The Rainbow Serpents

Some of this mythology is real but you must understand that over a thousand
years of telling a story, well it changes over time. It is similar to rumors, you start off by telling someone a secret and when the secret gets out, there is a chance it gets exaggerated. Now, I am not saying it is fake I am just saying some stuff could be over exaggerated, or somethings could be lost.

Other then that, very interesting thread!

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More good insight.

I feel that this thread has become my personal quest. I hope others are reading and gaining value in the many things to think about as I am, whilst knowing that indeed no one set of writings or doctrine holds all the answers.

Another thing that rings true is that many truths can only be gleaned through direct contact, orally or by insight. Not written as according to "law"

I applaud all who have participated and attempted this theoretical ground!

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An example of what I mean by congruency:

Somewhere in the red desert of Australia an aborigine says something.

Somewhere in the ice desert of northern Canada a member of the Inuit tribe says the same thing.

Somewhere in ancient vedic scripture the very same thing is said.

By matches like these I determine what is more likely to be true.

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You must admit it does have a mechanical definition, though! You and Masqua are the only ones who use words that I feel a need to look up. I was very excited and had anticipation about this thread, now I feel that I wound it out in my mind and can take it no further.

That is what happens sometimes, you get right on the brink or edge of a cliff about to fly when suddenly it all seems like an overreaction, maybe the minds way of protecting one from a purer form of understanding.

If someone can help I am caught between a pineal/'___'/Kundalini type of exlaination of this and the teachings of Theosophy. I don't find them to be complimentary.

Of course I am limiting my understanding to what I am already familiar with!

reply to post by interestedalways


complimentary...now thats another word for congruent.


Being in a space of uncertainty is not such a bad thing. It means you are not fixed to a "truth" and can still weigh and change. Being fixed into one position equals ignorance imo.

Also consider that spiritually, there are many different levels of truth. Finding out the next level of truth, discarding the old.

My personal take is that the archetypical serpent is somehow a race of beings that exists on a physical and on a spiritual level of being and that they have somehow had involvement with the human race from ancient times on.

Since they dont show up anymore on a physical level, altered states (stimulating the pineal gland for example) are required to perceive or intercommunicate. Personally I wouldnt be interested in communicating with them though because Im suspicious of them.

I just want to know how far/deep their involvement with humanity was and what kind of "war" is being fought between them and other races and on what grounds.

My thoughts regarding the flood theory. I do believe parts of the Bible to be a factual record of what went down during the last pole shift.

Revolves around a pole shift.

China, as do other ancient cultures, has a flood story where the people came down the Yellow River from the mountains out of a great flood.

Noah lived in Atlantis, which has vanished or sunk because of the shift.

Noah sent his four sons to the four corners of the world in order to take brides. Looking to preserve the genetics of the four main races of people, as he was preserving genetics.

After the shift settled down and the ark found land, which may be new continents, the four brothers went back to the directions of where they thought their wives came from.

That would explain the other ancient ruins we have no record of.

The Giza plateau, which used to be lush and green was now barren. People found the Pyramids still in tact and settled there again.

Not saying this is 100% accurate, but if things progressed in a similar manner as to my thoughts. That would explain a lot of the puzzles.

I just can't accept the present theory, sorry.

Originally posted by interestedalways

I have to say, looking at the book you linked and rereading your posts is that I am facing a personal wall in myself that is fear based. Ever get that feeling?

It is as if the answers are so obvious yet it still seems as though there is a free will issue lurking in the shadows not making itself clear.

Yes I deal with fear all the time..why?

Any doctrine that's been institutionalized and becomes religious dogma brings with it a Heirarchy. This immediately posits the individual on a level of experience/development and henceforth classification in that hierarchy ..this is only natural as some people are better CEO's whereas others are better tennis players, or in our case souls more advanced than us who by right assume positions of privilege.

There's also a qualifier in our case as only the altruistic, personality-less(devoid of the rupic bodies) souls have the ability to attain the commensurate higher spiritual levels ie.union with the 'All'.

In fact their are those such as the Boddhisattvas that compassionately refrain from entering nirvana in order to save others, and some even refrain till the last soul enters therein ...and some of these on the odd occasion manifest in light or "metallic" vehicles in our skies

So yes a threat to the "individual" personality on higher levels is inherent in this, and this consequently elicits the greatest fear an individual can have ..that of annihilation/death of self.

There is no free will issue on a personality level however ..as any life/personality, embodied soul, has free reign as to its life's demands. ie. each soul chooses the life it wants/needs/requires.

To experience this physical life in totality there has to be complete immersion in the "crudeness" of the human body and its environs, and one of the privvies you lose in all this is your connection to a higher self ..the awareness of 'All' and that of 'Eternity'.

The price you pay for this trip of free will is the ephemeral nature of it for one, and secondly the undeniable feedback of the crudeness of life, injury, pain, fear etc.

This is just the nature of the beast

However as I stated before "make your own light" ..you have the choice to take from anything, any life experience, any doctrine, any book you read, any ATS posting, such as this, ONLY what rings true to you, and discard anything that doesn't.

Hope this helps



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[edit on 28-5-2008 by OEAOHOO]

Originally posted by interestedalways

If someone can help I am caught between a pineal/'___'/Kundalini type of exlaination of this and the teachings of Theosophy. I don't find them to be complimentary.

I don't see any 'incongruence' at all

In fact the study of the Kundalini, Chakras, essentially the subtle or etheric body, is a chief precept of Theosophy, and much of the literature and doctrine is written in the aid of the development of these;


I know you have issues with the Politicalization of Alice.A.Bailey and the Lucis Trust .. I have too ..but inherent in her work is some of the the most lucid theory and practice regarding this.

Also there's much in the Secret Doctrine too.

In fact this life force and inner light teaching is in all religions and philosophies;

Kundalini awakening or pranic awakening and its cross-tradition similars - the spontaneous spinal rockings known in Judaism as davening and in Sufisim as zikr; the "taken-over" gyrations of gospel "holy ghost" shaking and dancing and charismatic/pentacostal "mani-festations"; the Dionysian "revel"; Quakerism's and Shakerism's autonomic quaking and shaking; Tai Chi guided by chi itself; the shamanic trance-dance; Buddhism's and Raja-Yoga's effortless "straight back" (uju-kaya) meditation; the yogically derived ecstatic belly-dance and Flamenco; and even the full-bodied, spontaneous Reichian "reflex"- all literally embody the spiritual path.

Also you can read the book 'Kundalini- An Occult Experience' by G. S. Arundale here:

www.anandgholap.net...

Anything that works in the awaking of and functioning of this body is a step towards an expansion of being.

Just remember drugs such as '___', Quechua, '___' are instantaneous plug-ins into the Asrtral/Manasic planes ..and although they can be fun in short 'joy ride' doses longer stays can be psychologically detrimental as the individual knows not, or where, or whom they're dealing with ...gradual meditation/yoga is the tried and tested 'best' practice of engaging these lower Mind levels.

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I am not afraid anymore. The link you provided was a good read.

There has always been an inherent fear because of so many readings on the disembodied astral beings that will try to "get" you if you aren't prepared and go messing around with realms and feed on your fear. So by eliminating the fear, the power that they could use should also be dissapated.

Thank you for your time and sharing of your understanding. I guess another thing that has created fear is the knowledge that there is an opposing force to the "Great White Brotherhood" and the idea of vulnerablity to that faction. The stories about the Thule and Vril society has fostered that fear, but I must remember that fear is a tool to keep us disempowered and I don't want that factor to hold me back from gaining enlightenment which is my goal.

reply to post by win 52


yes, floods, tidal waves, earthquakes, spaceships, war of the worlds, laserbeams...its the way the ancients say it was, not the way our scholars say it was. (imo)

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What I always liked about Theosophy is that it already knew everything a 100 years ago that modern "new age" books are "now discovering".

Nevertheless, has anyone else other than Blavatsky laid hands on "The Book of Dyzan"?

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Nevertheless, has anyone else other than Blavatsky laid hands on "The Book of Dyzan"?

Don't know for sure, haven't done extensive research, but from the looks of this quote even she didn't "lay hands" on it.

In the introduction to 'The Secret Doctrine' Blavatsky says that the "very old book" referred to in 'Isis' was taken down in Sen-zar from the words of Divine Beings, who dictated it to the sons of Light in Central Asia, at the very beginning of the 5th (our) race. The secret language had been known in Atlantis, who inherited it from the Devas of the 2nd and 1st Races.

www.olanoo.com...

I would like to add my views here if I may.

I am an Australian Aboriginal and therefore think I may be slightly qualified to add something worthwhile to this discussion.

There are well over 150 different Australian Aboriginal nations currently...before colonization there where estimated to be well over 500! One must remember and be careful not to blanket all these nations together... they all had their own creation stories, dreaming stories and Dreamtime stories....given that some are very similar to others or even share them while others are entirely different altogether.

Though the majority of my brothers and sisters would like to believe that they have been the only and first inhabitants of the Australian continent, archaeological evidence is there to prove this wrong however. A breed of very large human like peoples once roamed these lands...and skeletal remains in excess of well over 9 ft in height are evidence to this fact found in regions all over the east coasts of the continent to date. And there are dreaming stories that tell of this giant race. Which could also explain the likes of some of the rock paintings and art.

DNA also traces the Australian Aboriginal migration into the continent via the now submerged land bridge between Asia and Australian...with direct DNA relatives being found around the very bottom of India and tracking directly back into Africa.

Alien encounters I do not question for I have had them in this great land of ours....but please remember...Aboriginal people and our dreaming stories, while hold truth, and also hold a level of myth to them. We are human, and are as flawed as the next human...use your discernment and scope when researching our dreaming stories etc etc..

Your Dhungutti Tidda
Marg

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Its very good to have an actual native post here. Thanks for the balanced input

Hey Guys,

Wow the thread has grown since the last time i was on! Awesome stuff. Well I have returned from my trip and have a interesting story, Concerning "rainbow serpent" Or the "taniwha".

(Skyfloating mate unfortunately i did not get to chat with the ka matua about the Celtics being here in Aotearoa as he was busy with cleaning the graveyard so i wasnt able to hassle him for that info but definitely in the next trip though! )
Anyway,

The legend about the Taniwha is still very "live and kicking" here. I was told that most tribes if not all have current ,up to date and pretty scary stories about these rainbow serpents.

Speaking to my aunt and bro they took me to this place north of the north island. They showed me this patch of bush with was like 15-20acres withing some farmland.First of all she advised me that under no circumstance do I go in there, the obvious question was why?

She advised the people of the north( Nga Puhi) use to bury their Chiefs in caves (only very highly regarded chiefs by the people) and his elite warriors
would gone in there with him alive th en the people would "blow the cave in".

Effectively burying them alive.Now cause these caves were full of artifacts like for eg. Cloaks,weapons and etc..(which were all spiritually binding) for some reason over the years since (probably between 400-800yrs) there have been Many reports but the local Pakeha (non-indigenous New Zealanders) and Maori that when walking in or near the bush have reported hearing really really loud "hissing"sounds as well as even reported seeing huge centipede like creatures.

Now the recent report was only apparently a couple of years ago. my mates uncle told us that he was wondering through the patch of bush cause he was curious now he is one those "septic" types even though he is family, my aunt warned him but still he went. He told us after cruising around looking for 1hr or so (as there are tunnel networks in this place too) he suddenly heard "clattering" as it was heeps of little sticks gently tapping on each other. Then he looked ahead only about 15-20m he saw these huge centipede things crawl over a big stone. He describe the stone to be as big as med size car like a Mitsubishi chariot , which these creatures totally covered.

The local pakeha (3rd-4th gen) farmers they too respect this "thing" as they always in the past have approached the local Maori not the council but the local peoples to "update them". As they know now since the 30s-60s that if their cattle go missing in there don't bother looking as they themselves have numerous stories about this serpent/taniwha/whatever the hell it is.

I have seen this place/are of bush only being 100m away from the edge of it, you get this overwhelming urge of curiosity that "pulls you in" its really unnatural.

Now the Peoples of waikato (upper/central north island) they have beliefs which, when the mist or fog has "fallen" to ALWAYS shut your doors to their Marae(meeting place/hall for the people)/homes etc.. as till today since the ancient times they believe that this is the time when the taniwha would kidnap their women/children and use them as slaves.

If not mistaken this custom is still in strict practice in most places.

I am not trying to make people believe everything i say here and i respect everyones opinion( your entitled to it) but put it this way up north the "whites and the browns" both have great respect for each other not only for political issues but for "spiritual beliefs"

To walk into an environment where 2 peoples have always been seen at each others throats of centuries agree upon such matters is amazing. Not only is it amazing but total awesome.

Apologise guys if my write is not "up to spec" really tired at the moment and haven't had much sleep in the last 4-5 days.

Just sharing my experience and will post more stuff up here soon, and again I dont take things "as gospel" and don't expect anyone else here to either just passing what i know

Originally posted by Skyfloating

What I always liked about Theosophy is that it already knew everything a 100 years ago that modern "new age" books are "now discovering".

Nevertheless, has anyone else other than Blavatsky laid hands on "The Book of Dyzan"?

I'm afraid none of the original Senzar version is available exoterically, some of it though has much later informed the Kalachakra Mulatantra and the books of Kanjur, later again the book of Dzyan ...you can read more here;


ourworld.compuserve.com...

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What an awesome account! More please!




..so its the Maori AND the farmers who are aware of this type of stuff?

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I found this link www.yeziditruth.org...
I try to read as much as I can about the fallen angel Azazel. In this link it shows him through out history. I belive he is the main serpent in ancient civilizations.

What also caught my eye was the word RAINBOW.
Great thread by the way.