An Experiment in Alternative Methods of Earthquake Prediction

By the way, for anyone who gets these feelings quite strongly and they become a problem, one remedy that I use is to eat corn. Yes, just corn. Popcorn, kernels, whatever.

That would totally explain my popcorn cravings! I've been eating at least 1 bag (small 100 calorie bags) of popcorn everyday or more. I was just making a bag of said popcorn & only now made the connection while wondering what it was I had read recently about popcorn/corn. Ha! It took a couple of hours after reading it to sink in.

I'm not generally sensitive to "forces" and such as everybody has been describing here but I will say that I was having enormous feelings of impending doom leading up to the quake. Since the quake however things are different but still strange. I keep getting weird tremors through my arms that I can't pinpoint the origination of, sometimes when I've been standing up, I feel like a force(Gravity-ish) is pulling me to the East???? Edit: Come to think of it, it feels like I can feel the rotation of the earth sometimes while I am standing. I really do not know what to make of it. Like I said, I don't usually feel these types of things, prior to the quake the other day is the only time I can ever remember feeling anything like that at all actually. Does anybody have any ideas about this? What this could mean?

Also: I've tried meditating on this, but my mind is very jumpy right now and I fear I lack mental discipline for this to be effective currently.

My ears started ringing about 5 minutes ago, I have been dropping things, I couldn't sleep between 3 and 5 this morning, and I have had a vague nausea off and on since 3 but have been able to eat some. I have a strong feeling more than two shoes are going to drop after Japan's quake. Even my dog barked at nothing a few minutes ago.

I wonder what they would say about the snakes. They did a story in China a couple of years ago about gauging the snakes' behavior. They beat themselves against their glass cages trying to get away before an eq.

In some amateur footage in Japan on another thread, a guy's dog was barking like crazy while he was filming an aftershock. The ocean was coming up under that area. I would take my cue from my pet if I were him.

Well my poor little dog is shaking like mad, like she does before we get a local quake. Some may have seen the video I posted of her.

She is shaking like mad right now, maybe the worst I have seen her....don't feel good about it.

My dogs shake AFTER the earthquakes we have been having.
They give no warning beforehand.

I have started to post here 4 or 5 times today so far, and I keep stopping myself. The last time I felt like this, it really, really scared the poop out of me.

But everything from the other day is back. Dog going crazy, the kids and me getting the ear ringing. And I had that same exact dream last night, the one I was having Before the Japan quake. The dream is really bothering me after I spent a few hours today looking for reports of land geysers erupting in Japan and found none. This dream has the ground shooting up what looks to be 30-50 ft maybe. The dust that shoots in the air is more sandy in color, with some red in it that reminded me of clay.

I feel like I am chained down today..look at ATS, look at MSM, play legos with kids, repeat.

But I can't delete this again.

The feeling is as strong as it was the other night, my hands are shaking, and I feel so dizzy right now. Please be wrong, please!!

There have been a lot of posts lately and there are several that I'd like to answer, but rather than making a whole bunch of posts I'll just put them all in one.

reply to post by tmar11
Thank you very much for posting. I noted that you've posted on Robin's Arkansas thread. The sort of feelings you've described have been shared by many, it seems. Considering what's been happening there lately it's not surprising than people who are sensitive to such things are having a pretty bad time of it. By all means communicate with others there (use the U2U function if you wish). Sometimes the best thing is being able to share how you feel with others who know exactly where you're coming from.

Please also keep us informed if you have any specific feelings or impressions.

reply to this post by winotka
and also this one

Hello winotka,
well you were right: besides a few small quakes in Arkansas in what's now become the usual location, there was one in west Texas today was well -- on what we're coming to think of as the "triangle" that frames the New Madrid. So it looks like you're sensing them pretty well. Yes, I know that like most of us you'd rather not be able to, but as you can then at least you have somewhere to report what's coming in.

Isn't it interesting about the snakes? You know in China some years back there was a time in the dead of winter when the snakes came out of their holes where they'd beeen sleeping and they all froze to death on the snow as they tried to get away from where they were. A few hours later a huge quake hit.

It's possible that they feel the vibrations in the ground, or they might sense the geomagnetic changes or hear the low-frequency sounds. But snakes can be an indicator.

reply to post by zenius
and also this one
Thanks for the note about Muzzy's research. It's weird you know, but I was actually researching lunar perigee/apogee cycles in relation to mag 8-plus quakes on Thursday (the 10th). I found some correlations but will be glad for more data.

I know what you mean about the nausea. The episode I had before the Christchurch quake was very bad... Haven't felt that sick in years. Beats me why that one had such an effect when the bigger one in Japan didn't. Still had that feeling of dread and thoughts of "where will it be?", but it wasn't the same nausea feelings.

If you can stomach any food, try eating some corn. Oatmeal (eg Quaker's oats) is another good one and could be helpful.

reply to post by westcoast

Whenever your "big quake" dog gets that way I think we need to take notice. Your dogs seem to be very tuned in...

Don't like the sound of that headache you're suffering.

reply to post by onthelookout

...especially as now it seems you had (and have??) the same -- and so has Zenius!

reply to post by space cadet

...and SpaceCadet! You too?
This is very worrying...

Where you say

I feel that these symptoms are pointing to another quake, another location most likely. I will give it 48 hrs and see.

do you mean a location away from Japan? I'm guessing that you do...

reply to post by onthelookout

Sorry... I almost missed this! Yes, the corn helps.
An old lady once told me that when we crave something (besides chocolate!) then it usually means our body has a need for something that is in it. It sounds like good sense to me.

Best regards (to all!),

Mike

reply to post by premierepastimes

I think there are still many things between earth and sky that are yet to be fathomed, and certainly in terms of our own senses and abilities, there is much to be learned.

Or should I say -- relearned. It's my belief that we all have abilities, but in our "modern" world, where "proof" and science are seen as the order of the day, the more esoteric side of our nature is often pushed into the background. But there are many examples of what we can do, and some of them are even in this thread.

How do I sense what I do? I can't explain it and I don't see why being able to explain or not makes it any less valid. I only know that it's very real and the proof is in the results. True, sometimes I'm wrong and I admit that freely. Sometimes any of us will be wrong. But when there is an almost group awareness ahead of time, then that is very hard to ignore. Because it's real.

The sense of dread that you felt is equally real. It's very priemeval and literally so, and it's likely that in the past, those who sensed this most strongly and were able to react to it, had a better chance of surviving whatever that sensation portended.

And as it aided in their survival, it gave them a better chance of living long enough to have children, and then to protect their children so they would also reach maturity.

And of course, we are all the descendants of such people. That indefinable sense is within us. It's never gone away, it's just been pushed down. But when science itself declares that it's impossible to predict earthquakes just from "feelings", and at the same time we have proof even here on this forum that some can do just that and are doing it, then maybe it's best if we listen more to what this sense is trying to tell us. Like yours is doing with you.

End of speech..

Best regards,

Mike

reply to post by premierepastimes

I feel like a force(Gravity-ish) is pulling me to the East

I feel an intense pressure or force pushing me too, except it's down from above. Like something is trying to force me into the earth. I don't know why, but I just got this image of a pendulum swinging. You swinging to the East & me still and straight down. Where are you located?

reply to post by onthelookout


Oregon coast, it's really weird you said that about the pendulum swinging.

reply to post by JustMike


Thank you 1 million times! It's so nice to get good information from somebody who isn't trying to sell me an idea or concept.

reply to post by onthelookout


WHOA! Just realized you were in Seattle. That's really strange. Maybe we should keep a close eye on:Western Rainier Seismic Zone and the Mt. St. Helens Seismic Zone.

Would be nice if people double check their links they leave on their threads because half of them on this thread DO NOT WORK so I have to dismiss their arguements !!!

reply to post by bluemirage5

Considering this is a 117 page thread, it would help if you could point which links are you talking about.

Hi and hello to all.
I am so glad to have found this thread. I was afraid I was going to have to create a thread to find out about others if search failed me. I must say thank you to Puterman who posted a link to here on the Arkansas EQ thread.

First off, I am a perfectly healthy 30 y.o., as my physical and blood work showed just last week. (Visit was not related to anything to do with this post.)

I am going to relate nearly in its entirety what happened to me recently. Sorry it's long, but I promise it won't be a wall of text.

Wednesday night, I went to bed with the completely random thought popping into my mind saying over and over, “It's coming, It's coming.” And my entire body was vibrating and with pin prick tingles all over.

Thursday night, I went out jogging. I'd felt anxious all day, but couldn't decipher why. About 15 minutes into it, the center of my chest began burning intensely. Very pinpoint sharp. I thought, dang I shouldn't have had coffee before running. I remembered that I had coffee before running on Monday and it had no effect. I kept trying to clear the sensation by HUHing very loud. I slowed my already crawling pace and realized, it wasn't the coffee or my heart. It just was. At forty minutes into it, I felt like I was one of a multitude of people running. It felt as though I was surrounded by people running. My adrenaline picked up. I let go of the feeling and finished my run.

Now, I am going to break to add that I have had sensations of things before, like the 2004 tsunami and the year before that the earthquake in Iran. You can read about it on this thread if you like. The reason I mention this here is that I can tell when a sensation is from my body or from outside influences.

Back to Thursday. After the jog, I had to do some cooking. As I was doing it, I felt more and more nauseous. I kept telling my husband “I feel sick.” He would ask what it was, but I could pinpoint anything other than feeling ill. And the burning came back in my chest. He was worried but I told him that it wasn't me. (We've been through this before, so he knows my lingo) I repeated over and over. I feel sick. Gee, I feel worse. Gah, I don't feel good, etc”

When we laid down to sleep, I had the most intense heart palpitations I have ever felt in my life. It felt like my chest was going to shake apart. The feeling would stop for a few seconds and start back up. Now at this point I knew something was going on, but I didn't know what. I told hubby what was happening and he was worried my exercise was killing me. I told him it was OK, and to listen to my heart which sounded steady as a drum. Then I told him, palpitations probably mean an earthquake.

We went to sleep, but it was restless for me. We woke up to the Japan quake. My husband checked the timing and says it was spot on.

Well, to continue the story (as if it wasn't enough), the next day I would surge with that “sick” feeling. At different times I would either vibrate or have tremors. At one point I went from a warm feeling to an OMG I am on fire sensation. That evening (Sat.) after closing up at work, I began to feel disconnected and like my consciousness was blowing (like the wind) out the back of my own head. This was a completely new feeling. There was also serious ringing in my ears. I kept a log the rest of the evening as to my sensations. The burning tight center came back. It kept pulsing and moving from mid abdomen to throat to center chest. It also had a weird stirring spiraling feel to it. And hyperventilation. (I didn't actually hyperventilate, it just feels like I am. Odd, no?) I told my mother in law and all we could think was volcano. She checked the times later and it was when the first reactor blew. Although now that I think about it didn't a volcano erupt in Japan, too?

Now today, I have had off and on pulse headaches. That sick feeling, and a lot of ear ringing (and the heartbeat in ears). More than ever before. As I write this I have a sharp needle pain behind my ears. Particularly my right one. I felt really ill until about 9:45 ish tonight. Now I feel tight and vibratey (if that's not a word it is now) with some serious ear ringing. And my heart is tightening. (I promise I am healthy)

Geez louise, I have written a novel. I am sorry for that, but I really needed to get this out. My gut says, poop is still to hit the fan in the major scheme of things, but I really hope my gut is wrong. It's not like it isn't bad enough, and if you disagree with that statement, you aren't paying attention.

May peace and love and light and truth shine through you

reply to post by amarenell


Thank you for adding your experiences, it helps us all to correlate it. It seeme (to me) that many of experienced the same sensations just prior to the big quake and now continue to experience the same things.

I am not surprised that several of us congregating here to this thread right now are in the same geographical location. Without even knowing it. I think those living anywhere on the west coast might want to check my washington state thread. Starting on the 19th page I address what I think (physically) might be going on here right now. I am afraid that we are either sensing another large quake from Japan, or our own mega thrust quake here. (link is in my sig)

BAck of the head, left side, stabbing headache, and uncoltrollable sleepiness. Typically for me, the sleepiness indicates something in the USA, usually southern and close to my location.

reply to post by westcoast


Thank you for your geniune concern, I appreciate that and you should continue to point out that which could be symptoms of serious illness that needs attention. That being said, perhaps I should have mentioned that I injured my shoulder and the ribs under my arm last month, took a nasty fall at home ( well, it wasn't all me, I think Jim Beam pushed me!)

No broken bones and it was very sore for a couple of weeks. But the pain had left and I though that was that, but as I feel what I can only describe as pressure building inside me, that pressure seemed to put pressure on the injured area, causing pain, I also didn't mention the extreme shrill ear ringing, I always have ear ringing or air rushing sounds, but it was almost unbearable. Do any of you feel like you are vibrating inside or really jumpy tonight? I swear I have been like Charlie Sheen for the last 24 hrs, nervous, can't sit still, I feel like I have drank 10 cups of coffee, but I have only drank water today, no caffeine at all.

reply to post by bluemirage5

This thread has been running since May 14, 2008, and having "lurked" and followed the thread for two weeks from its inception, I made my first post here on May 28 of that year and have contributed regularly since. (This will be my 342nd post in this thread.) I'm only telling you all this to assure you that at the time they were posted, all links were working. We're very fussy about things like that and if at the time of posting a link wasn't working we'd inform the poster so it could be fixed.

However, we're looking at almost three years since the earliest posts, and in that time, websites change or even disappear and also, links to some sites just "drop off". Many of the links to USGS and other authorities' quake data are in the latter category. Except for major seismic events, they drop off the "current" quake list after seven days.

So, if there is something you want confirmed but the link is dead, please post the details (like do it as a "reply" to the relevant post) and I or another of us can dig up the info you need. All of the quake data is archived by sites like USGS and its associates, like the NEIC and also places like EMSC (especially for Europe). It might take some digging but we can find the data if that's what you're looking for.

Just let us know what you want in relation to links that are no longer working and we'll do our best to get the info for you.

Best regards,

Mike

reply to post by premierepastimes

Thanks for that! Nope, I don't try selling anything, I just give my perspective as it is at the time.

As you know, even in rigorous scientific studies of various observed phenomena, they rarely speak of "proof"; rather, they assess their findings according to the probabilities of the given event/s under study occurring by chance. All we're trying to do here at this still-very-early stage of this experiment is gather some data and observations and see how they fit in with what is known, and in cases of actual predicitions, the longer term project will be to collate the results and evaluate them on the basis of probabilities. Simply put, we're looking for evidence of people's abilities to predict seismic events (by whatever method), so that this evidence can then be reviewed. If some methods show results significantly outside what could be expected by chance, then it's worth following up on them further.

So that's the practical aspect of this thread. The human aspect is equally important. It gives people a place to share their experiences and (if they wish) even make predictions of what they feel may occur, in an environment that is by and large very supportive. We welcome all sensible input -- and all sensible people!

Best regards,

Mike