An Experiment in Alternative Methods of Earthquake Prediction

I'm all for that, Hakii.

I just popped back on to mention that I'm getting the Reno precursors pretty good right now, which is not a surprise really-- this isn't over yet.

How about you damntheptb, or anyone else, getting anything for Reno?

glad to heat its quieting down in the reno area kat...

thanks for the update..all quiet on the oregon front too.

tela

I am not feeling anything this morning... just uneasy and tired... last night around 10 or so, my left knee was throbbing and achy, i dont know why.

My dog has been acting strange since the back to back quakes over 3.2 the other day, and has been eating a lot of grass and plant leaves, anything green and then getting himself sick..... all yesterday afternoon, and all night, he stopped at 4am, and started to drink a lot of water and be fine about 6:30.... I will have to keep an eye on reno for the next 12 or 24 hours...

I have been reading conflicking stories.

One articles claims, top offical Liu Qibae declares China's Lake crisis over and now a new article is saying a Dr. David Petley who is monitoring the Lake is saying to evacuate everyone the dam is ready to burst.

There are hundreds of thousands that are in said area, my, my, my this is not good.

Was reading about the 3.1 you had and they don't seem to care or be concerned from what I am reading """hmmmmm""" and the quakes that happened near Alamo this past weekend Schwartz is saying businees as usual nothing new???????? He said they are happening (Alamo) on small fault that is connected to nothing so nothing big will become of it??????

What the he&& are they hiding.....

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Was reading about the 3.1 you had and they don't seem to care or be concerned from what I am reading """hmmmmm"""

That's interesting considering they admit they don't know what's going on, so how do they know whether to be unconcerned or not? I guess they don't live on the epicenter either. Where did you read this?

When the 3.0+ tremors started again a couple days ago, the local news all reported that the swarm had "started up again", as if it had stopped or something.

I see Oklahoma had another one, a little bigger this time.
Oklahoma 3.1

JustMike & Kattraxx,

Thanks and your welcome...I've been trying to find some pictures of that crack but have been unsuccessful. I did find this website regarding a fissure that opened up back in the day. Scroll down to the Carson Valley Earthquake, June 3, 1887, M6.3

This earthquake caused very strong shaking in Carson Valley. At Genoa, houses were shifted off their foundations and bricks were thrown down (Territorial Enterprise, 6/4/1887). At Carson City, chimneys were damaged, brick and stone walls were damaged, and plaster fell. At the State Capitol, the west wall was cracked and plaster fell in several rooms (Territorial Enterprise, 6/4/1887). Some people who were in the streets of Carson City that morning (the earthquake occurred at ~2:45 a.m.) were apparently thrown to the ground by the shock (Territorial Enterprise, 6/4/1887). At Mound House, a hotel and wayside resort was totally destroyed by a fire on the day following the earthquake; the earthquake had separated several joints in the stove pipe and when the stove was lit the morning of the 4th, fire leapt out of the break in the pipe and ignited the wood backing (Carson Daily Index, 6/5/1887). Near Cradlebaugh's Bridge, south of Carson City, a fissure 15 m (50 ft) long opened up and mud and hot water spouted for a half an hour without abating (Reno Gazette-Journal, 10/28/1979). Springs all around Carson City either increased in flow or went suddenly dry. General alarm occurred in Virginia City and Reno, but there was little damage. The earthquake appears to have occurred in Carson Valley. [MTO 6.3]

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So you've been using Flash Earth in the Somersett area to try and find the "rupture"? Cool. I was going to ask you to do that since the image quality is so much better. If you need more explicit directions to the general area, u2u me.

Thanks for the Carson EQ information... scary.

Well, precursor-wise, I've been up all night with what Charlotte refers to as Sierras precursors. Bad ones. When she says Sierras, she's referring to Mammoth, Mono, Bishop, Bridgeport, Ridgecrest, China Lakes, all the way up to the Reno area. This is the first time I've experienced this particular precursor. I did not have this one before the 4.9, etc. Anyway, precursor for the Sierras duly noted. Began around 11 p.m. and still going, but not as intense, still quite uncomfortable.

Edit to add: I'm still trying to untangle other precursors from last night that apply to other regions. I had the China precursor and more intensely than I've had it before. This area includes Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, India and the Nicobars, Charlotte says. I want to say Central California too, for some reason, as well as the Wasatch/New Madrid & Yellowstone regions.

My older dog, she's 12 now and mostly sleeps, has been very very clingy for the past 24 hours. She will not leave my side and jumps at every noise. This could be a reaction to all the 3.0+ the past few days, or precursor behavior. I am noticing a lot of dogs barking out there this morning.





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I'm clear of any normal symptoms that Ive had before and am having issues with my right ankle/foot. i don't know if thats a precursor or not...i might have just twisted it wrong..

thats whats so hard about this, distinguishing the normal pains vs EQ pains. I don't know how charolotte or you katt can do it.

Tela

As of physical symptoms, Im lacking. But lifestyle wise yesterday was a big day of bad news. Mentally draining, Drama with the girlfriends parents, I didn't take to kindly to the words spoken mine and her way in a demeaning manor. All for something that was completely there fault. Anyways, I had a little reality shake-up which oddly enough i sensed coming anyways. I was about due for another life shake-up so if that was the worst that happened, I'll take it.



Dogs been barking at random odd things and people they normally would never bark at. Last night for about 15 minutes while sitting out under the stars at a camp fire, They randomly started barking at literally tree shadows lol. . . Or at least thats all i could perceive. What they were picking up on i am not quite sure of.


My gut tells me china, our central states and Oregon will be shaking. However that is just based off the patterns i have been picking up on from our collective thoughts.

Wells, 3.1

When Wells shakes, then we will shake.

I'm still getting the Sierra precursor, if that's what this is, pretty intensely. I believe Char says 12-24 hours after the pain stops. If I'm wrong on that time span, I'll come back and edit.

Has it been deleted already? Wth?




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I can't believe it-- they deleted it almost instantaneously. I was just going back to printscreen but it didn't work.

It was Wells, NV, 3.1 about five mins. ago.

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I had a feeling (or should I say a premonition) that they were going to delete that quake. Just something about it. So anyway I saved some screen shots.

Here is the US map, showing the quake:



And here's the world map. I had the cursor set to show the magnitude of this particular quake:





And finally because I wanted to get all I could, here's the data page for this quake -- which as you know has now vanished:



These are cropped images of the original screen shots. For the sake of completeness, here are the links for the full screen shots (which also are better quality than seems to display here):

NE Nevada Quake USA Map.

Nevada Quake World Map

Nevada Quake Data Page (Including Event ID).

This is the third time in around a week that USGS has deleted quakes from US maps. Two were in Wyoming; one was done before anyone could get screen shots but the other is a matter of record because I got a screen shot of it and it's in one of my posts on this thread. My opinion? I think someone high up has made a policy decision and USGS has been given some "instructions". Why?

I don't know and that's what worries me...

If you are an American, the USGS is using your money -- and that means they are using your tax dollars to bury information that you have a right to know about. It might be worth alerting any congresspeople who you feel would make a real meal out of this.

Mike

JustMike, I had the same feeling when I saw it, but I should've tried to save it before posting it--- they were fast on that one.

But so were you! haha. Great job!

I emailed someone in Wells city hall asking if they felt a tremor. I'm curious. Hopefully, someone will answer back.

Funny, but that chief scientist at USGS never answered my email about the deleted Wyoming EQs.

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You're right, JustMike. What are they hiding, deleting these EQ's. Now if I find out Wells didn't have one-- then, okay.

I'm going to email Nevada Senator Harry Reid about USGS deleting EQ's. I want to know. After all, like I said, when Wells shakes, Reno shakes later.

And look at this now, how USGS reduced the size of the NM earthquake that was parallel to the AZ eq and the same size... nevermind, new EQ.

Also wanted to mention, I suppose from now on, any time we see an EQ, especially out west, on the USGS maps, we should take a screen shot just in case.

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I was going to say that the Chief Scientist at USGS might not answer you but he'd find it hard to not reply to a direct inquiry from a US Senator! So yes, it's definitely worth writing to Senator Reid. He has a fair amount of clout as Senate Majority Leader, and from what I have seen on him in televised hearings and the like he seems a pretty straightforward character.

If it were just one quake that got deleted then I'd be more-or-less willing to put it down to a technical problem, like equipment failure. But three in around a week? I don't think so... I think the quakes happened but "they" do not want the public to know they did.

A thought...These three "disappeared" quakes were all in the low-three magnitude range. Now, that means they were not especially powerful...They were enough to be of interest to seismologists, but beyond that no great cause for alarm of themselves. Is there a pattern in them that we are not supposed to notice?

And how long has this been going on??

How can we or anyone outside of a select few "in the know" have any hope of developing better techniques for predicting quakes, when our "trusted" sources of empirical data are deleting information for Lord-knows-what reason?

So, if any of us see a significant EQ in the western U.S. especially, screen shot it, just in case. But hurry because those guys were right on that last one and it was gone in a minute.

I wonder where Observe50 is today? I hope she's okay.

I'm still getting the Sierra precursors very strongly and I've confirmed it with someone else living in Reno, so I'm pretty sure this is not some 24 hour bug I've picked up. Charlotte says the Sierra precursors can be intense, even if the subsequent EQ is small.

Originally posted by kattraxx
Also wanted to mention, I suppose from now on, any time we see an EQ, especially out west, on the USGS maps, we should take a screen shot just in case.
[edit on 6/11/08 by kattraxx]

Yep, and screen shots of not only the maps, but the data pages -- because the data page always gives to "event ID", both in the page itself and as the final part of the URL... it could be alleged that we could fake maps but faking unique ID's would be hard to do...The data must be stored in an archive somewhere, and if enough evidence can be gathered that all is not as it should be, then that stored data could find itself being reviewed by a Senate hearing and hard question could be asked as to why it was taken out of the public domain. It's happened before a few times as I recall...

Wish we had a bigger "crew" in on this...I can cover some of the time when it's middle of the night where you are in the US, but not all of the time...We really need more people. I'm wondering if it would be worth alerting the people who follow the "quake watch" thread or something like that? If we wind up with multiple copies of screen shots, well that's no problem, but to have no copies when a quake vanishes...now that's a problem. There is a reason why these quakes' data are being wiped from the public record and we need more info to try and work out why -- or at least have a body of evidence to pass on when the need arises.

We need reliable data so that we can conduct our own experimental work as effectively as possible, and frankly USGS and its associates is becoming less reliable by the day in my humble opinion. And it's not only us who need this data, many others do to and it's possible that one day some people's lives may depend on it being accurate and as complete as it can be. That does not appear to be the case now, and one could reasonably ask if that means people's lives are possibly being placed at risk right now. I am sure you have all read detailed studies of seismic patterns and quake predictions, as I have done. How valid are those studies if the data used as their basis are incomplete or deliberately corrupted?

Well it's nearly 11:30 pm here so I have to sign off. Work tomorrow...

Good night/afternoon all... Catch you tomorrow...

Mike

Mike did great getting the information.

I noticed that the same two quakes are only listed for Verdi-Mogul from this morning but when I checked the all quakes for Cal./NV. I was suprised at all the quakes and there are """"several new locations""""" in California that are having quakes. why??????

I have no doubt they know something is up and they are worried but I don't think they know.

I wouldn't have thought to much about the other nights vision but when I was awake looking back on the vision I had I keep thinking where was this? I could see it all in my third eye but I couldn't place anything and I kept thinking where was this and plain as could be I literally heard one word. """""Beijing""""

I know nothing about this place and I didn't know the Olympics were to be there this year until I read it.

If the next big one isn't in Beijing then I will never trust in myself with information again.





[edit on 11-6-2008 by observe50]