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Originally posted by kaspermartyrphantom
All that really matters is that they are spraying silver iodide into our air. It doesn't matter HOW they are doing it. Who give a rats if it's a contrail or a chemtrail bla bla bla. Fact is, THEY ARE SPRAYING SILVER IODIDE INTO OUR AIR.
FAA OFFICIAL CONFIRMS AIR FORCE TANKERS CONDUCTING WEATHER MODIFICATION OVER U.S. AND CANADA
PORTLAND, Maine...A senior air traffic control manager responsible for commercial aircraft over the northeastern United States has confirmed in a second exclusive interview with radio reporter S.T. Brendt that large formations of U.S. Air Force tanker aircraft are conducting ongoing operations over the USA and Canada.
The sky-obscuring chemicals laid down in criss-cross patterns by the big jets have been observed by thousands of eyewitnesses across North America over the past two years. When asked the purpose of these missions, the FAA official said he was told "weather modification" after a "higher civil authority" ordered him to divert incoming trans-Atlantic airliners around military formations flying over 37,000 feet on March 12, 20 and 21, 2001.
On Monday, March 12, reporter Brendt and her partner Lou Aubuchont counted 30 aircraft laying down a lingering gridwork of plumes between 12:05 and 12:55 pm. Aubuchont, who witnessed many military maneuvers during his stint as a courier in U.S. Navy Intelligence, said he had never seen anything like it.
"It looked like an invasion," he told this reporter. Aubuchont emphasized that unlike aerial battle exercises, the tankers were unescorted by combat helicopters or fighter jets. "It was just tankers."
After being contacted at a major metropolitan airport by Brendt, the ATC manager drove to her home on Monday, March 26 to see for himself how many commercial jets would be visible from her location. The FAA official counted just three jets "off in the distance" between 12:05 and 12:55 pm.
Of the nine jets on his radar scope during that same time period on March 12, the official told Brendt she should have been able to see only one from her location. Instead, she and Aubuchont counted 30. And the flights continued all day.
Speaking on condition of strict anonymity in a secure location, the chain-smoking government source noted that the chemicals sprayed by the air force tankers on March 12 showed up as a "haze" on Air Traffic Control radar scopes. The weather at the time of the incident was unlimited ceiling and visibility, in a cloudless blue sky.
WASHINGTON -- The military command responsible for the defense of North American airspace scrambled fighter jets in response to unverified reports of an airborne condensation trail, or contrail, moving from the vicinity of the Turks and Caicos Islands in the Caribbean to the United States, defense officials said Thursday.
DENVER (NBC NEWS)- They look like chalk marks across a giant blue blackboard, a criscross pattern of white vapor in the skies. Some call them chemtrails short for chemical trails.
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Scott Stevens says "I had viewers and readers writing me that something was not right," said Scott Stevens, a former TV meteorologist from Idaho.
He now lives in Fort Collins, and studying contrails has become his passion.
"I put cameras outside of my house in Idaho, and it was about four months after doing that, that I found one particular sortie of flights in the sky where the planes would leave a trail and what was curious was that other planes would come along and hit precisely over the debris or what was left over of the previous trail remnants," Stevens said.
Originally posted by OzWeatherman
reply to post by cutbothways
Seen them a few times. Nothing in there that challenges my meteorological background.
Still wating for someone to take me up on the debate offer
No good. I'm asking for a clip from a movie that shows the natural sky "Ferris Buellers day off", "Term of endearment", "Glory" etc. with contrails visible.
Originally posted by OzWeatherman
reply to post by cutbothways
I was refering to a proper debate, judged by the moderators
You said earlier that contrails cant form unless the temperature is -50F, which is completely wrong. I asked for a soure for this and you have so far ignored it. I dont want youtbe videos as evidence, they arent reliable enough. I want a scientific explanation as to why contrails are not water vapour, I have explained why they are on numerous occasions and still have not once had any chemtrailers debunk that
Contrails are human-induced clouds that only form at very high altitudes (usually above 8 km - about 26,000 ft) where the air is extremely cold (less than -40°C). Because of this contrails form not when an airplane is taking off or landing, but while it is at cruise altitude.
Answer: -45 ºC = -49 ºF
If you fly at 30,000 feet (approx 9,153 metres) the air pressure
outside will be around 225 hPa (depending on the weather).
Originally posted by cutbothways
So, in the Appleman chart, the lower the pressure, the less likely the chem..I mean, contrail should form.
If you fly at 30,000 feet (approx 9,153 metres) the air pressure
outside will be around 225 hPa (depending on the weather).
(the higher you go, the lower the pressure)
sci.tech-archive.net...
So, according to the Appleman chart, contrail formation is exceedingly rare, and actually, the lower you fly, the more common they should be. So planes coming in for a landing, would be the most susceptible for leaving a contrail.
SO, the argument that contrail form all the time, is against all the scientific evidence.
[edit on 7-5-2008 by cutbothways]
So this sket T diagram shows that persistent contrail development is extremely likely, although wouldnt be visble from the ground due to the thick lower level cloud layers that are also apparent on the trace
10000 ft 3048.0 m convert to 696.817 mb/hPa
15000 ft 4572.0 m convert to 571.820 mb/hPa
20000 ft 6096.0 m convert to 465.633 mb/hPa
25000 ft 7620.0 m convert to 376.009 mb/hPa
30000 ft 9144.0 m convert to 300.896 mb/hPa
35000 ft 10668 m convert to 238.423 mb/hPa
Originally posted by cutbothways
reply to post by OzWeatherman
So this sket T diagram shows that persistent contrail development is extremely likely, although wouldnt be visble from the ground due to the thick lower level cloud layers that are also apparent on the trace
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but persistent contrails on a CLEAR day, is nearly impossible, because supersaturation (high humidity) is required.
10000 ft 3048.0 m convert to 696.817 mb/hPa
15000 ft 4572.0 m convert to 571.820 mb/hPa
20000 ft 6096.0 m convert to 465.633 mb/hPa
25000 ft 7620.0 m convert to 376.009 mb/hPa
30000 ft 9144.0 m convert to 300.896 mb/hPa
35000 ft 10668 m convert to 238.423 mb/hPa
www.sensorsone.co.uk...
I would like to see your data, not some unreadable chart. Where are the labels on that ridiculous chart. Was it made by a 3rd grade science class?
Originally posted by neformore
Originally posted by kaspermartyrphantom
All that really matters is that they are spraying silver iodide into our air. It doesn't matter HOW they are doing it. Who give a rats if it's a contrail or a chemtrail bla bla bla. Fact is, THEY ARE SPRAYING SILVER IODIDE INTO OUR AIR.
Did you read this thread at all?
Cloud seeding isn't the same as "chemtrails"
[edit on 7/0508/08 by neformore]
Originally posted by kaspermartyrphantom
Ozweatherman is here to debunk chemtrails like always. Has he stopped to think that maybe his education was designed to lead him astray? I mean, he went to school right? How do we know he wasnt taught disinformation and is spreading it to us all? How do we know his credentials or who's agenda he is following? How does he know if what he learned and is re-hashing to us is the absolute 100% truth?
neformore: mod or not, dont come in here asking whether I read the thread or not. I'm not some teletubby pekachu believing nutjob. I'm here to discredit those people.
I'm here to inform, and i'm here to learn.
Asking me a question like "did you even read the thread?" is uncalled for. If I didnt read the thread, why would I bother to post here? No disrespect (assuming you deserve no disrespect) but I feel disrespected by that post.
Persistent contrails can form on clear days if there is a trigger to produce cloud. And by trigger I mean airplanes pumping water vapour into the sky, where they cling to ice particles already present, increasing the size therefore becoming visble as cirrus (contrails)
Contrails are clouds formed when water vapor condenses and freezes around small particles (aerosols) that exist in aircraft exhaust. Some of that water vapor comes from the air around the plane; and, some is added by the exhaust of the aircraft.
The exhaust of an aircraft contains both gas (vapor) and solid particles. Both of these are important in the formation of contrails. Some elements of the exhaust gasses are not involved in contrail formation but do constitute air pollution. Emissions include carbon dioxide, water vapor, nitrogen oxides (NOx), carbon monoxide, hydrocarbons such as methane, sulfates (SOx), and soot and metal particles.
Persistent (non-spreading) contrails look like long white lines that remain visible after the airplane has disappeared. This shows that the air where the airplane is flying is quite humid, and there is a large amount of water vapor available to form a contrail. Persistent contrails can be further divided into two classes: those that spread and those that don't. Persistent contrails look like long, narrow white pencil-lines across the sky.
At usual airline cruise altitudes of 9,144 to 11,877 m (30,000-39,000 ft),
the ambient air has little humidity.
Note: Although not restricted, the cargo compartments on our Airbus A319, A320, and A321 aircraft are not heated and temperatures can be as low as two degrees Celsius, so it is not recommended to transport animals on these aircraft during the winter season.