIT TO ADD: I'd love nothing more than to get rid of my car. I've pondered the feasibilty of it every which way for a couple of years now but I just can't make it work, even though I'm flexible as to how I make a living.

[edit on 30/5/2008 by Cythraul]

Again, you are displaying that your lot in life is the result of the conscious choices you make. It's your own decisions that lead to the problems you complain about.

Look around where you're at right now. Look at all the things you've bought. Look at all your furniture, your clothes, your computer, your video games, your car, and all the other items you've spent money on in your lifetime. These were choices. This is the culture you willingly choose to participate in.

If you can't face the fact that your lifestyle is your own choice you'll never get beyond blaming other people. This is what's sometimes referred to as "learned helplessness."

There is nothing stopping you from selling your car and putting yourself in a position where you'd have to survive without it. You're just afraid of the consequences this choice would bring.

In any event, getting back on topic, the POTUS hasn't robbed anybody of anything.

Man, what fools people are...they don't even know that the only three ways to get around are cars, public transport and walking. What are those idiots doing riding bikes all over.

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Are you serious The POTUS hasn't robbed you of anything? How about an unbiased media for starters.

You said the problem isn't the government, it's the people.
Yes there are too many cars and a high demand for oil and petrol, which is the governments fault!!!

Instead of looking for a solution, whether it be better public transport, alternative fuels or any of the numerous options, they violently oppose an alternative. They would rather continue the death march to secure an outdated energy source so they can remain in power and further their agenda.

I do not have children or a wife or a dog or a car. I am 23 and I live in a small but lovely town in New Zealand. I can however, understand the 'need' for a car in certain circumstances in today's society.

peace

Bush began his industry career in 1979, when he established Arbusto Energy, an oil and gas exploration company he financed with his education trust fund surplus and money from other investors, including Dorothy Bush, Lewis Lehrman, William Henry Draper III, Bill Gammell, and James R. Bath, the last of whom represented Salem bin Laden, a half-brother and cousin of Osama bin Laden. In 1984, Bush sold the company, hurt in the wake of the 1979 energy crisis, to Spectrum 7, another Texas gas exploration firm. Under the terms of the sale, Bush became CEO (Chief Executive Officer). Spectrum 7 lost revenue and was merged into Harken Energy Corporation in 1986, with Bush becoming a director of Harken.

Originally posted by sos37

Originally posted by scottie18
Two comments:

1) I have read all of the posts by the OP and I see a person who wants to blame everyone else while he claims to be hurting and is unwilling to make any real changes. The guy whines about how bad it is and then talks about giving $5 per tooth to his kids. I'd say it's pretty obvious where the real issue lies.

That's what I was saying. Amen!

I have to agree. I feel bad about the children however. I know how expensive they can be (basic needs) and I brought mine up when the economy was decent. Still reality is what it is and it doe's nil to complain. I can blame Bush the N.W.O or aliens but it does not change day to day survival and what it entails.

Originally posted by vehemes terra eternus
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Are you serious

The POTUS hasn't robbed you of anything? How about an unbiased media for starters.

To the extent the media is biased, it is not the result of anything done by the POTUS. I usually don't take anything the MSM says seriously. If people quit consuming MSM products, they wouldn't be in business, would they?

You said the problem isn't the government, it's the people.
Yes there are too many cars and a high demand for oil and petrol, which is the governments fault!!!

The high demand for oil is the result of billions of people wanting a better way of life. Oil provides the energy to modernize our society out of the dark ages. How in the world does this have anything to do with ANY government?

Technological advancement is powered by energy released when oil is consumed. Our advancement as a society is directly driven by energy produced from oil.

Instead of looking for a solution, whether it be better public transport, alternative fuels or any of the numerous options, they violently oppose an alternative. They would rather continue the death march to secure an outdated energy source so they can remain in power and further their agenda.

This attitude you express is the underlying cause of many of the problems you complain about. It is NOT the government's job to find a solution to these problems. In the history of modern society, there have been very few solutions to any problems discovered by any government.

Individuals and businesses, driven by the goal of getting paid by providing value to the large masses of people, have discovered most solutions.

I can however, understand the 'need' for a car in certain circumstances in today's society.

peace

You put the word "need" in quotes because you realize that it's a misuse of the word. People do not "need" gasoline or cars. They want the benefits that cars provide.

Again, it IS that simple.

I hear you man. Living in Cali as a single parent is tough.


By Paul Van Eeden of www.paulvaneeden.com
Bush and his cronies are thieves. If they would stop printing so much
money, the value would not go down and prices would stay level, instead
of keep rising higher. It would be no problem if everyone got a raise
everytime more money was printed, but it doesnt work like that.

January 1970 it took 1.151 “euros” to buy a dollar. Today it takes 0.644 euros to buy a dollar. From this exchange rate we can see that the oil price would have been 44% lower today were it not for the decline of the US dollar exchange rate. That would make the oil price, not $120 a barrel, but only $67 a barrel. In other words, the oil price is approximately 80% higher today than it would have been if the government was not so hell-bent on destroying the dollar.

For those who cannot fathom that it’s as simple as this, or that inflation of the money supply directly affects the value of the dollar, consider these words from Ben Bernanke, the current Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve Bank of the United States, in a speech he made on November 21, 2002 before the National Economists Club in Washington, D.C.: “Like gold, U.S. dollars have value only to the extent that they are strictly limited in supply. But the U.S. government has a technology, called a printing press (or, today, its electronic equivalent), that allows it to produce as many U.S. dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost. By increasing the number of U.S. dollars in circulation, or even by credibly threatening to do so, the U.S. government can also reduce the value of a dollar in terms of goods and services, which is equivalent to raising the prices in dollars of those goods and services.”

the idea that OPEC is somehow to blame for the rise in the oil price is absurd. Oil price is trying desperately to catch up with the dollar’s inflation. In fact, if anything, oil companies and oil producers have been subsidizing American gasoline consumers for the past 22 years!

Blame the manipulators!…the ones with reserved parking spaces at the Federal Reserve.

This really is the OP's fault.

It is he who has made the choice to continue to live, no one makes him.

He fuels his addiction to this culture with money, simultaneously passing on his addiction to money to his children and further enabling his wife in furtherance of her own addiction to this culture.

You don't need money, but you choose it because you are an anti-earth, planet hating carbon human who only cares about his own survival and that of his families.

You turned to money to provide you this lifestyle - so don't bitch when it loses it's purchasing power. Shut up when your food doubles in price over 10 years...

No one makes you eat it. No one makes you buy it.

People all over the world get buy perfectly well without the luxuries of our society. Their short lifespans (25-44 yrs.) is a testament to mans ability to survive and get by. Why can't The OP do what billions of the world's most poor, diseased starving masses do everyday....

...Living in harmony with nature and having low carbon footprint.

Shame on you for bringing your children into your horrible societal addiction. Shame on you for believing that you lived in the "Land of Opportunity"

Don't people know that they have to sacrifice? Money is just another one of man's ways of raping the Earth, you should be glad it is becoming useless.

Could you imagine a world where everyone demanded the same standards of living as this OP does?

Bad slave... Bad.

Originally posted by gauncents
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China is the second highest consumers of oil and expected to exceed the U.S. in just a couple of years.

Yes, demand from China is what drives the price of oil to a great extent.

So how can any POTUS make the price of oil drop if China has money and is willing to pay for billions of barrels of oil at $200 a barrel?

The ONLY thing that will drop the price of oil is for the supply to outstrip the demand, and yet the U.S. Congress continues to limit the supply of oil produced by the U.S.

If anybody is robbing anybody, it's the U.S. Congress.

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I really thought for a second that post wasn't going the direction I thought.

Nicely said. Thank you for your thoughts. Star for you!!

Originally posted by doctormcauley


People all over the world get buy perfectly well without the luxuries of our society. Their short lifespans (25-44 yrs.) is a testament to mans ability to survive and get by. Why can't The OP do what billions of the world's most poor, diseased starving masses do everyday....

...Living in harmony with nature and having low carbon footprint.

I've spent much time in Fiji, and what you say is true. There is a huge segment of the Fijian culture that enjoys life more than anybody I've met in the U.S. or U.K. They are only poor as defined by the "West". Their daily lives are what we work all year to strive for by paying $10,000 for a week spent in Fiji. They wonder why we work all year to afford to do what they do for nothing everyday.

So here's the point. People can choose whatever lifestyle they want. If you want to enjoy the benefits of Western culture, you must recognize that the energy that fuels almost everything you enjoy comes from oil. You must know going in that the price of oil can increase and be prepared. It's part of the game you decided to play.

To wake up one day after choosing to play this game and whine that it's not fair doesn't help anybody, least of all the person who's whining.

As far as congress in concerned...

The relationship between the President and the Congress reflects that between the English monarchy and parliament at the time of the framing of the United States Constitution. Congress can legislate to constrain the President's executive power, even with respect to his command of the armed forces. However, this power is used only very rarely.

There is no reason to be so heavily dependent on oil. They will cling on to the power teat for as long as they can. It makes sense for them I guess. Why hand the reins to someone with a solution. They'd miss out on the trillions to be made from war, with the added bonus of, yes you guessed it, more oil!!!!

This attitude you express is the underlying cause of many of the problems you complain about. It is NOT the government's job to find a solution to these problems. In the history of modern society, there have been very few solutions to any problems discovered by any government.

that's because they are the ones causing the problems! particularly this one!

Was going to say more but I see Josephine has laid it all out there for me,

I hear what your saying jaime, but you have to realise that they have their fingers in almost every pie now.

peace

[edit on 30/5/08 by vehemes terra eternus]

My last post was sarcasm... Sadly some of you actually agreed with it.

Americans are done for.

Originally posted by gauncents
As far as congress in concerned...

The relationship between the President and the Congress reflects that between the English monarchy and parliament at the time of the framing of the United States Constitution. Congress can legislate to constrain the President's executive power, even with respect to his command of the armed forces. However, this power is used only very rarely.

You really should take the "Deny Ignorance" motto more seriously.

Congress passes the laws, the President must sign them or veto them, and Congress can override the veto.

Congress has made it ILLEGAL to drill for oil in ANWR. Congress has made it ILLEGAL to drill from oil off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts of the United States. Congress has regulated the oil industry to the point that there has not been a new oil refinery built in the U.S. in 30 years.

The supply of oil has been severely limited by Congress. The lack of supply is causing countries which want more oil, like China, to be willing to pay higher prices.

If the demand goes up and the supply does not increase proportionally, prices will skyrocket, which is what is happening now.

At some point this will become common knowledge and the public will be outraged at what the Congress has done for the last 30 years to cause the prices to skyrocket.

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I know, that's what I meant when I said I thought it was going in a different direction for a min.

I loved to sarcasm. Thing is, that's what most people are saying with all seriousness.