Why do you believe in Extra Terrestrials?

reply to post by jedimiller


Yes I believe they "exist", and since the universe is infinite, and multi dimensional , there are infinite amounts of alien races. All shapes and sizes. Even another planet called earth with me sitting here typing this exact quote, only maybe I'm wearing blue shorts, instead of black.

Do I believe aliens have contacted earth, or any earthling has contacted an alien, no. Not yet. Not until I see better evidence. Even the eveidence I've heard is pretty poor. If I came to ATS to hear about stories, i have zero way of verifying, I'd simple read a good Graphic Novel, instead; and often do.

A wise man once told me, believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see. Sure I've seen lots of crazy stuff while on '___' in my youth, and even wierder stuff while I was unconcious(sp?) for 3 days after a terrible accident. But that is just the brain being flooded with chemicals, and hallucinations.

Originally posted by jedimiller
now here's the question. I placed 100 boxes looking down on the floor. In one of the boxes there's a Lizard when you turn the box over. Now, you know that under one of those boxes there's a Geico lizard. Now how about the other 99 boxes? do you assume that there's a Lizard in every one of those boxes or none at all and why?

1 in 99 is ALOT different than 1 in INFINITY.

If I knew there were only 99 other planets in the universe besides Earth, i'd say no I do not believe in aliens or other forms of sentient life outside of earth.



[edit on 20-5-2008 by Nola213]

reply to post by Denied


Well that is only a tiny fraction of the actual universe. Renowned physicist Briane Greene wrote an great book called "Fabric of the Cosmos", which anyone interested in physics, astronomy, quantum physics, and astrophysics should read, then re-read.

Anyways, in this book he breaks down spatial expanse. And basically the space in the universe is causing everything to accelerate apart. In fact, spatial expanse is so rapid that we can't even see the majority of the universe since the light hasn't even reach us yet.

We only can observe 100 billion galaxies or so. The truth is these galaxies amount to the equivalent of a grain of sand, with the rest of the cosmos being the equivalent of the entire earth in this analogy. It's a tough analogy to process, but it sure is amazing that 100 billion galaxies are nothing more than the tiniest bit of the universe. Reason and logic dictate that in a universe that is essentially infinite, lives of all sorts surely exist throughout it. No tangible proof or faith is necesary in something that is so obviously fact.

In our night sky, visible with telescopes can be seen seventy sextillion stars. That's seventy thousand, million, million, million stars. That’s ten times more, than the number of grains of sand there are in the whole world.

How can there not be something else out there?
Maybe a race that's in the very early or very late stages of development? Maybe even a lifeform that's died out? Between space and time, it is almost statisically im[possible for us to be the only lifeform.

reply to post by jkrog08


I do believe in God. I understand where you're coming from on the faith angle, but to me belief in God is a true religion, something I look forward to as far as eternal life goes. I have the Bible to turn to and the power of prayer for communication with the almighty.

The universe, the galaxies, black holes, gravity, stars, planets, all of the elements, laws of physics and everything else is such a complex machine all working together in unison for whatever purpose (maybe all of that is needed to sustain life in little pockets around the universe). I simply do not accept the explanation of modern science that all of these things came together by random chance; that all of the perfectly aligned and designed factors and laws are just mere happenings of some random event called the big bang (which is a really lousy "spaghetti" explanation in my opinion). If you have not read it, there's a book called "The Golden Ratio: The Story of Phi, the World's Most Astonishing Number" by Mario Livio. It's a fantastic read and to me screams that "intelligent design" was behind setting these mathematical properties into motion.

As far as UFOs and aliens, I don't consider them to be in the same class as God although I do understand that to some unadvanced civilizations a far superior life form may look God-like.

It's hard to put into words so I guess I'll state it as best I can: I believe that my belief in God and my eternal life go hand in hand whereas my belief in extraterrestrials and my eternal life do not.

Let me explain why i believe in Aliens:

Firstly i am an Astrophysicist. Here is an analogy my professor gave us in our cosmology lecture which i will never forget.

People ofter wonder about the size of the universe and how many galaxies are in it. Here is a nice way to picture it.

Take a room 5metres by 5metres by 5 metres (125m3). Now if you take a pin head (1 mm3) and start stacking up all those little pin heads on top of each other, you will eventually fill the room up with pin heads, and the amount will be in the region of 10e11 pin heads. (Thats a lot). Now each of these pin heads represents a GALAXY! Thats roughly how many galaxies are in our universe (and that is FACT - proven by astronomical observations). Now each galaxy is on average 75000 light years in diameter, but in this analogy 1mm3 (or 1mm diameter). Now just imagine that these pin heads are spread out over hundreds of thousands of light years throughout the universe.

So asking the question again - Do you believe there is alien life out there?

Well if you can comprehend that analogy then the answer is a 100% YES, just because we exist, it seems mathmatically probable that as we exist then in this vast universe there MUST be other life.

Sorry it was not a short post. This is not proof, only mathmatical fact, that implies life should exist apart from us, otherwise what an aweful waste of space :-)

Peace.

Originally posted by Acidtastic
purely for the fact that there are between 200 and 400 BILLION stars in our galaxy alone,and a further uncountable billion galaxies just like it. It is plain laughable and a little arrogant to think that we've the only place where life has evolved. races will have been around for millions of years before us,and will be millions of years more advanced than us. (IMO)

I totally agree with this! It just doesnt make sense to me that we are the ONLY life forms in this entire universe. I mean, what happened to make us, just HAS to happen at least one other place!

reply to post by WitnessFromAfar


Thanks for the welcome, Witness! I will get to reading about the Battle of LA. I think I've seen a glimpse of it before, a picture posted somewhere that showed spotlights converging on something in the sky. That may be something else, completely though. I'm looking forward to really getting into the account.

When I first read about the California drones I got real excited. But then I read the supposed documents taken from the military installation by the anonymous employee. The first thing that jumped out at me was 'why give exact dates and other details of your employment if you're trying to keep a low profile?' There were other inconsistencies also. Also,if the goal of that group was to reverse engineer technology for profit, why haven't we seen any really fantastic inventions suddenly appear out of nowhere or is the public just not aware of them?

Serpo would be a fantastic tale if it were true. It ties in with Bob Lazar's claim that we had craft at Area 51 from aliens in the Zeta Reticuli system and also ties in with a popular sighting by a police officer in Socorro, NM in 1964. The Heim theory of propulsion trhough hyperspace is also widely accepted by the scientific community as plausible, but untested. But still that doubt remains. Where are the pictures that anonymous was going to post?

The rumors about Dulce Base in NM are also fascinating, but also seem quite fanciful. What kind of turned me off that whole scenario was the claim of there being several different kinds of aliens, the Nords, the Lizard people, the Greys, all living in this one establishment.

Now here are some things I did find extremely interesting and very hard to explain:

* President Reagan's famous "what if" mention of aliens visiting Earth in a public speech. I mean where did that come from? It's like he was trying to tell people something without full disclosure.

* This case - www.ufoevidence.org...

Really strange occurrence. I dunno, something about this one strikes me as believable.

* The Belgium triangle UFO sightings back in the 90's

* This pic, if real, scares the hell out of me for some reason:
www.ufoevidence.org...

That craft must be massive in size.

* And last but certainly not least, this footage of some kind of object crashing at White Sands:
www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by jedimiller
Yet, Scientists are certain that there is no life on this solar system. Gas planets cannot hold life, Mars is too remote and too unstable. venus is a mess. So I can safely assume that there's no life on this solar system other than us.

Jedimiller, did you read my posts? Scientists say no such thing. What they say is that we have yet to confirm the discovery of life on any other world in our Solar System.

That's a vastly different statement than a declaration that the Solar System is devoid of life.

You cannot safely assume that there is no life in this Solar System other than us, (by us I'm hoping you meant Earth as opposed to Humans, because there is a lot of other life here on Earth besides 'us' )

Let's just say you didn't read my earlier posts, I'll summarize. Life in our solar system is possible (IMHO) in the following places:

Life as we know it:
-Europa (Moon of Jupiter)
-Ganymede (Moon of Jupiter)
-Callisto (Moon of Jupiter)
-Mars
-Io (If we're talking about extremophiles that derive energy from vulcanism, also a Moon of Jupiter)

Life different than us:
-All of the above places
-Titan (Moon of Saturn)
-Venus
-Jupiter (In the high altitude atmosphere, life is possible)
-Saturn (In the high altitude atmosphere, life is possible)

Let's not forget to mention Iepatus, which is basically the strangest space rock I've ever laid eyes on. It seems (through analysis of NASA imaging of Iepatus) that the moon displays internal geometry!?!?

In summary, Scientists are actively looking for life in many of these places, both life similar to our own, and life vastly different from ours.

To date, no definitive statement has been made (nor has enough data been gathered to form a definitive conclusion) on whether or not other worlds in our Solar System hold life.

We just haven't found any yet that has been confirmed.

But honestly, what do you think you're seeing in this picture?



The image on the left is real color (as close as possible) The image on the right is false color, but DOES illustrate different surface components with those altered colors...

The leading theory to date holds that the cracks in Europa are where liquid water is upwelling from below (due to tidal heating). These conditions set up on Europa are basically a life factory, if our current theories of the development of life on our own planet are to be believed.

-WFA

I believe in ET-life for the following reasons:

- The Cosmos is enormous, it’s silly to even seriously consider humans are the only intelligent life-form out here/there.
- Humans can only ‘see’ in a limited (Light) spectrum, what about the range where ‘things/life’ exists and we have no visibility?
- There is circumstantial evidence enough. Why are such stories (new/ancient), channelings and pictures (new/ancient) ridiculed? Why are there so many hoaxes? (To hide the real info that is out there somewhere??)


- Governments hide information about ET’s for various reasons, like
• the conflict it will give with Religion in general
• pure self-interest, based on power and economics
• they simply don’t want EVERYBODY to know what’s going on (yet)
- I have seen an UFO myself ( I believe SOMETHING/SOMEONE intelligent must fly them, since I believe they are from Outer Space, the passengers must be ET’s)
- I have seen orbs (www.newsmonster.co.uk...)
- ET’s don’t have to be exactly like humans or even look like us. It can be a totally different life-form that doesn’t look like humans ever could imagine.
- Since my early childhood I had ‘something special’ with Orion and the Pleiades (yrs later I found out some Earthlings sad they had actual contact with ‘ET’s’ from those Cosmic regions.
- Crop Circles do have ‘messages’ written in code (read ‘Gods and Their Secrets: History of Mankind, Written in the Grain’ www.amazon.com...)
- Humans do think they know SO MUCH but yet know so little ….. (we don’t even use the full capacity of our brain)
- Science is catching up , like CERN (European Organization for Nuclear Research):
• LHC: 7000 physicists are busy with experiments such as ATLAS and CMS at the Large Hadron Collider (particle accelerator to find the Higgs boson)
• The Grid: separating fact from fiction (projects already help researchers search for new wheat genes, predict storms, or simulate the Sun’s interior)
- String Theory, Quantum and Multiple Dimensions (There are ‘bridges’ and ‘porches’ where through ET-life travels)
• ST: www.superstringtheory.com
• QT: www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1E1-quantumt.html
• MD: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070201144857.htm

reply to post by kam6670


Please tell us the whole story about microwaving the hotdog into another dimension.

Im not kidding at all this is the kind of thing that made me get into the paranormal in the first place.

reply to post by jedimiller


In order to respect your wish for a personal answer to your question, I have purposely not read any other posts on this thread or made reference to external sources - I therefore apologise in advance for any repetition.

As I walk around my garden, I can see plants of various kinds, grass, trees, shrubs, birds, a squirrel and some insects - and of course, I am there too with my little dog.

I have never been to Australia, but logical extrapolation of natural conditions would lead me to assume that within a similar environment there may also be plants, birds and insects etc. - Possibly even humans too - but I can't prove it.

We have already found that among the 100 nearest planets to us alone (not including those in our solar system), there is one that has pretty much identical conditions to Earth. Without external reference to the numbers - there are an awful lot of star systems out there with the potential for Earth type planets.

Many of the heavier elements of which we and the Earth are composed, can only be produced by dying stars - and we see this happening all across the galaxy. For example, NASA recently released information of a relatively young supernova close to the centre of our galaxy, 26,000 light years away. The fact that we see it now, means that it happened 26 million years ago.

The galaxy is literally teeming with the potential for life - much of which could be millions of years older than ours. It would be extremely naive of us to think that within the whole of the galactic 'garden', we are the only intelligent lifeform.

It has been recently found that the human genome contains 233 genes that exist nowhere else on Earth. If evolution was to be the only means by which we now exist, that would be impossible. Those genes have been externally introduced. They are in reality, alien to Earth.

There is much about human physiology that is effectively redundant. It is as if we are an adapted prototype of a generic hybrid. Only an external intelligence could have engineered these changes.

One might say 'a big boy did it and ran away' if you wish to subscribe purely to the God theory. But personally, all currently available evidence leads me to think that the answer lies somewhere in the middle.

There was and still is alien intervention in our creation - and these intelligent non-humans are what we originally called God.

So all answers are correct - We are an ape/alien hybrid that has evolved since, with some intelligent genetic engineering assitance - and many of us refer to that intelligence as 'God', simply because we were far too primative (and in many cases still are) to recognise it as anything other than a supernatural intervention.


Afternote: We are actually at the stage now, where we could develop a hybrid species of human to inhabit a terraformed version of Mars. It would take a long, long time and an enormous commitment of resources, but we do have the theorical capability. No doubt, eventually that hybrid species would refer to us as aliens or 'gods' too. The truth may seem incredible sometimes, but just because some choose not to accept it, makes it no less the truth.


[edit on 20/5/08 by Myrdyn]

Is just common sense and faith... the same way you believe in God

Originally posted by Nola213

Originally posted by jedimiller
now here's the question. I placed 100 boxes looking down on the floor. In one of the boxes there's a Lizard when you turn the box over. Now, you know that under one of those boxes there's a Geico lizard. Now how about the other 99 boxes? do you assume that there's a Lizard in every one of those boxes or none at all and why?

1 in 99 is ALOT different than 1 in INFINITY.

If I knew there were only 99 other planets in the universe besides Earth, i'd say no I do not believe in aliens or other forms of sentient life outside of earth.



[edit on 20-5-2008 by Nola213]

Then again, all of your beliefs are based on what you have been told to believe. Unless you have personally visited Mars/Saturn/Venus how are you to know that those planets are baron lifeless rocks? Would the government tell us? Would you believe anything the government has to say anyway?

If we were to find out that all planets in our solarsystem has some form of life on it, wouldn't your opinion change?

[edit on 20-5-2008 by dodgygeeza]

Originally posted by Draconian
Is just common sense and faith... the same way you believe in God

No its 100% not the same, its completely different.

God is based on beliefs yes, Aliens are common sense and logic. Different things entirely.

why do i believe?

have you ever heard someone try and disprove them? they sound rediculous and "old minded" as if they havent had access to the internet for the last 15 years.

i believe from listening to my fellow man. i feel like im in the loop and the loop is real.

trillions of planets billions of galexies.yes yes yes, blah blah blah. this is all valid too

Originally posted by jedimiller
The problem here is people like Jaime Mausan. he see's footage of a UFO and his jaw immediately drops. In his brain, he immediately thinks this is proof that aliens exist.

Jamie is a character to say the least!

However, the "proof" he did offer that struck me hard was the "Fleet" of UFO's over Mexico city. I mean, you can try and disprove that all you want, I thought that was the best footage I have ever seen, including any NASA footage.

www.youtube.com...

There is what I saw....

Say snow geese!

SAY IT!

LOL

Originally posted by jedimiller
now here's the question. I placed 100 boxes looking down on the floor. In one of the boxes there's a Lizard when you turn the box over. Now, you know that under one of those boxes there's a Geico lizard. Now how about the other 99 boxes? do you assume that there's a Lizard in every one of those boxes or none at all and why?

You would have to rephrase the question so that you got infinite number of boxes. What is the possibility that all the other boxes are empty?

reply to post by jedimiller


I have never had an ecounter, but too many secrets are kept by the goverrnment. Also, how could people 10,000 miles away in diffrent centuries describe the basics of the same kind of encouter and details? It all boils down to who covers up what and how it's covered. That's why the world has no clue. Thier blind.
-C.M.J

I believe because of the hope I have.
Lets face it, I dont think there is much hope for this species unless we get someone to take us by the hand and show us how to get along.
We are destroying everything in our path on this planet, including ourselves.
And we seem to be incapable of stopping it.