Conspiracy Against The U.S, From Within (corruption of a Nation)

I think the assassination of congressman Leo Ryan says a lot about the Jonestown Massacre. That was a huge cover up that maybe no one will ever know the real truth about. Sad.

The only way to put a real dent in NWO is to boycott Walmart.

I laughed when I read this, but after reading more I agreed with what you had to say. The biggest problem is that lower-income familes can not afford to shop other places for american made goods. I wish I had the money to boycott walmart, but the sad fact is, that i can go to walmart and get a pair of shoes and pants for 30 $ that would have cost me 50 $ elsewhere. ALot of lower income families have the same problem, we just can not afford to go anywhere else.

Usually, the spreading of info starts with flyers, brochures, pamphlets, etc.

Sizzle I think this board is helping to spread the truth. If we were to start printing up flyers and posting them, it could cause alot of targets to be made on us. The government does not want the truth known. They like the population to be as sheep and do what we are told.

Sizzle, there isn't really much that can be done at this point.

I hate to say it but jetxnet makes a point there is no peaceful way to resolve all that is wrong. The best thing were could hope for is a economic collasp, and a major take over of the government. I believe that is the only way to change things. Since the lies and deception are buried so deep. The saddest point is there is not much just a few of us can do. Unless there is a mass awakening there is no hope for things to change. The best thing we can do is keep expressing our own ideas, and facts that support the thruth in hope that more and more will come to relize the obviousness of the truth.

Dont get me wrong but there are some great ideas for change in this thread. I am just trying to relistic. The control we are under is strong. if enough people wake up and the truth comes out for all to see. Maybe we have a chance. But the the truth out there is going to be difficult.

Our problems will never go away until we get rid of currency.

Cut off the head of the Federal Reserve system and another will pop up.

Get rid of the politicians in DC and more corrupt officials will replace them.

Break up monopolies like Standard Oil and watch them slowly remerge.

There will always be a war over something of value. And humans are genetically predisposed to try and hoard everything they can to survive potential shortages.

Nothing will end this unless we get rid of money. We dont need it. Create a world envisioned by Gene Roddenberry where everyone does any job theyre best suited at. And everyone has anything they could ever want. The world would be better for it.

No more violating mother earth because its cheaper. The majority of crime would go away and the prisons that have resulted from them. No more suppressing advanced technologies because they could lose control of a market or simply arent profitable (there's no profit in the cure)

I laugh when i read or hear calls for another revolution in this country. It didnt work in 1776. We actually lost that war fought over having our own debt-free currency. It would never work. In the end Greed always wins.

Will we eliminate crime because we create more laws and build more prisons ? It hasnt worked so far but human beings are pretty stupid. We continue to enact more laws and build more prisons. If you look at the root cause of most crimes, it comes down to money (or a lack of it).

Humans are even sometimes aware of the atrocities we committ in the name of money but its okay. Look at what Madeline Albright said about the 500,000 dead iraqi children..."it was worth it" was her statement. Oil and control of profits was worth the murdering of a half million innocent kids. Nobody in this country blinked and eye when she made that statement.

get rid of money

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EDIT: I wish to invite those of you who will, to insert any knowledge that you might have, on this subject.

My thoughts on UFO's

I believe they are real. I saw a saucer in the sky when I was young 8 or 9. None of my family believed me. The real question is, are they little green men or something the government is testing? I personally believe they are out of this world. I find stuff like the terra papers unrealistic though. Why are they here? I believe they are here to watch our world crumble. Sightings have increased over the years, and are becoming more and more predominant. Could they be studying our race to document our ultimate destruction? Most of our world leaders have nothing to say on the matter. But after tons of research I believe we are being watched. It is not very likely that out of the whole universe we are the only planet with life. Even some NASA astronauts have spoke about the matter. And to see some of the videos that have been release it make you wonder how much more video has been destroyed or locked away from the majority of the public. There is something more beyond this planet that I am sure of. But I do not think that aliens are here to do us harm. The certainly have the technology, but I think we as a people have done the job already.

Hey Sizzle, how about some additional references to your Constitutional quote from Article 2, Section 4 (which determines the punishments for committing offenses against the People & the Constitution)?
The Constitution says in Article 4, Section 4:

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

So then why does the government go on so hot-n-heavy about our "democracy" & the "spread of democracy?" Wow! Another conspiracy to defraud the Constitution!

So why do they say that the Constitution is an "outdated, outmoded & archaic" piece of paper? Shouldn't "men (& women) of honor & character" pay more attention to Article 2, Section 1, Clauses 8 & 9 (for the President)...

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

...and Article 6, Clause 3 (for all other State & Federal Officers)?

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

...After all, don't these Oaths/Affirmations commit them to a legally-binding contract to obey the Constitution...And isn't the very nature of the Constitution act as the Supreme Law of the Land? Doesn't this mean that, by condoning & supporting a democracy, they've violated the terms of their legally-binding obligations?
What's that? Another "conspiracy," you say? D@mn straight!

As for all of those so-called "laws" such as the Admirality codes & the UCC codes that they've used on Citizens (unwittingly & unknowingly, no less), from the signing of the Birth Certificate & obtaining of Social Security Cards onward throughout our lifetime constitute uncountable violations of Amendment 13?

1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Wow! Yet another conspiracy!

And yet, if the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land, then all of these other "laws" exist at a level below that of the Constitution...And since the very existence of these laws were legislated (or adopted from the laws & codes of foreign nations) in direct contradiction to the Constitution itself, does this not automatically invalidate these "laws & codes?" You betcha it does! In addition, it adds even more charges of violating their legally-binding Oaths to the Constitution as a contract!

Originally posted by 4thefight
Ha the FCC is a joke.

Actually, it's closer to being another conspiracy...As the government has become more of a "corporate entity" than an actual government, you must also consider how nearly all mainstream media has become nothing more than a PR Shill on the government's behalf. You can find out more details at Freepress. In short, as long as "the news" coincides with the government's propaganda program, the media corps are allowed to continue existing...But when Citizens try to exercise Rights under the Constitution, the government tries to slap us down & use the Courts to hide their own crimes.

In short, these are more examples of conspiracies that build deceptions on top of lies on top of deceptions on top of lies (ad nauseum) which have no more strength than a house of cards when exposed to the Truth.

Originally posted by picrat
WHERE DID WE GO WRONG.

We went wrong when we stopped being vigilant & started to take everything the government told us at face value & without question. The Constitution cannot stand alone...As much as the People are the employers, the Constitution is the Contract of Employment & the Government are the employees, it's up to "the boss" to enforce his own "terms of employment." Or, as said by Thomas Jefferson, "The People...are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."

Originally posted by darkelf
I truly believe that the death of Kennedy was the death of our freedoms.

From my understanding of history, I believe the death of our freedoms began when the government gave "Citizenship Status" to corporations...And our abject slavery to those very corporations became officially documented with the signing of the Federal Reserve Act. The murder of JFK was merely an act to preserve the "Status Quo" that he opposed.

Originally posted by sizzle
Skyfloating has an excellent thread on 'The Laws of Attraction.' They are based on the laws of the universe and they work, no matter what your belief background is.

In truth, the Declaration of Independence & the Constitution were written under the auspice of the "Natural Laws as set forth by the Creator." As such, these documents duly recognize those Natural Laws & set forth the parameters for government to function by those Laws. Therefore when a government undermines & disobeys those Laws,all of humanity suffers the penalties of violating those Laws.

Originally posted by yahn goodey
they would sooner commit genocide against their own rather than take a chance on losing their government pensions ?

So, don't you think that the Patriot Act (& the subsequent Victory Act along with other "supportive" legislation) added with the refusal to secure our borders against (civilian) invasion of foreigners (as stated in Article 4, Section 4 quoted above) doesn't constitute a formal declaration of war on Citizens of the States United? Then you add the fact that Bush approves of torture, that's the same as "slow" genocide.

Nothing will end this unless we get rid of money. We dont need it. Create a world envisioned by Gene Roddenberry where everyone does any job theyre best suited at. And everyone has anything they could ever want. The world would be better for it.

What about the people who dont want to work. And how would we have everything we want? Sounds alot like a communist idea, which I think is a good idea i just dont understand how it would work.

Originally posted by 4thefight



[I laughed when I read this, but after reading more I agreed with what you had to say. The biggest problem is that lower-income familes can not afford to shop other places for american made goods. I wish I had the money to boycott walmart, but the sad fact is, that i can go to walmart and get a pair of shoes and pants for 30 $ that would have cost me 50 $ elsewhere. ALot of lower income families have the same problem, we just can not afford to go anywhere else.] Hey 4tf here's some info for you to help you stay out of walmart. I don't know if you've ever heard of this store as they don't waste money on advertising to help keep thier prices down, they count on word of mouth advertising. It's Steve & Barry's we have about 19 of them in Illinois, i chaecked there are about 23 in Texas. It's a good store & they have quality clothing at great prices. True they sell clothing made in China, india, madagascar, etc, but i believe they may have some from usa & canada. Either way it's a way to stay out of walmart, which is a major reason america has lost so many jobs. I believe thier prices are also way cheaper than walmart's, good clothes too, i've been going there for three years now ever since i heard about them. I love to shop there, i always come out with so much, and can buy for the whole family, give you a couple examples of what they carry. They carry lines from Sarah Jessica Parker (bitten), NBA's Stephen Marbury who wanted american families to be able to afford quality clothing, Venus Williams, Amanda Bynes, PGA golfer Bubba Watson, as well as carrying thier own Steve & Barry's own line and NBA"S Big Ben Wallace"s line is coming in October. All of this clothing is $8.98 or less they also carry shoes, coats, accessories, everything is $8.98 or less. They carry clothing for adults & children so you can buy for the whole family. Check it out, if you like the store spread the word. It may not be able to totally get you out of walmart, but the less you shop there the better and i think you'll get much better clothes for way less money. Just think you can get jeans, shirt,and shoes for less than the $30. you spend at walmart for jeans and shoes. Google Steve&Barry's they have a store locator so you can see if there's one near you. Hope this info helps keep you out of Wallyworld.

reply to post by chise61

Some of the money that we give them is in the form of "loans" See a grant they wouldn't have to pay back, but there are stipulations that come with a grant, like we oversee what they do with the money for weapons, and the israeli's don't want us looking over thier shoulders at what they do with the money that we gave them, so what do we do? We give them the money in the form of a loan that has to be paid back, but has no stipulations, and then my friends we WAIVE THE LOAN ! So they have now been given a grant without any stipulations, because we call it a "loan" so as not to raise any eyebrows.

I really appreciate the information that you have given here. I have friends that owe business and school loans. Or their children owe these loans. And let me tell you, this government of ours, will burn the woods and sift the ashes, looking for you; until you have repaid every last cent of it!
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Originally posted by jameswillard
I have friends that owe business and school loans. Or their children owe these loans. And let me tell you, this government of ours, will burn the woods and sift the ashes, looking for you; until you have repaid every last cent of it!

That's because they signed "loan contracts" with an authorized government agency that authorizes the bank to issue the loan...Thus, by entering into contract with the Feds, they will require repayment of such loans.

In short, those friends of yours put that particular noose over their own necks...

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Not saying they didn't, my friend. But my comparison is that any other country in the world has leniency except ours. That is my point.

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I couldn't agree with you more. That is what angers and frustrates me the most, other countries get loans that they don't have to pay back, out of our tax dollars! We have no say so in the matter, but yet we pay interest on this money as well, yet we do not receive the same privilage. It's our money!!! This is why they get away with it, because most people don't know what's going on, spread the word! If enough people know what our gov is really doing with our money, when we can't afford to eat right maybe they'll stop sitting by silently. We as a people need to make a roar so loud in this country that they will have no choice but to listen !

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It's Bush 41, Bush 43 can't remember where he was for 72 hrs during JFK Jr. crash rescue search. Neither could Karen Hughes for 3 days account for her GOP front runner in '98, "I don't have a clue where "W" is". Bush 43 was only candidate in both parties NOT to make a public statement after hearing news of JFK JR. Death. Gore took weekend campaign break to honor Kennedy family's loss.


www.jfkmurdersolved.com...

Originally posted by jameswillard
But my comparison is that any other country in the world has leniency except ours. That is my point.

The main problem with this as a comparison is that most Americans don't seem to realize that there is a recourse & remedy for everything the government does...It's just that the government have gotten very practiced in the Art of Non-disclosure. There's a few posts about how much the government (& the corporation) don't disclose everything about a contract before they get you to sign them..s.I've posted a few tips in particular in another thread on page 13. I might suggest looking over the website I linked (near the bottom) on that thread page because I only scratched the surface.

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some where in this post there was a concern about the use of mind control altering drugs being tried on the people -how many times have the governments of both Canada and the usa.used their own citizens as guinea pigs, by flying over and letting loss chemicals to see the cause and effect.here in Canada it`s 2 that they admit to their words to us were no one got hurt ,how about the troops that served in Viet Nam and their exposure to agent orange it took the us government how long to admit that it was hazardous to ones health-i forgot you go to war for them and to bad, your as much a guinea pig as the enemy i believe they call it acceptable losses.aka( population control)there used to be a rumor concerning an incident that took place in Viet Nam three hours at MAI LIE -supposedly the troops were feed something 2 table spoons each -their orders were kill-all living things were killed that day from men,women,children and all forms of beasts.it might be nice if someone down there can do some digging on this one.

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4thefight i found and read your story posted by sizzle as i`m not a writer i never posted there very enjoyable and true as i`ve been through it and back too-motorcycle accident thats enough on that one ,you stated that the hippies were into drugs -a lot were and a lot of us weren`t we just enjoyed the music .it was not that we scared the man because they knew that if we organized and pulled together they were finished you see we did the unthinkable we said NO to them they had never had anyone stand up to them before and they weren`t ready for it.4tfight rock &roll was all about what was going on in the world and and all that we knew was wrong with what was going on ,it wasn`t the music that scared them it was the words.Hendrix asked us are you experienced -at what back then -answer no as we were still learning and not ready to take the power back for the people-(power to the people).(are you ready) no we wernt.(the generals have gathered in their masses just like witches at black masses death and destruction to all of mankind with out the afore thought of their #in minds)what fool is going to nuke the world and destroy it.(help i need somebody not just any body)we were asking for help from above.(in times of trouble mother Mary come to us and whisper words of wisdom let it be let it be let it be) OUR PRAISE TO THE HIGH AS WE WERE TOLD TO DO.and so on .There is an incredible message hidden in the words of rock & roll ,that incredible thunder of our drums and the light shows and lighting of ours and it never harmed anything did it ,have you caught the inflection yet or the hints yet -you see even our churches turned against us back then as they stood hand in hand with the military and the police and government and called us -long haired drugged crazed hippie killing satanist freaks on the steps of the U.S. SENATE THEN THEY ALL TURNED THEIR BACKS ON US AND WALKED INTO THE BUILDING WITHOUT A SECOND THOUGHT. even our own parents swallowed their line of crap. we all got judged as members of the MANSON family by those so called leaders.it would take many passages of type to get you to understand the full implications behind the words of r&r as these paragraphs in brackets are just a small sampling of the hidden message-we taught them fear and they think its over ha ha ha !we have yet to begin to fight as we now have our children and their children and between us we own 80% of the vote world wide in any nation all we need to do is unite and begin to fight-this last fact can be checked out through the censes records.if there is a battle let it begin here as words of truth can not be called a lie as only the liars thieves and crooks are pollititions the children of R&r were not like them .

Most of you know that I am friend and neighbor of Sizzle's. She is a little under the weather. She has asked us to carry on with the thread until she returns.

She has okayed for me to relay that she has a condition called fibromyalgia. Some of you are familiar with this illness. I think that it is in keeping with this topic. One of those government created illnesses. It just came out of nowhere, with no rhyme nor reason.
Anyone want to contribute anything on that?

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Sizzle asked me to reply to this. She lost a family member, who served in Viet Nam to Agent Orange and Malaria. She was not against the ones who had to serve. She just hated that they had to serve.

This would be a subject of interest and considered a conspiracy. The Ok City Bombing. Here is some interesting info. Glean from it, what you will.

To this day, the federal government won't release the dozen security cameras surrounding the Alfred P. Murrah building which caught the attack on tape. In fact, they never even used them to prosecute McVeigh. They likely showed something going on which didn't jive with their pre-planned version of events.

You should read "The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror" by David Hoffman. The entire book is available online here. It's painstakingly well documented. About a year ago I had read that just like after 9/11, the Oklahoma City bombing debris was sprited away and no forensic study was ever done on it. It was buried in the sand with concrete slabs on it at Wackenhut Security, 1215 Soverign Row Oklahoma.

I had done a satellite search of Oklahoma City on Google at the time to see if I could zoom in on Wackenhut's compound and I was able to find it, however stragely it would not let me zoom in too far. The camera was censored. I also tried to zoom in on "Site R", the admitted underground military installation just south of Kennebunkport Maine where Dick Cheney was allegedly flown during the 9/11 attacks but again, it wouldn't let me zoom in on that location either. Any other locations in North America I could think of, it would let me see. Just not those 2 locations. It even let me zoom in on the famed Area 51 which our government denies the existence of to this day. Now though, when I search for Wackenhut security on Google's satellite map, it will show their other locations in the New England Area but their location in Oklahoma City won't show up, unless they've since moved.

newworldslaughter.blogspot.com...

Another excerpt that I wanted to share in hopes of getting your attention to some more facts on this page. The O.K. City bombing definitely was one of the life changing events in America for a lot of people.

The bomb, which the expert describes as an "energy transfer device," combines "a fuel-air explosive with an enhanced energy transfer phenomena developed at Hercules." The result is "an over- driven detonation that delivers more energy from the chemical constituents in the explosive. It is a very specialized type of explosion."

Why is this important? Because witnesses on the scene of the Oklahoma City bombing heard at least 2 explosions and seismographic readings picked that up as well.

Here is the doozie though, and the topic of this thread. Read about McVeigh's relationship with his court appointed psychologist Dr. Louis Jolyn West, the same doctor who was involved with the CIA's documented mind control experiments of the late 50s and early 60s called MK ULTRA. The scope of the project was outlined in a memorandum dated January 1952 that ominously asked: "Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature such as self preservation?" The race was on to create a programmable assassin! The information on this page regarding McVeigh and Dr. West is painstakingly well documented. Research the footnotes. McVeigh, a retired military veteran had even complained to close friends that he was implanted with a microchip before he left the army and that it hurt to sit on it.

newworldslaughter.blogspot.com...

Does anyone have a problem with the information in that above post? Does it promote a warm fuzzy feeling for our government?
Does it make you aware of the lengths they will go to, to make a point?