An Experiment in Alternative Methods of Earthquake Prediction

They will remove earthquake data that is not true. More then likely they had something trigger their equipment that wasn't and EQ in Utah so they removed the data.

reply to post by whoshotJR


I wish they would state what caused all this equipment to malfunction, so the EQ deletion isn't such a mystery.

This wasn't just one EQ in one location either-- it was three different locations some distance from one another.

[edit on 12/27/08 by kattraxx]

reply to post by whoshotJR

Thank you for your comments... I'd have to say, though, that I agree with Kattrax: it would be good to have a little more information. We are well aware that at times there are good reasons for reported quakes to be deleted. In this case however there were actually five separate events reported and subsequently cancelled and deleted from the maps. To have one event deleted is not that unusual, but I'll repeat what I said earlier: five events within a short space of time (and within three different locations within one region) is very unusual indeed. In fact, I cannot recall such a case prior to today in the time I have been keeping a close watch on such things.

Under such circumstances a short, official statement as to what the malfunction was (if that was the case) would be quite welcome and might help to alleviate some suspicions.


[edit on 27/12/08 by JustMike]

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Looks like a good sized EQ and at Yellowstone.

Edit to add:

Magnitude 3.4 - YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK, WYOMING
2008 December 27 20:17:33 UTC
MAP 3.4 2008/12/27 20:26:28 44.459 -110.367 0.3 63 km ( 39 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
MAP 3.4 2008/12/27 20:17:33 44.479 -110.357 0.7 63 km ( 39 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
MAP 2.3 2008/12/27 18:56:35 44.484 -110.367 0.5 62 km ( 38 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
MAP 2.8 2008/12/27 18:23:07 44.490 -110.369 0.1 61 km ( 38 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
MAP 2.5 2008/12/27 17:01:07 44.484 -110.367 0.2 62 km ( 38 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
MAP 2.6 2008/12/27 16:30:53 44.497 -110.368 0.4 61 km ( 38 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT


When I saw this red square on the main page, when I clicked on the U.S. map, the red square was gone. Five minutes later now, you can access it.

[edit on 12/27/08 by kattraxx]

[edit on 12/27/08 by kattraxx]

I bet if you email them they could give you a good reply on why certain ones are deleted. I'm not super familiar with all the reasoning they would have but I bet its could be something as small as bad coding that got fixed.

I would e-mail them and ask.

reply to post by whoshotJR


Let us know what response you get. I'd be interested to know.

Our point is, there are certain areas where EQ's are almost always deleted. Now I can understand micro EQ's getting deleted because they were actually mine blasts, but three different EQ's in three different locations around the state?

Nice series of quakes up there in Yellowstone. I've been watching them for a few hours and it's quite interesting. Took a while before they started posting them but now they seem to be getting up to date.

Anyone who's interested can access the live feeds from the Yellowstone helicorders (seismographs in another form) on the University of Utah's link here. If you prefer to go straight to one that's close to the current series of quakes, then you can access the live charts for Station YTP, which is the Yellowstone the Promontory. A quick look at the traces will show you that there have been at least ten tremors there of some significance in the past seven hours or so but not all of them are being posted. You can match all of the posted ones to tremors registered on the current chart just by reading off the times, but I can't see any sign of the others on the maps.

The various colors of the lines are of no special significance, by the way. It just makes the traces easier to read. Intervals between the lines correspond to fifteen minutes, and the one-minute intervals can be read from the fine vertical lines (in grey).

If you check stations LKW and YLT (around the same lake where the quakes are), you'll see they're also registering well. They can be accessed via the first link I gave in this post. To save copies of the helicorder pages, just right-click and save like any image. No need to do screen shots. (They're too big anyway.)

Mike

Remember the Maupin swarm?

Magnitude 3.6 - OREGON
2008 December 27 23:32:35 UTC

Location 45.134°N, 120.951°W
Depth 15.2 km (9.4 miles) set by location program
Region OREGON
Distances 11 km (7 miles) ESE (113°) from Maupin, OR
21 km (13 miles) NW (313°) from Shaniko, OR
21 km (13 miles) SE (126°) from Tygh Valley, OR
55 km (34 miles) SSE (161°) from City of The Dalles, OR

follow the swarms:

a clear pattern is starting to form on the west coast... the swarms are mostly in a straight line, running S.E to N.W (in relation to each other)..... almost the same amount of distance between each.

-Mexicali
-east of barstow
-east of indian wells
-Long valley / mono lake
-Reno/Tahoe area (mogul swarm).. sorry if I spelt it wrong
-Lassen
Then nothing till Maupin, Or


all known volcanic areas.



[edit on 27-12-2008 by pynner]

I sent out an email to Katt earlier tonight, I stated I was very clumsy tonight, and that I had begun to have stabbing pains under my right ribs. I just checked out UCGS and check it out:

4.6
Date-Time Sunday, December 28, 2008 at 05:17:07 UTC
Saturday, December 27, 2008 at 09:17:07 PM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones

Location 32.537°N, 115.524°W
Depth 23.1 km (14.4 miles)
Region BAJA CALIFORNIA, MEXICO
Distances 14 km (9 miles) SSW (202°) from Mexicali, Baja California, Mexico
16 km (10 miles) S (189°) from Calexico, CA
22 km (13 miles) S (179°) from Heber, CA
140 km (87 miles) E (89°) from Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico

Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 1.5 km (0.9 miles); depth +/- 2.6 km (1.6 miles)
Parameters Nph=036, Dmin=23 km, Rmss=0.38 sec, Gp=191°,
M-type=local magnitude (ML), Version=E
Source California Integrated Seismic Net:
USGS Caltech CGS UCB UCSD UNR

Event ID ci10368325

3.8
Date-Time Sunday, December 28, 2008 at 05:15:56 UTC
Saturday, December 27, 2008 at 10:15:56 PM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones

Location 44.492°N, 110.365°W
Depth 0.2 km (~0.1 mile) (poorly constrained)
Region YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK, WYOMING
Distances 62 km (38 miles) ESE (108°) from West Yellowstone, MT
67 km (41 miles) SSE (155°) from Gardiner, MT
67 km (42 miles) SSW (210°) from Cooke City-Silver Gate, MT
434 km (270 miles) NNE (16°) from Salt Lake City, UT

Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 0.4 km (0.2 miles); depth +/- 11.8 km (7.3 miles)
Parameters NST= 22, Nph= 22, Dmin=8 km, Rmss=0.22 sec, Gp= 76°,
M-type=local magnitude (ML), Version=2
Source University of Utah Seismograph Stations

I am worried. I am having a sudden headache again, in the back and top of my head, very loud ringing in both ears, very high pitched.

edit to add: Let's add stabbing pain between the shoulder blades to the list tonight too, that just started, 1244 am EST.

[edit on 27-12-2008 by space cadet]

Okay, 120am, and I am having such visual disturbance! I cannot focus without reading glasses on at this point, normally I can see the forms we have the customer sign, I can't make them out right now. Crazy.

Yellowstone is active and talking...

This area has been too silent as of late, and is ready to be active again.

Keep a watch on this one.

You are right about that, twitchomatic.

Magnitude 3.8 - YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK, WYOMING
2008 December 28 05:15:56 UTC

I see you beat me to it, Space Cadet. Yellowstone rumbling. Don't like that.

MAP 2.4 2008/12/28 05:23:54 44.490 -110.360 1.9 62 km ( 39 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
MAP 3.8 2008/12/28 05:15:56 44.492 -110.365 0.2 62 km ( 38 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
MAP 2.6 2008/12/28 00:08:50 44.493 -110.354 0.4 63 km ( 39 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
MAP 3.2 2008/12/27 22:30:03 44.495 -110.367 0.2 61 km ( 38 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
MAP 3.4 2008/12/27 20:26:27 44.488 -110.365 0.3 62 km ( 38 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
MAP 3.5 2008/12/27 20:17:32 44.481 -110.362 0.7 62 km ( 39 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT

[edit on 12/28/08 by kattraxx]

I live i northeast Ohio, in the Warren and Youngstown area. I'm hearing a noise that sound like earthquake.But the ground isn't shaking. I don't feel anything. And it been going on for the last 40 minutes. About 5 to 15 seconds apart. If you have seen the movie Earthquake. It sound like the earthquake sound effects on that movie. Beside we are second of the bottom of the list of area that have earthquakes.

reply to post by kennethmd


Is it still going on or did it stop? If it did stop what was the total duration of the sounds?

edit to add: I am continuing to have unbeleivable visual disturbance, sharp pains now in my chest, back and shoulders. I want to report that earlier tonight (sat night) I was having severe hot flashes, even my hubby was, I couldn't believe he was, that was a first.

[edit on 28-12-2008 by space cadet]

It is still going on. The sound is low to very low. And it lasted for 2 to 3 seconds.

And it continues to make noise around Yellowstone....




3.2
Date-Time Sunday, December 28, 2008 at 09:23:57 UTC
Sunday, December 28, 2008 at 02:23:57 AM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones

Location 44.505°N, 110.363°W
Depth 0.4 km (~0.2 mile) (poorly constrained)
Region YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK, WYOMING
Distances 61 km (38 miles) ESE (106°) from West Yellowstone, MT
65 km (40 miles) SSE (155°) from Gardiner, MT
66 km (41 miles) SSW (211°) from Cooke City-Silver Gate, MT
435 km (271 miles) NNE (16°) from Salt Lake City, UT

Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 0.5 km (0.3 miles); depth +/- 14.3 km (8.9 miles)
Parameters NST= 19, Nph= 19, Dmin=7 km, Rmss=0.21 sec, Gp= 68°,
M-type=local magnitude (ML), Version=2
Source University of Utah Seismograph Stations

Event ID uu00002442


[edit on 28-12-2008 by space cadet]

reply to post by TwiTcHomatic

We're keeping a watch on it, for sure. The helicorders are getting a good workout:



(Image from U of Utah's Helicorder data site, station YTP, which may be accessed here. Reproduced for educational and informational purposes only.)

The quake that Space Cadet mentioned most recently is indicated by an arrow. Been a while since I've seen it as busy in that area as it has been since yesterday.

Edit: the above image is truncated. To view the entire image, right click on it and click "View image".

[edit on 28/12/08 by JustMike]

reply to post by kennethmd

Hi Kennethmd,

thanks for posting and welcome! Yeah it's usually pretty quiet up your way from a seismic point of view. I had a look at a helicorder that's up in the Alum Creek Park and noticed that it picked up something about an hour after midnight (US Eastern). Here's an image. (I've overlayed the location data on the chart to save space.) :



(Original image from USGS, modified for placement of image identifier and additional graphics by the author of this post. Image reproduced for informational and educational purposes. This image is truncated! To see the complete image, right-click on it and click "View Image".)

You can access helicorders for many US locations here, with Alum Creek being one of the first on the page.

Please let us know if you pick up on anything more.

Regards,

Mike

[edit on 28/12/08 by JustMike]

reply to post by kennethmd


kennthmd, it may not have anything to do with Ohio. You may be getting what sensitives call ear tones. Now, Space Cadet gets ear tones, so you may want to u2u one another and discuss it. Thanks for posting and letting us know.