An Experiment in Alternative Methods of Earthquake Prediction

Look at the quakes in New Mexico and Arizona. They are just about the same size and at the same depth and they are not on faults. They are parallel with each other and the one in New Mexico is just north of Las Alamos Lab.
With the disappearance of the Wyoming quake info one has to wonder if they are building new bunkers in each state out there in our nuclear missile ranges.

Kat, Is there any suspicious construction projects going on out your way?

Kat, I have been following the thread re: the hot spot in CO and want to say this. Coal dust can do this and is often found burning underground and they have to go in and put out the fire.

In fact just a few weeks ago, I read where something like that happened in the US. All that aside, I would say my concern is NOT with the coal dust, its more with the official story if this is being caused by super heated solar radiation, we have a much larger problem.

I can recall when we used to go outiside here in Salem OR in the Sun and it was nice and warm. Than about 1982 I moved to CA and it was not long before the warm had turned to Hot. Then I came back to Salem and found it to be the same. Now the Sun feels like it did when as a child we used to take a magnifying glass and see who could stand it the longest before the ' hot spot " made us give up.
Now the Sun feels like this all the time., its not comfortably warm, it is painfully hot.

If the Sun has the capability to ignite coal dust below the surface in CO or anywhere, we have a lot of problems coming this summer and for the rest of our livesas it could ignite dry wooded areas etc. It's no secret that the Sun has been doing some very strange things of late, but this is a Big Jump even for Old SOL.

As for the quakes making the ground hot, I can remeber when the quake hit Coalinga CA in 1983 a aquaintence lived there and her husband woked the oil derricks there. He said when the quake hit Coalinga, he was up in the fields and could see the wave moving over the city, and he said that although he was wearing heavy work boots, he could feel the heat through them and it was hot enough to make him jump. That my friends is a volcanic effect, not a tectonic effect. A fault will not or I have not heard of them causing the ground to get hot enough to feel. Since I have always believed that Coalinga is part of the Sierras activity, that would cover the volcanic effect of the ground getting hot.

Back to Old SOL.. I often watch the solar events ( Flares ) and then watch The Geysers and they always pick up activty as the solar radiation heats the ground up at a deeper level and causes the hot springs to get more active causing more volcanic related quakes.

A bit off topic, but very important.

This is what promped me to add a small paragraph to the end of my email alerts. Anytime, ANYTIME you are out in the SUN, wear Sun glasses, and use SunScreen on all ecposed skin, as high as you can get it. I use UVA and UVB 50. This is especially important for children of all ages playing outside.

I have a cataract and was at the doctor's and I asked about what causes them, I was told ( THEY ARE CAUSED BY SOLAR EFFECTS ) and if I had worn my sunglasses years ago, I would not likely have any cataracts.
Before I lost 4 of my oldest cats in the last couple of years, several were almost blind with cataracts.

So to protect yourself and your familys eyes and skin, please be vigalent and use Sunscreen and wear your sun glasses.
Take precautions with your animals as well.

Charlotte King

^.^ Hey Charlotte, Good to see you posted here with us ^.^



That is very interesting about the coal dust.



Got to run to some errands and things, but i will be back and finish this post

reply to post by charking


Thanks for joining our little group here Charlotte. Yes now that you mention it, I have heard of coal burning underground before.

I for one am a person who does know that most of the so called Global Warming events that the Hollywood clowns point to as being caused by man are directly caused by the sunspots and flares as that is the only thing that can heat and cool the earths surface and oceans.

As we move closer to the solar maximum of 2012 I feel we will have more catastrophes than ever. Unfortunately things like Hurricanes will become more powerful and more in number than the devastating 2004-05 season. Not to good for me and my family as we live on the gulf coast of Florida.

You bring up a good theory that has to be fact that the sun heating the ground more will cause the lava to move and melt more rock and in turn cause more eruptions and earthquakes.

Scientist have said that this solar maximum in 2012 will be the worst on record so that does not look good for us.

If things get to bad will you please go to the doctor and get some pain meds because you shouldn't put yourself through all that pain as the events may get to be to numerous for you.

Hello Charlotte,

I know the Sun can do strange things but unite coal dust just in one small area is ????? I would think it more logical the coal dust to be lit from beneath, magma.

I think Yellowstone is larger then thought and it tentacles spread further then known.

I think the underwater volcanoes are birthing.

I am an experiencer, and I was shown volcanoes erupting together and hugh waves hitting the East Coast and West Coast at the same time, I saw a UFO fly in and turn on its side and hold the "HUGE" wave in mid air just before crashing so people could reach some sort of safety.

I don't know when this happens but I know I was shown this for a reason so I wait and observe.

I watch near the Arc of St. Louis and the Mississippi River to see if it seperates the lands to 6 miles in width.

I don't know if the time is now for this I sense that we are getting help from the ones in the deepest of our waters to help lesson what could have been.

I see Greece had a 6.1 and I notice there are a lot of larger quakes spread out over Earth I hope these are doing the job. I see Verdi-Mogul had two 3.0's this morning.

Any input of your feelings/senses are appreciated.




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Reno, bumpy night

Yeah, a bumpy night... the three o'clock hour was non-stop shaking. Back to back EQ's. And I'd spent most of the evening reading a book Telafree suggested, "Saving Cascadia" about what else? Earthquakes. And the atmosphere was perfect for it, as my house was creaking and popping all night. I see a couple 3.0's on the list-- I wonder if local media will report it, or if they'll keep it quiet for the tourists this weekend?

Char, I was just talking with someone about the sun a few days ago-- how when we were kids, we'd spend the day swimming without sunscreen and not get sunburned. And these days, you can put on sunscreen, go out for a couple hours, and get sunburned. Something is up with the sun. Now I use 85 rated sunscreen, wear a hat and sunglasses whenever I'm out.

The house is still creaking and popping and in the past half hour, I've felt a couple little movements while sitting here, and the Reno precursors that Char speaks of are getting to me right now.

Notice the depth of the Reno tremors, 0.00, most of them. My proximity and the fact that these are surface EQ's are the reasons they feel so much stronger up here.

My plan was to put my home back together today, ie., art back up on the walls, etc. But I just knew the second I did that, the EQ's would pick up again. I guess the walls will stay bare for a while longer.

Originally posted by Sky watcher
Look at the quakes in New Mexico and Arizona. They are just about the same size and at the same depth and they are not on faults. They are parallel with each other and the one in New Mexico is just north of Las Alamos Lab. Kat, Is there any suspicious construction projects going on out your way?

Not that I've noticed, Skywatcher, suspicious construction, that is.

I noticed the same re: NM and AZ, however. And re: Wyoming, I emailed the Chief Scientist at USGS just after they removed the 2nd EQ up there, asking why that is. Probably won't hear back. What I don't understand is, if they're going to delete an EQ, why not keep the EQ page and mark it deleted? Why wipe out every reference to it? In fact, why not explain on the EQ page why it was deleted?

Observe50, I keep wondering about your comment re: Wyoming and to keep an eye on it. Any intuitions here?

None Katt and I don't think I was meant to know before hand.... only after this is the way it works.

The only thing I fear is that our gov. put Nuclear Waste where they weren't supposed to (cough, cough) and if there is a volcanic eruption they will be dealing with a radio active volcanic eruption. This is why people should keep a check on ground military movements in case they are trying to move this stuff out of locations they aren't supposed to be.

I just try to observe and wait unfortunately I know that whatever is to be will be, sucks doesn't it.

I don't think what I wrote is to happen at this time, I feel this is all precursor stuff happening now and "they" are helping to ease what was to be and will become much worse over the next few years.

Death is something I have always had a hard time handling but it is something they made me in there way deal with. I suffer the pain of life lost but I had to edit cause I turned my own stomach writing it.



[edit on 8-6-2008 by observe50]

reply to post by kattraxx

Hi there,

I tell ya, the idea that coal could undergo auto-ignition just from the sun shining on it was something new for me. It was new because it's frankly impossible.

The full text of the original news report may be found here, and the follow-up story alleging auto-ignition due to sunlight can be accessed on this link.

As the firefighter commented, the sun can produce ground temperatures of up to say 160 degrees F, which is something I did know, having grown up in a pretty warm part of Australia. However, 160 F is nowhere near hot enough to make coal auto-ignite. (Auto-ignition means that a substance starts burning without the application of an external source of ignition such as a flame or spark, but purely from the heat in its surroundings.) Semi-anthracite coal will auto-ignite at 752 F, charcoal at 660 F. So even if it's charcoal dust we're about 500 deg. F. below the required temperature.

Here's an engineering website that shows a table listing auto-ignition temperatures for several substances.

A few other points that indicate the experts' story is not acceptable:

The scene was attended and secured by firefighters. One would think that they would recognize burning coal? It has an unmistakable aroma, and in addition, it gives off gases, some of which are hazardous. The report stated

Tests by hazmat team members show there are no dangerous gases.

I also know from my own experience with our coal-burning stove in the cottage that coal produces smoke. Are we to believe that this coal dust is burning away, but no smoke is being produced? And no toxic gases either? I mean, the report indicates the coal dust is on the surface of the ground, not buried way beneath it:

"What the state representatives indicated to us is that the coal spoil that's been on top of the ground for years and years reacts with the sun, heat of the sun and it spontaneously combusts.”

So it's been sitting there for "years and years", but the Fire Battalion Chief says:

"In my twenty-four years I haven't witnessed this kind of occurrence. So it's unique.”

Really, not even in high summer? Which it isn't there right now? Not once in nearly a quarter of a century?

One other point on this matter: if the sun was hot enough to make coal auto-ignite, then it was also hot enough to make dry wood do the same. This is reported to be a park area (and a look on google earth confirms that there is park area of that name in that region)...And in parks, there are often benches and other wooden articles like fence posts and signs, and also dead wood from trees. Research has shown that wood can auto-ignite at temperatures of around 250 Celsius (482 F). Reference: an abstract from the Journal of Fire Protection Engineering.

So how come the local dead wood and benches etc have not also spontaneously ignited? Well it's lucky for the locals they didn't, hey? Especially as the locals would be literally done to a turn if the sun were beating down with a temperature of well over 600 degrees F. I mean, you cook a roast at less than that!

In summary, the statement that this coal dust, lying on the surface for years, spontaneously ignited due to the action of sunlight alone, is absurd.

However, a look at the map below might give a clue:



(This image has been reproduced from the Colorado Geological Survey website and is used under fair-use conditions for informational and educational purposes. The complete page including this image may be accessed here.)

The park in question is due north from the Thirty-Nine Mile Volcanic Field. It is not, as far as I can determine, over it. However, with seismic activity being the semi-mystery that it is, I do not think we can rule out some kind of volcanic cause for this 800-degree region of land; there is a volcanic field in the general vicinity and this makes it more likely than if there were none. It could also be that a coal seam below the area has ignited -- for such cases have been known before -- and that could cause the rise in ground temperature. However in that case one would expect that hazmat experts would detect evidence of burning coal. They say they haven't detected any dangerous gases and burning coal produces dangerous gases.

Soooo....I think we're not getting the whole story...

Mike

Edited to fix some glitches so all the links will work, and to add a few more lil' comments.


[edit on 8-6-2008 by JustMike]

reply to post by charking

Hello Charlotte,

I agree with you 100% about the need to protect ourselves from the sun's effects. It is a fact that on a clear day, in many parts of the world, the no-shade temperature can easily get above 130-140 F and that is dangerously hot and can eventually cause melanomas. And yes, it also can cause eye damage, something I can attest to from personal experience. (Had to drive early one morning in an Australian summer and had no sunglasses. Sun full in my face, so I drove mostly with my right eye closed. Now my left eye has deteriorated quite a bit.)

The report of the sun causing coal to catch fire is something I dealt with in my previous post. I feel we're being sold a dummy on that story and I'd suspect volcanic effects may be the actual cause. As you know the "powers that be" are reticent (to say the least) about giving us full disclosure on matters of seismic activity. The "disappearing quakes" in Wyoming are out latest evidence of that...So this 800-degree area of ground could be another case in the same vein.

Mike

reply to post by observe50

Yes, coal dust (or just coal) being lit from beneath makes sense...

I also agree with you that the Yellowstone system of seismic activity may have "tentacles" reaching quite far.

The quake in Greece came as quite a surprise. I usually pick up on that area quite well but this time -- nothing...

Hi Mike,

Glad your back..... missed you. I believe on the whole most people don't pay attention to this stuff so they know they can say whatever and usually get away with it.... and they are usually right.

I wonder if there is stuff happening at Yellowstone and they just aren't posting it, what is everyones thoughts on this?

reply to post by observe50

Yes, it's true that the MSM gets away with a lot...Most people really don't pay much attention.

About Yellowstone...If you take a look at the real-time helicorder data then you can get a fair idea of (relatively) how active things are there from day to day. As to how much they tell us officially, it's hard to say...

reply to post by kattraxx

A magnitude 3.8 very close to you Kat... I think you're right not to put those pictures back up on the walls yet... Hope you are managing okay...

Reno swarm, Just had a 3.8

Just had a good tremor-- enough to freak out the dogs, a long rumble, not a sideways jolt, like before. Followed quickly by another smaller one, that I was expecting, as that's the way this swarm has been behaving. Dogs are both clingy now; one was eating grass about an hour ago and the older one is under a sage bush now.

Still feeling the Reno precursor, which as far as I'm concerned, it not a good sign.

I have been looking around for anything unusual at Yellowstone and like nothing can I find?

This just doesn't add up to me.

reply to post by JustMike


Hey, JustMike-- just read your amazing post on the Colorado story. Good work, thanks for all that information.

Like I said, I just can't bring myself to buy the story they're feeding the local media. I don't see how a pile of coat dust could sit around in or near a park for so many years and no one knew about it? Wouldn't the kids have gotten into it before, coming home with black coal dust on their clothing, etc.? You'd think somehow it would've become obvious and something done about it. There are pretty strict protocols for dealing with coal dust; it's not simply ignored until some kid gets his shoes burned off. I'm beginning to doubt there is coal dust there at all, frankly. One way or the other, the parents, hopefully, will be curious enough to find out the truth, and maybe we'll hear about it through them.

reply to post by observe50


Observe, I have seen a few news blurbs on the internet about EQ's at Yellowstone disappear within minutes.

The USGS is a bureaucracy like any other, subject to the same mindset as the others-- basically, there are political influences and economic influences, and other considerations that will take precedence over the truth. Of this, I have no doubt, personally.

reply to post by kattraxx

Glad to hear from you...Was a bit worried...Mainly for the effects that latest jolt would have on your animals, frankly. I mean, I knew it was not big enough to be dangerous but the animals don't know that stuff Not surprised at the way they are reacting...

The coal dust: yes, I was wondering about it for much the same reasons. It's also a fact that coal dust is a health hazard if inhaled for any longer period of time and I doubt kids playing in a park would be wearing the breathing filters that miners wear. The story is very suspicious and I don't think this will turn out to be an isolated event. (Hot ground in strange places, that is.) Makes me wonder what excuse they'll invent next time.

And great solution they have. Just dump a few feet of soil on top and all is cool. (Not!) Yep, bury it and people will forget about it. So they hope...

Doesn't that sound kind of familiar in the way of "official" solutions?

By the way I see there's been a mag 5.1 in China, but quite a ways west from where they have mostly been lately. A good 12 degrees west in fact. This is a completely different region and that does not portend well. Hard to calculate the exact distance offhand but 12 degrees at that latitude would have to be over 400 miles I would think.